What were you watching. She said she was going to clatter pans together over his head as he slept.

Over, not on. Meaning crashing them above his head to wake him up. Like a symbol monkey, think of it that way.

A pretty good and accurate summation of the situation as far as I can see it.

Now now! There's no need for name calling!

I'm only asking you to clarify what you said.

So to sum it up, you believe it's okay to be racist or homophobic - but only if you do it just the once.

Is that once an entire lifetime? Once a day? once a week?

Not at all. I'm saying that one comment doesn't make someone a racist or a homophobe no matter the time duration. Stop with the numbers and durations. You have nothing to come back on, so just keep repeating yourself. If someone was a homophobe they would dislike EVERY LGBT they come across, and show it. Alex is not a homophobe proven by this, as he got along very well with Kavana. Ken, is not a racist. The comment he made was part of a conversation including a personal joke, which the said person (race : black) found quite funny. If however, Ken had a problem with all people of a certain race or colour then perhaps you could brand him a racist. I hope I've spelt it out for you now. You learn something every day, don't you? ABC's and 123's all in one evening.

I obviously don't agree with what Alex said, but this is what Perez does! He pushes and pushes and pushes until someone makes a comment (whether it offensive or not) and then starts shouting, "He/she abused me!". He's a master at doing this. He did it with Patsy when he insinuated that she was being racist for no reason. And then when you look at his history... he comes across as a bully himself. The stuff that he has said to people have been disgusting in the outside world.

It's kind of the same as someone coming up to you, provoking you by slapping you and saying "hit me, come on you ****" repeatedly, on and on... and when the person reacts, going to the police and stating you have been attacked for no reason.

Exactly this.

It's annoying to see comments like "well, Perez calls people faggots". But that's wrong too.

Both are wrong - whether it's Alex or Perez saying it. Calling out one person doesn't mean you're defending another.

You can't be serious???? Who knew that 'joking' about throwing big ol 'negros' on the fire would be so hilarious? If was such a funny joke and not offensive in any way, why would Alexander need to correct him?

That's how I understood it, too. I was confused when he said "she's making threats of physical violence towards me!"

However, she didn't help herself either, because she didn't contradict Perez. She just said "yes I did!" gleefully.

Katie makes me laugh because all she does in the 'real world' is be rude to people and wind others up. If they tell her they find it offensive, she tells them she doesn't care. But when Perez does it in the CBB house, all of a sudden Katie starts defending "the big man" (despite slagging him off previously). She's such a hypocrite.

I agree. Ever heard of the expression Don't Poke The Bear? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiped..._poke_the_bear

That's exactly what Perez is doing. Going out of his way to provoke someone into a reaction and then playing the victim when he gets exactly what he was aiming for. He is a bully and a coward

The joke was about Frank Bruno, who at the time found it funny. It was a joke between him and Ken. What I am saying is, people are taking the word and not looking at the context. The first time he used it towards Alexander was wrong, I give you that of course. It was not a racist remark though, simply an old man who isn't up to date with modern day terminology,

'Stop with the numbers'

Why? Because it's making you look silly?

You're basically suggesting free passes for bigots.

...and I'm the loon?

Ending this conversation. You are overlooking the truth. I've said what I need to and once again you are repeating yourself. Keep rereading till some day you understand. You Will. Get. There.

Absolutely. Unfortunately Perez is clouding the attention to that.

Neither should win in my opinion, it would reflect badly on us.

Spot on Rufus. Whatever happened to "sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me"? Society is so namby pamby these days it's ridiculous. I don't agree with people being called names over their sexuality, colour, abilities, whatever.. but the ammount of outrage it sparks is ridiculous.

Given the fact that Alexander said faggot in the heat of the moment, he didn't have time to filter his words so his underlying homophobic tendencies was exposed. He may consciously play nice with people of various sexual orientations (playing nice with Kav) but his unconscious choice of the word faggot exposed his homophobia. Yes, the CONTEXT (arguing; heat of the moment unfiltered word selection) revealed his homophobia.

Perez use the word faggot in the past. I don't know if he still uses it. Maybe it is like black people using the N word.

Alexander threatened Perez, in a subtle fashion, with violence by implying Perez would be met with violence back home in America. I may be wrong about that but that is how it sounded to me (vague insinuation of violence).

the people condoning any sort of Homophobia, Racism or Violence for ANY reason but especially for someone being annoying.

some of the more extreme posts have been removed but here's sample to give you a flavour :





There are plenty more but I read them early this morning and cant be bothered to find them lol

free speech innit ? People think that free speech is an entitlement to say anything they like. Ones entitlement to free speech supersedes all requirement to show respect or restraint .

I completely concur- well put

...and your point is...?

The word is already chocked full with context but you continue to negate it's history and it's effect. With charged word such the N word and F words, context becomes insignificant regardless of whether it's offensive or not.

To your assertion that joking about threatening to throw a negro on fire isn't racist, if it comforts you that this isn't a racist incident then i won't further argue with this fallacy. As black woman, I wouldn't find a white person calling me a negro and threatening to throw me in a fire a joke, i doubt many self respecting black people would.


Please see Eurofoxi's quoted post.

This is why self hating has became such a contentious issue within the black community. Apparently Frank Bruno found this racist joke funny and now people are using this as some justification why the joke is appropriate. Self loathing black people and their viewpoints are harmful to black community especially those striving for real equality and respect from white society. People like Frank Bruno promote the degradation and racial humiliation of their own and help keep the unfair racial status quo in place.

I was not talking about the 'fire' incident. That was completely unacceptable to anyone, black or not.

So what was you talking about?

wow - perez has managed to find a way to insult people and yet always be the insulted.

Whether or not he is entertaining, personally I find him to be a maggot, he is slowly destroying any real interaction in the house and substituting it with some sort of insane soap opera that is obviously his roadmap for success.

What I find fascinating is that the rest of the house seem totally unable to prevent it, and indeed are destroying their credibility one by one.

It was a joke with Frank Bruno. It was a personal joke to which Frank allegedly found funny. What I am saying is, Ken didn't say it as a malicious slur or insult - It was part of his story. That doesn't make it ok by any means, but I think people branding him a racist is too much (based on this comment only, which was what I was replying to). I believe racism to be 'hating' a certain race. Ken didn't do this in the conversation that ultimately got him thrown out of the house.