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Nadia is not on the wrong horse.
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Penny Crayon
19-01-2015
Originally Posted by hoppyuppy:
“She is on the wrong farm.

Disregarding how awful Hopkins is, the idiot woman has put her eggs in the wrong basket.

She has been blinded by her hate for one person and has misjudged how this programme works. Bit odd, cos Nolan could have given her a few hints.”

Perhaps Nolan did give her a few hints. Colleen made the final and Julie Goodyear left to resounding boos
Rhumbatugger
19-01-2015
Originally Posted by Joni M:
“But the point is, NONE of them are able to shut Perez down unless Hopkins agrees it is the right way.

They've all had a go at him, especially Nadia, but Hopkins seems to be the one that wants to claim his banishment.”

Again with the Hopkins Joni, it's not about that, it's about why didn't Nadia support Alex?

Why is she setting herself up as universal protector, but mostly of Perez?

Does she really think Perez needs protecting (fool if she does, seriously)?

It's about why is she spending so much time with Perez that it's 'wearing her down'?

Because she's putting it as a priority, why is that?
patsylimerick
19-01-2015
Originally Posted by Joni M:
“Are you posting from your phone Patsy?
I do those spelling things due to arthritis and can't manage the effin' qwerty key board properly.

I have to agree.”

My putersbroken!!!! Am on the kids tablet. I cannot type properly on this bloody thing!
Aqua_Mark
19-01-2015
Originally Posted by hoppyuppy:
“She is on the wrong farm.

Disregarding how awful Hopkins is, the idiot woman has put her eggs in the wrong basket.

She has been blinded by her hate for one person and has misjudged how this programme works. Bit odd, cos Nolan could have given her a few hints.”

Here here well said
Paul237
19-01-2015
I'm not sure why everyone assumes all housemates want to win.

Don't they get their full fee if they get voted out?

It's not the same as the normal BB after all.
Rhumbatugger
19-01-2015
Originally Posted by Paul237:
“I'm not sure why everyone assumes all housemates want to win.

Don't they get their full fee if they get voted out?

It's not the same as the normal BB after all.”

I don't think they want to win. I DO think that they want to augment their reputations though, or AT LEAST not damage them.

Thus they have different 'games'. Perez the ultimate irritating celebrity monster will be monstrous, Nadia the 'warm and wise and caring' will try to do that etc.
Paul237
19-01-2015
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“I don't think they want to win. I DO think that they want to augment their reputations though, or AT LEAST not damage them.

Thus they have different 'games'. Perez the ultimate irritating celebrity monster will be monstrous, Nadia the 'warm and wise and caring' will try to do that etc.”

I don't think Nadia's career will be damaged at all by her actions in the house, yet lots of people who dislike her are implying otherwise.

She still strikes me as a nice person and I've always liked her as a presenter, too.
Joni M
19-01-2015
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“Again with the Hopkins Joni, it's not about that, it's about why didn't Nadia support Alex?

Why is she setting herself up as universal protector?

Does she really think Perez needs protecting (fool if she does, seriously)?

It's about why is she spending so much time with Perez that it's 'wearing her down'?

Because she's putting it as a priority, why is that?”

I'm not sure, but many people were saying there were massive chunks in the HL show, apparently a lot more went down and we weren't privvy to it.

I don't think she thinks Perez needs protecting, but that she is vindicating herself for not siding with the others who have completely ganged up on him (even though I can see why he irritates them).

In all fairness, I'd rather be with Perez in that house than Hopkins... I suppose Nadia is ME, we are so similar that, whilst I'm not excusing her, she is how I would be in that house. Irritating, annoying but honest and loyal.
ShadowTillNow
19-01-2015
I just said in another thread that I like Nadia but she's not gonna get nowhere backing Perez. He really is guilty of everything Hopkins says he is and Nadia is enabling him to continue. The problem is that Katie says everything in such a horrible way, but what's behind all that horror is pretty accurate, I think. In someways Nadia is right to defend her friend, but with that friend being Perez, she's gonna have a bad time. Poor Patsy's about ready to climb over the wall, too.
Rhumbatugger
19-01-2015
I'd hang around with the men and try not to lose my rag with the lot of them.

I am patient and understanding in my job, I couldn't be arsed with this motley crew.
Panda Eyes
19-01-2015
Originally Posted by Chit_Chat15:
“Yes, Perez is a tool, but guess what, he also makes her laugh! She obviously values that as a quality in someone and jesus she needs laughter in that house. And yes, if it pisses off Katie then I'm all for it too. At least Perez makes her laugh, on good days, he's just like an excited puppy and hey, maybe, just maybe, she needs a bit of that.”


That's how I see it too.
Aqua_Mark
19-01-2015
Originally Posted by hoppyuppy:
“She is on the wrong farm.

Disregarding how awful Hopkins is, the idiot woman has put her eggs in the wrong basket.

She has been blinded by her hate for one person and has misjudged how this programme works. Bit odd, cos Nolan could have given her a few hints.”

Originally Posted by Joni M:
“I'm not sure, but many people were saying there were massive chunks in the HL show, apparently a lot more went down and we weren't privvy to it.

I don't think she thinks Perez needs protecting, but that she is vindicating herself for not siding with the others who have completely ganged up on him (even though I can see why he irritates them).

In all fairness, I'd rather be with Perez in that house than Hopkins... I suppose Nadia is ME, we are so similar that, whilst I'm not excusing her, she is how I would be in that house. Irritating, annoying but honest and loyal.”

Look she hates Katie h she said on loose women she thinks by sticking to her guns she going to look alright that girls got it so wrong shame
conchie
19-01-2015
Originally Posted by Stan_B:
“I don't think she is either. She is not supporting Perez, she is just not one of Hopkin's sheep. Gang mentality is not a nice thing and she just does not want to be a part of that and ostracise Perez.

Simply talking to him is not the same as being in his corner.”

I agree totally with this. Watching Hopkins and Michelle almost demanding that Alicia think and behave the way they were instructing her to was jaw dropping. Imagine anyone daring to approach Hopkins and instruct her how to think about someone or behave to someone. They would be told in no uncertain terms to bugger off, but they were bullying her to think their way.
droogiefret
19-01-2015
Originally Posted by paralax:
“Perez is a bully and she supports his behaviour, but then look how she got up in Ken's face trying to provoke him. No reason why she could not have sat down with Katie and discussed her more controversial opinions, Katie is always prepared to explain herself, without cursing and shouting if people just have a conversation with her.

Nadia is a coward.”

I very much doubt Katie and Nadia could have that kind of conversation. At the moment Katie thinks she smells blood with Nadia - hence the calculated baiting.

Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“She CAN'T go back on it, far too obvious.

And her object isn't to be 'pro Perez' but 'pro underdog' and 'wonderful kind person'.

The problem she can't see is that she IS SUPPORTING Perez, who is extremely unpleasant to other housemates that she doesn't support, and it makes her look fake or stupid.”

That is a Katie Hopkins view that she has worked hard to get the house to accept as truth - either ostracise Perez or you are a Perez supporter - no middle ground.

And I saw Keith Chegwin take the easy social acceptance route. Nadia doesn't look fake or stupid to me. She is doing her very best to maintain her own judgement in the face of some awful social bullying. I find that quite inspiring to be honest - I don't know I could be that strong.

But I hate how Katie is finally getting under her skin with her repugnant baiting.



Originally Posted by patsylimerick:
“All i csn really say about Nadis is thst, in tgst situstion, refusibg to join in the ostrscisation of snyone - no matter how much of a gobshoite they are - is absolutely admirable. It's the very opposite of cowardly. I dont particularly warm to nadia and I can't stand perez, but katie h is possibly the most belligerent bully I ever witnessed on BB.”

Yes - and yes.

I've know idea whether I'd even like Nadia in real life (I've never seen Loose Women and have no reference outside this series). But she has defended her own self respect well. I do think the fishwife will out in the end though - Katie will not rest until that happens.

It's a political statement I think. Katie detests liberal left wing thinkers. Nadia represents that political standpoint so she detests Nadia and will do all she can to turn others against her.
Rhumbatugger
19-01-2015
Originally Posted by droogiefret:
“I very much doubt Katie and Nadia could have that kind of conversation. At the moment Katie thinks she smells blood with Nadia - hence the calculated baiting.



That is a Katie Hopkins view that she has worked hard to get the house to accept as truth - either ostracise Perez or you are a Perez supporter - no middle ground.

And I saw Keith Chegwin take the easy social acceptance route. Nadia doesn't look fake or stupid to me. She is doing her very best to maintain her own judgement in the face of some awful social bullying. I find that quite inspiring to be honest - I don't know I could be that strong.

But I hate how Katie is finally getting under her skin with her repugnant baiting.





Yes - and yes.

I've know idea whether I'd even like Nadia in real life (I've never seen Loose Women and have no reference outside this series). But she has defended her own self respect well. I do think the fishwife will out in the end though - Katie will not rest until that happens.

It's a political statement I think. Katie detests liberal left wing thinkers. Nadia represents that political standpoint so she detests Nadia and will do all she can to turn others against her.”

I think that's bollocks droogie - it's not a 'Hopkins' point of view.

Perez wound up and baited Alexander, and then Nadia voted for Alexander to leave as he was 'creating an atmosphere' and you think that this sort of support for Perez doesn't make Nadia look dubious, but it's what Hopkins wants people to think?

She does well enough on her own, without La Hopkins having anything to do with it.

And all that stuff about Nadia being a 'liberal left wing thinker' and that's why Hopkins hates her. I don't think so, it's probably personal and Nadia is at least EQUALLY guilty of hating Hopkins for her political views as well, anyway.
Vesna
19-01-2015
Originally Posted by Paul237:
“I don't think Nadia's career will be damaged at all by her actions in the house, yet lots of people who dislike her are implying otherwise.

She still strikes me as a nice person and I've always liked her as a presenter, too.”

I think it will damage her career. Especially if she's made a career crusading against the likes of Katie Hopkins. It's too hypocritical to support the equally or even more odious Perez. She's lost her credibility IMO.
droogiefret
19-01-2015
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“I think that's bollocks droogie - it's not a 'Hopkins' point of view.

Perez wound up and baited Alexander, and then Nadia voted for Alexander to leave as he was 'creating an atmosphere' and you think that this sort of support for Perez doesn't make Nadia look dubious, but it's what Hopkins wants people to think?

She does well enough on her own, without La Hopkins having anything to do with it.

And all that stuff about Nadia being a 'liberal left wing thinker' and that's why Hopkins hates her. I don't think so, it's probably personal and Nadia is at least EQUALLY guilty of hating Hopkins for her political views as well, anyway.”

Well it's what Katie said in the diary room - so I'll take her at her word on it.

Unfortunately I think we are heading for the fishwife slanging match Katie is baiting for. Then they will both look awful and we won't need to argue about who has disappointed and why.
hoppyuppy
19-01-2015
Originally Posted by droogiefret:
“Well it's what Katie said in the diary room - so I'll take her at her word on it.

Unfortunately I think we are heading for the fishwife slanging match Katie is baiting for. Then they will both look awful and we won't need to argue about who has disappointed and why.”

I would be happy to see them punch each others lights out. And take Perez with them
Rhumbatugger
19-01-2015
Originally Posted by droogiefret:
“Well it's what Katie said in the diary room - so I'll take her at her word on it.

Unfortunately I think we are heading for the fishwife slanging match Katie is baiting for. Then they will both look awful and we won't need to argue about who has disappointed and why.”

I didn't see the diary room thing.

KH can't disappoint me, she's bloody awful anyway, but in a straightforward rather ordinary sort of way, I think.

Nadia is disappointing. But if she 'fishwifes', it won't necessarily add to the disappointment. People lose their rag now and again, and the company is 'fishwife friendly' so to speak, and it might be the way to communicate.
droogiefret
19-01-2015
Originally Posted by hoppyuppy:
“I would be happy to see them punch each others lights out. And take Perez with them”

Now I have a vision of N and K spitting feathers at each other and Perez stepping in between as peacemaker.
Nosaer
19-01-2015
Nadia has been suppressing her true self and has adopted a role. The caring mother, the peacemaker. She alluded to this when put in the cage 'my work is never done', and Patsy referred to it in her nom. The problem is that this perfect persona is using up a lot of energy and won't last much longer before the fishwife emerges. Actually I can see the attraction to Perez who is fake to the core.
hoppyuppy
19-01-2015
Originally Posted by droogiefret:
“Now I have a vision of N and K spitting feathers at each other and Perez stepping in between as peacemaker. ”

Nadia is trotting down the road to see if she can join a different stable.

Probably not a bad idea.
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