Sounds like Ashleigh (Nadia) and Helen (Katie) all over again, except more people are open about supporting Hopkins.

I agree with this one as a reason.

It's not grovelling at all. I remember in last years civilian BB when Jale did the same and was accused of crawling up Helen's arse. Doing the sensible thing for the sake of peace and being the bigger person when you live in that environment isnt grovelling in my opinion.

And seen a few minutes later on the same show was Nadia and Perez bitching about Katie in the kitchen.

So much for her truce.

Nadia has said far more nasty things about Katie than the other way around, you'd do well to remember that.

So, your not going to give Katie any credit. What lasted about a minute?

Nadia was later seen bitching about Katie in the same episode, her truce was fake.

Shes just a coward, she doesn't want to confront Katie, just bitch about her to Patsy or Perez.

Jale didn't do it as a sensible thing for the sake of peace, or as the bigger person. She wanted to be in with Helen and her crew.

We may have to agree to disagree about that.

I didn't see it as grovelling - but I am now disappointed. Others have said how they have been disappointed in Nadia and I haven't been - but I am now.

She may well have shown herself to be the bigger woman - but she was anyway. Katie has acted unforgivably towards her so any act of contrition should have come from her side.

She said she'd seen a side to Katie that her preconceived ideas had prevented her seeing before. Really? Katie clearly has a softer, humorous side - there's no news there. That neither stops nor excuses the contemptible things she says and does.

And, the apology was not reciprocated - there was no admission from Katie that she had judged Nadia harshly - only an acceptance that she was happy for Nadia to turn over a new leaf.

It won't last - but the bully came out on top in this occasion. It was as if Nadia simply rolled over and offered her neck. Katie is likely just to see that as weakness.

But let's see - maybe she will be in the diary room extolling Nadia's virtues and her new best buddy.

Perez and Nadia have 'not engaged' with Katie H and avoided any confrontation at all. Katie H has tried to speak to them both, but they know she will absolutely wipe them out in any sort of argument or debate. They aren't rising above anything...they are desperately trying to avoid the confrontation at all costs.

The post you quoted is exactly how I see it as well. Katie H has been as accessible and out there to anyone she has spoken about or to as she could possibly be. She's not the one going and hiding in corners to avoid speaking to someone.

I think she was brilliant in the task and I thought where many of us, myself included, thought she might go off on one she did not. She dealt with it very well. I thought Nadia saw her way of 'safely' saying her peace and also that Katie was not turning into some sort of monster, as Perez did as King of the Fairies, so spoke up. Fair play to her for doing that...I honestly hope that brings her back to the group and gives her some distance from the destruction of Perez.

Personally I thought they both did well taking advantage of what turned out to be good opportunities for them both.

Maybe its Nadias own wee plan... I hope so to get Katie into a false sense of security.. but doubt it. cant stand Katie.

She wasn't groveling, she was leading by example of how to be a mature and decent human being. Something Katie's band of merry men could learn a lot from.

She's been attempting to guide Perez in that direction of not going down to a certain level like Alicia said about the coughing thing, and she was attempting to calm down the situation when Perez/Alicia started to get a bit heated talking about some of others as she appears to be trying for herself and Perez/Alicia to take the more mature position/higher road.

At least that's my interpretation of it, and i think she's done a fairly decent job all things considered... hopefully Perez listens to Nadia/Alicia because by association his antics don't just effect him at the moment since they've stood up for him and have been hanging around him against what Katie and the majority of the group were trying to do. Which isn't fair to Nadia/Alicia but unfortunately things aren't always fair... just one of the many reasons standing up at certain times can be so difficult.

I don't think it was grovelling but I think she had been told in no uncertain terms by BB how she was coming across outside and that her stance against Katie was a no win situation. I would rather it played out without outside interference but I have a feeling the whole thing was falling apart ( and perhaps a mass walkout threatened ).

Because she is scared Perez will go and she will be left on her own.

Someone who is scared of confronting someone who would always get the better of her you mean!

People are liking Nadia and going out of their way about it simply because she dislikes Hopkins. I've also noticed anybody associated with Hopkins are now being called 'witches' etc.

Let's face it whenever there is trouble in that house, you can guarantee Nadia isn't too far away sticking her oar in. I thought I'd like her in the house but instead it's the opposite. She's a complete hypocrite too!

Nadias nice enough but i dont want her to win!. No chance. She was probably trying to keep the peace

Nadia's choices are all out war, or attempt to resolve differences and get on with people as best you can. The latter is what I think she would do in the real world, and I think she made the right choice, albeit a difficult one - and part of me REALLY wants to see her let rip and tell KH exactly what she really thinks of her! (hopefully that will still happen at some point!).

No I don't mean that at all. You think as you wish - Nadia is a dignified, loved and respected professional in her field (unlike Hopkins) - she knows full well that she could wipe the floor with the ignorant, inarticulate Hopkins but it wouldn't look good. She is also aware that her children are watching. I admire her restraint and dignity.

Katie wipes out everyone who engages in a discussion by raising her voice to whatever level will drown them out, and keeping repeating herself ad nauseum until they give up in disgust. She most certainly would not otherwise wipe anyone out in a discussion, because she is incapable of justifying any of the nonsense which emanates from her empty head. She is a fool, and both Nadia and Perez are far more intellectually capable than she is. They don't even need to rise above anything - they're just choosing not to lower themselves to her level.

It has to be read to be believed. In a proper debating programme she is defeated by both panel and audience response to her nonsense. She's a poor tabloid hack.. Her ad homiem attacks and ignorant false sweeping statements are taken apart when she actually has to face people and discuss anything.

Why and when has she isolated herself. Are we watching the same show? She's friendly with them all apart from Hopkins.

That is hilarious. Hopkins cannot even better poor slow one brain cell Alicia, Alicia has calmly and succinctly wiped the floor with Hopkins on several occasions.

It was a very thinly veiled clutch at the moral high ground, nothing more. The dig about reading The Sun and her comments since pretty much confirm this.

My guess is that we'll hear this "attempted olive branch" brought up to cite Nadia's righteousness a few times before the end of the series.

Alicia totally has done that, i agree.

I think she was too cowardly to say to her face what she really thinks of Katie, she would rather do it behind her back, Nadia is so fake IMO I am so disappointed with her, I honestly thought she would have been my favourite to win, I liked her so much before she entered the house, now I really dont like her

I know, unbelievable.

I've yet to see her "get the better of" anyone, apart from her gang who shut up and follow her like sheep.

Will someone please quote examples of her superior skills, I'm stuck here?

Even Cheggars told her where to get off.

Is there another house somewhere?