There is a terrible atmosphere in the house and IMHO it comes not from Perez's wind up antics but from the aggression, malice and self righteous bullying from the bigger group in the house.

I think Nadia is doing a marvellous job as is Alicia. Perez seems to be on the end of a vile bullying campaign and whether he has annoyed people or not, there can be no justification for the coordinated hatred and harassment he's been receiving.

How would you deal with this onslaught if you were in the house with Nadia and Perez?

they need to get it stated in diary room that they feel bullied. Katie H is getting away with behaviour we usually see nipped in the bud quickly., but not ONE formal warning.

the bullying onslaught cannot be dealt with other then what they are doing already, absolute refusal to cower and isolate themselves.

let the aggressive attackers make their mocking statements and obvious threats , mabye BB will finally do something.

seriously. this show is getting ridiculous.

glad they removed I'm going to get up in your ass Threatener alexander

Well i don't think there is any bullying, people just don't like each other in there, it's as simple as that.

I think Cami Li and Katie H's treatment of Alicia is right up there or as close to bullying as you can get but Perez gives as good as he gets most of the time, although it isn't nice to watch when a group zones in on one person.

First, I think Perez is deliberately the cause. When there's someone who is totally self-absorbed, draining, and gives nobody any space or time at all, that is way too stressful, especially when being in the BB house is already stressful. The fact that BB are not really doing anything about him must also be adding to the stress, so it's turned into the pack sorting things out themselves, after having been able to rely on BB to remove Jeremy and Ken. Plus, Alex just left, due to Perez, which has angered them deeply.

I think until someone has had a 'Perez' person in their family/space, they can't know how stressful it is to get zero space at all. It does bring up aggression, and I think the housemates are doing very well considering.

Yes, Alicia seems to have got in the firing line, and Nadia a little (although she is encouraging Perez wrongly), but, only regarding Perez, I think isolating him first is best. That's what I would do ... tell someone straight, then walk away. That gives the person time to reflect. Unfortunately if, like Perez, the person has no self reflection skills or interest in changing/being reasonable, that's when things amp up. In the real world, they're out. In BB, it must be hell.

I think you might be right Bbcrzy. The only other option would be to argue with them and that would be horrible with nasty people like Katie and Cami in there. They are so vile and repugnant but what makes it worse is that they feel entirely justified in polarising the house and making it their objective to destroy people.

SegaGamer there most definitely us bullying going on. If that was in real life you couldn't pretend everything was hunky dory.

I agree that Cami and KH have crossed a line, although I'm surprised to find myself agreeing with Katie at other times. It's interesting that Perez wanted all the attention, and now has it, albeit in the negative form. He wanted to wind everyone up and make things miserable, and that's backfired on him ... karma, and the sooner everyone gets things out of their systems and steps away, the better. I don't think he wants to change or has the capacity to be self-reflective at this stage, so I don't see things going well. If BB stepped in with some support to everyone else, that would surely calm down the fighting, but BB like the fighting unfortunately.

I'm not sure they need to 'do' anything about the bullying

Bullies should be shown, unedited, in all their awful glory

Like Hopkins tonight, in that shameful episode in the bedroom ... I really wouldn't want BB to have stepped in and consequently saved her from showing herself up for the spiteful, nasty, provocative bully she is

Sometimes the way to 'handle' bullies is to give them enough rope ....

Throw Katie Hopkins out for constant bullying/goading towards Alicia,Perez and Nadia would deal with it effectively.

Usually I'd agree with that but a lot of people have been blinded to Katie H because of Perez. They're in the thinking that she can do and say ANYTHING to him and those who talk to him because that's how he/they deserves to be treated.

I would sit the butthurt Michelle down and tell her to call off her attack dogs.

She clearly went into that house with a grudge against Perez.

All because he ignored her when he 'blew up' / got famous!

Now she wants everybody to ignore HIM?

What a manipulative hypocrite that woman is!

She doesn't fool me one bit.

Think of it this way, If you were in school and being bullied what would you do, you have 3 options, tell the headmaster, tell your parents or fight them at there own game. BB Is not going to listen as it makes good tv, cannot tell parents for obvious reasons, so fight them at there own game. Take them down a peg or two, fight back then they s@@t themselves.

OMG it's Big Brother. Have you forgotten the whole premise of the "show"? You put people in a confined environment and we all watch to see how they manage. THAT'S THE POINT OF IT. Production should only step in when someone is in real physical danger.

Yeah I know, I'm living in the past.

Probably somewhat similar to what Nadia and Alicia have done, i would hold steadfast and constant to what i thought and my views on things without allowing their behavior to define me. Sort of the Rachel Rice philosophy if you will.

Not define me in, i wouldn't try to isolate them because they tried to isolate someone, etc.

I think they have got to Nadia a bit more than they would get to me but it depends, i can put up with and tolerate a lot of things and my patience runs deep but there are a few things that really get my passion going and which i'm prepared to fight for and so if i was in the position of a Nadia where certain things were taking place, i might find myself being emotional and passionate about it and prepared to be outspoken or standing up in certain situations, etc.

Basically, i'd be similar to Rachel in how she handled Rex and the others but i wouldn't just sit back if things reached a point where i felt strong enough about and would fight and stand up for what i believed in like if i felt someone was being ganged up on by the group or isolated by the group for example.

Oh come on. None of us know how we would behave in such an environment surrounded by people who are, more than likely, a damn sight more interesting, better-looking and funny than we are. Seriously. Stop imagining anything else!!

pass

I think you may be right

Michelle hunkered down, .. actually prostrate at the feet of a homophobic thug who explained that he has cousins who are gay ... Jesus Christ ! as if that's not enough right there ... and how he apologises to 'the gay community' but will never apologise to Perez ( the gay man he said had an "Ass faggot look on his face" )

Michelle nodded in approval

*bleurgh*

What a sham she is

I think we have a Super Duper Moral Guardian on the loose IT SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED, I TELLS YA!

Ummm. You don't know what i know about myself, or more about me then i know about myself and can only speak for yourself really.

I know fairly well how i would be because i believe strongly in a philosophy based on "the constant" theory or principle. Meaning those outside influences wouldn't have that much of a defining effect on me, only to the point when i allowed them to.

I've meditated and reflected deeply for years and years on this principle/theory, it's probably not the best path in presuming to tell others about themselves that you don't know much about, just saying.

Which bullies?

Seriously, there are many ways to be a bully, and we have the gamut in this house.

They're all guilty. Well, except maybe Cheggars, Calum, and Kav. Who are barely present.

Alicia has pulled the wool over your eyes it seems.

Shes nobody's victim....apart from being used by Perez perhaps.

Okaayyy..... So me saying that I thought Rachel was one of the most tedious and underserving BB winners of all time wouldn't wind you up a bit? I bet it would, even a little bit. By the way, I just checked out the 'constant theory' and see it's not just a Lost fiction. I think you should apply for BB. You'd be great, as long as you can take at least 50% of viewers taking the mortal piss out of you.

Not at all. I'm extremely accepting of variant perspectives and alternative views, and believe that each person is unique and that no two people are exactly the same which means that each perspective is also in the same way unique.

No two people have experienced the exact same journey, and that journey makes up a person's perspective which means the person and the perspective are unique. Understanding that eliminates the need for one's perspective to cannibalize another perspective because it's an understanding that an endless amount of perspectives can co-exist.

Mob Mentality, bullying, isolating someone these are some of the few things that would truly get me to a very passionate level to where i'm prepared to fight and stand up for what i believe in.

I'm not a robot and i'm sure some things would get to me a little bit, not being able to sleep because of snoring or certain views or actions i might disagree with on a certain level.... but i'm sure i would be an extremely boring HG, meditating by myself most of the time and not arguing, etc.

The most effective method appears to say nothing, smile at them and blow air kisses. It causes bullies to snap. Have you ever had someone really mad at you and yelling at you? Try smiling or laughing and it totally pushes them over the edge. I learned that long ago when someone did it to me and later when I was calm I realized it was brilliant. It wasn't a bully situation, for me, but I think it can be extrapolated to the bully situation as evidenced by Perez's smiling causing people to lose their cool.

that is a dangerous thing to do in real life, depending on situation. I took a few conflict workshops due to the Incredibly toxic workplace i was in. In it we learned that the worst thing you can do is ignore the person or blow them off. That usually escalates a situation .

alicia is actually doing the right thing, repeat back exactly what the person said and get them to confirm it. Then ask is that really what they mean. IF a person is irrational or a nut, they will usually stick by whatever they say.

either way, once a person feels they were 'heard' the situation usually fizzles out .

perez's ignoring the people, except for occ'l smiles or grimaces, is NOT giving the people what they want. I feel its a deliberate attemtp to play the game but in a less confrontational way.

for instance, arguing with alexander would have caused an attack, No doubt in my mind