Just let it roll well see who leaves then perez get the f!!!!!!! Out
Free speech no PC for all
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I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.
Voltaire
The only way to change people's minds and to effect real and positive change is through dialogue. Censoring speech and creating lists of acceptable words is a very dangerous game.
Voltaire
The only way to change people's minds and to effect real and positive change is through dialogue. Censoring speech and creating lists of acceptable words is a very dangerous game.
Originally Posted by Scout66:
“I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.
Voltaire
The only way to change people's minds and to effect real and positive change is through dialogue. Censoring speech and creating lists of acceptable words is a very dangerous game.”
“I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.
Voltaire
The only way to change people's minds and to effect real and positive change is through dialogue. Censoring speech and creating lists of acceptable words is a very dangerous game.”
Your right we never get to see or understand peoples views if we're all denied free speech
Originally Posted by Aqua_Mark:
“Your right we never get to see or understand peoples views if we're all denied free speech”
“Your right we never get to see or understand peoples views if we're all denied free speech”
Nope. If we are going to label people based on them uttering a single word and insist it defines their entire world view. Nobody is ever going to make any progress at all.
Originally Posted by Scarlet O'Hara:
“I think free speech is a misnomer. There's always a price.”
“I think free speech is a misnomer. There's always a price.”
Yep
You just cant get away from her
Originally Posted by aggielane:
“You cant change something if you cant talk about it”
“You cant change something if you cant talk about it”
I think you'll find that's the whole idea. Censor valid criticism and the problem mysteriously doesn't exist.
Originally Posted by aggielane:
“You cant change something if you cant talk about it”
“You cant change something if you cant talk about it”
It's like telling people what to eat it will never work
It won't happen, unfortunately because Nanny has turned us into a bunch of softies who cannot handle it. Inciting hate is where the line should be drawn and in a perfect world we would not name call, but that is what people do, always have done.
Channel 5 are hypocrites, they warn over the use of a word that could offend, but it only offends if they broadcast it. They can sanction a housemate without broadcasting it..
I can forgive when it comes to Perez, he bullied and baited that man, and was allowed to do it, and I bet my gay friends would call Perez worse names. That said Perez isn't like this because he is gay, it is because he is an obnoxious, attention seeking piece of dog excrement.
I apologise to any dogs I have offended.
Channel 5 are hypocrites, they warn over the use of a word that could offend, but it only offends if they broadcast it. They can sanction a housemate without broadcasting it..
I can forgive when it comes to Perez, he bullied and baited that man, and was allowed to do it, and I bet my gay friends would call Perez worse names. That said Perez isn't like this because he is gay, it is because he is an obnoxious, attention seeking piece of dog excrement.
I apologise to any dogs I have offended.
Originally Posted by paralax:
“It won't happen, unfortunately because Nanny has turned us into a bunch of softies who cannot handle it. Inciting hate is where the line should be drawn and in a perfect world we would not name call, but that is what people do, always have done.
Channel 5 are hypocrites, they warn over the use of a word that could offend, but it only offends if they broadcast it. They can sanction a housemate without broadcasting it..
I can forgive when it comes to Perez, he bullied and baited that man, and was allowed to do it, and I bet my gay friends would call Perez worse names. That said Perez isn't like this because he is gay, it is because he is an obnoxious, attention seeking piece of dog excrement.
I apologise to any dogs I have offended.”
“It won't happen, unfortunately because Nanny has turned us into a bunch of softies who cannot handle it. Inciting hate is where the line should be drawn and in a perfect world we would not name call, but that is what people do, always have done.
Channel 5 are hypocrites, they warn over the use of a word that could offend, but it only offends if they broadcast it. They can sanction a housemate without broadcasting it..
I can forgive when it comes to Perez, he bullied and baited that man, and was allowed to do it, and I bet my gay friends would call Perez worse names. That said Perez isn't like this because he is gay, it is because he is an obnoxious, attention seeking piece of dog excrement.
I apologise to any dogs I have offended.”
Well said. It's worth noting that the mother of Mathew Sheppard declined a donation from Mario. After the incident with Will.i.Am in Toronto where Perez called Will a F@# and Mario was punched. Mario of course played victim and won a cash settlement. GLADD asked for an apology, Mario refused and tried to donate the cash settlement. Mrs Sheppard wanted nothing to do with him.
Originally Posted by Aqua_Mark:
“Your right we never get to see or understand peoples views if we're all denied free speech”
“Your right we never get to see or understand peoples views if we're all denied free speech”
Would you like BB to give a platform to people to promote terrorism, bestiality, sex with children etc ? Or is it just things like sexism, homophobia and racism that you are wanting ?
Originally Posted by WeeJintyMcGinty:
“Would you like BB to give a platform to people to promote terrorism, bestiality, sex with children etc ? Or is it just things like sexism, homophobia and racism that you are wanting ?”
“Would you like BB to give a platform to people to promote terrorism, bestiality, sex with children etc ? Or is it just things like sexism, homophobia and racism that you are wanting ?”
Sexuality, Gender and Race are the equivalents to terrorism, bestiality and pedophilia. Nor do I think anyone is advocating giving a platform to promote sexism, homophobia or racism.
Originally Posted by Scout66:
“I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.
Voltaire
The only way to change people's minds and to effect real and positive change is through dialogue. Censoring speech and creating lists of acceptable words is a very dangerous game.”
“I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.
Voltaire
The only way to change people's minds and to effect real and positive change is through dialogue. Censoring speech and creating lists of acceptable words is a very dangerous game.”
This free speech debate is bunk. You're allowed to say anything you want as a matter of fact. However any TV company broadcasting it and paying you handsomely are allowed to withdraw that that platform. It's really that simple. If the TV company don't want to deal with the resultant complaints or advertisement pull back then that's their right.
You're allowed free speech and you also have a responsibility for it. But nobody has a responsibility to ensure YOUR vehicle or platform for that free speech except YOURSELF.
Instead of endlessly pontificating about your right to say something, maybe we should put more emphasis on your responsibility in saying something, otherwise we might as well support poppy burners simply because they exercise their right to be arseholes.
Originally Posted by Scout66:
“Sexuality, Gender and Race are the equivalents to terrorism, bestiality and pedophilia. Nor do I think anyone is advocating giving a platform to promote sexism, homophobia or racism.”
“Sexuality, Gender and Race are the equivalents to terrorism, bestiality and pedophilia. Nor do I think anyone is advocating giving a platform to promote sexism, homophobia or racism.”
The words 'free speech for all' are in the title of this thread, I was just trying to clarify if he really does want 'free speech for all'.
Originally Posted by WeeJintyMcGinty:
“The words 'free speech for all' are in the title of this thread, I was just trying to clarify if he really does want 'free speech for all'.”
“The words 'free speech for all' are in the title of this thread, I was just trying to clarify if he really does want 'free speech for all'.”
Ah I see. Gotcha. Yes free speech is a pretty complex thing. All too often some perceive as the right to only say good and righteous things or that nothing can ever be challenged. In some ways the right of rebuttal is more important.
Originally Posted by Scout66:
“I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.
Voltaire
The only way to change people's minds and to effect real and positive change is through dialogue. Censoring speech and creating lists of acceptable words is a very dangerous game.”
“I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.
Voltaire
The only way to change people's minds and to effect real and positive change is through dialogue. Censoring speech and creating lists of acceptable words is a very dangerous game.”
True, but those who enter BB are just a reflection of society and all this PC and lists of banned words seems to have had no effect . If anything its just made matter worse .
I don't remember so many getting warnings and been evicted in the early days of BB, now it seems every series someone will be warned or removed for using offensive words.
Originally Posted by paralax:
“It won't happen, unfortunately because Nanny has turned us into a bunch of softies who cannot handle it. Inciting hate is where the line should be drawn and in a perfect world we would not name call, but that is what people do, always have done.
Channel 5 are hypocrites, they warn over the use of a word that could offend, but it only offends if they broadcast it. They can sanction a housemate without broadcasting it..
I can forgive when it comes to Perez, he bullied and baited that man, and was allowed to do it, and I bet my gay friends would call Perez worse names. That said Perez isn't like this because he is gay, it is because he is an obnoxious, attention seeking piece of dog excrement.
I apologise to any dogs I have offended.”
“It won't happen, unfortunately because Nanny has turned us into a bunch of softies who cannot handle it. Inciting hate is where the line should be drawn and in a perfect world we would not name call, but that is what people do, always have done.
Channel 5 are hypocrites, they warn over the use of a word that could offend, but it only offends if they broadcast it. They can sanction a housemate without broadcasting it..
I can forgive when it comes to Perez, he bullied and baited that man, and was allowed to do it, and I bet my gay friends would call Perez worse names. That said Perez isn't like this because he is gay, it is because he is an obnoxious, attention seeking piece of dog excrement.
I apologise to any dogs I have offended.”
You sound such a charming person.
if anyone thinks that banning stuff actually stops people doing and saying terrible stuff then they should think again
id rather see my enemies in the spotlight rather than have them hidden away behind locked doors whilst they publicly smile and stroke puppies
id rather see my enemies in the spotlight rather than have them hidden away behind locked doors whilst they publicly smile and stroke puppies
Originally Posted by sheils1:
“You sound such a charming person.”
“You sound such a charming person.
”
i dont think the poster was trying to sound "charming"
Originally Posted by Scout66:
“The only way to change people's minds and to effect real and positive change is through dialogue. Censoring speech and creating lists of acceptable words is a very dangerous game.”
“The only way to change people's minds and to effect real and positive change is through dialogue. Censoring speech and creating lists of acceptable words is a very dangerous game.”
There are many ways to change hearts and minds. Real lived experience of minority groups is possibly the best which would include dialogue. Dialogue and acceptable language is a decent compromise.
If we don't call people out on unacceptable language, we allow negative labels to perpetuate through generations, and that is simply wrong.
I call my family out if they use outdated words. They don't like it, but what was acceptable to them is no longer acceptable, and that is right in view.
I'm not a fan of extreme Political correctness, but language has to change (and is whether people like it or not) over time.
So healthy dialogue and good use of language is a short way to sum it up for me.
Originally Posted by Scout66:
“I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it. -- Voltaire”
“I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it. -- Voltaire”
Did he really say that? That's a bit rich coming from someone who spent their whole life trying to kill Harry Potter. Talk about double standards.
Originally Posted by purplesky99:
“There are many ways to change hearts and minds. Real lived experience of minority groups is possibly the best which would include dialogue. Dialogue and acceptable language is a decent compromise.
If we don't call people out on unacceptable language, we allow negative labels to perpetuate through generations, and that is simply wrong.
I call my family out if they use outdated words. They don't like it, but what was acceptable to them is no longer acceptable, and that is right in view.
I'm not a fan of extreme Political correctness, but language has to change (and is whether people like it or not) over time.
So healthy dialogue and good use of language is a short way to sum it up for me.”
“There are many ways to change hearts and minds. Real lived experience of minority groups is possibly the best which would include dialogue. Dialogue and acceptable language is a decent compromise.
If we don't call people out on unacceptable language, we allow negative labels to perpetuate through generations, and that is simply wrong.
I call my family out if they use outdated words. They don't like it, but what was acceptable to them is no longer acceptable, and that is right in view.
I'm not a fan of extreme Political correctness, but language has to change (and is whether people like it or not) over time.
So healthy dialogue and good use of language is a short way to sum it up for me.”
I fully agree that free speech doesn't mean one is immune from being challenged or held accountable for their words. That's why I didn't like the word Alexander used and was pleased BB and Michelle pulled him up on it. What I object to is labeling him a homophobe based on that utterance. Yes I would like to see that word and many others disappear from the vernacular but banning and banishment doesn't seem to be the most effective way to accomplish this.
Is PC really a freedom of speech issue?
Political correctness is not replacing freedom of speech, well i hope not anyway, as i see it political correctness should prevent uncomfortable moments like the Ken & Alexandra (Negro) moment. It's a list of words for reference purposes for those trying to avoid offence, where none is intended.
Where your argument is implicitly offensive, then your still protected under the free speech rules.
Political correctness is not replacing freedom of speech, well i hope not anyway, as i see it political correctness should prevent uncomfortable moments like the Ken & Alexandra (Negro) moment. It's a list of words for reference purposes for those trying to avoid offence, where none is intended.
Where your argument is implicitly offensive, then your still protected under the free speech rules.
Originally Posted by Bacon&Eggs:
“Is PC really a freedom of speech issue?
Political correctness is not replacing freedom of speech, well i hope not anyway, as i see it political correctness should prevent uncomfortable moments like the Ken & Alexandra (Negro) moment. It's a list of words for those trying to avoid offence, where none is intended.
Where your argument is implicitly offensive, then your still protected under the free speech rules.”
“Is PC really a freedom of speech issue?
Political correctness is not replacing freedom of speech, well i hope not anyway, as i see it political correctness should prevent uncomfortable moments like the Ken & Alexandra (Negro) moment. It's a list of words for those trying to avoid offence, where none is intended.
Where your argument is implicitly offensive, then your still protected under the free speech rules.”
My problem is when it infringes on others rights - people should have a choice , granted , c5 are a tv channel and want as many viewers as possible so its up to them really what they want to show us or their pre programme warnings --- its like if i came to your home and started being abusive, offensive then you'd have the right to ask me to leave.
its when people come into my house and tell me what to do, then theres a problem - if any of that makes sense haha
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