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KT_Dog
20-01-2015
Originally Posted by Pete_Lashmar:
“I understand why some people believe it to be bullying, but I genuinely do not. The house has been so aggressive this year that apart from a couple you could say just about everyone is bullying, but I just see it as people trying to get one up on another/”

Sure. Horses for courses.
Bacon&Eggs
20-01-2015
Originally Posted by Pete_Lashmar:
“I understand why some people believe it to be bullying, but I genuinely do not. The house has been so aggressive this year that apart from a couple you could say just about everyone is bullying, but I just see it as people trying to get one up on another/”

You can't have it both ways it is or it aint... I think the fact that BB is a game is blurring your ability to see bullying for what it is.
muggins14
20-01-2015
Originally Posted by Sylvia:
“[b]

Perez did NOT bully anyone. OK, he was a bit loud and obnoxious at times but all he ever did was try to influence people to behave in certain ways.”

Basically the same as Katie H then
muggins14
20-01-2015
Originally Posted by Marie4eva:
“Yeah because all bullying gets reported right? Yeah right.

If there was no bullying then why would you mention Perez or Nadia? You would say there is no bullying rather than bring up two peoples names.

We are also talking about you suggesting backbiting is not bullying when it is.”

Backbiting - interesting term - presumably you mean talking about somebody who isn't in the room - like we are now for example Gossiping, 'bitching' (I hate that word) ... it's the cornerstone of this show we call Big Brother. It's the very foundation of the programme, there would be no show without it. Put a bunch of people together and they will gather in groups and talk about each other. People in schools do it, offices do it, families do it. We do it.

If the housemates didn't talk about each other we'd never know what they are thinking, who they like, don't like, what they find funny, annoying, irritating, aggravating. As I said, there'd be no show! All reality shows are like this - TOWIE, The Real Housewives, Four in a Bed, The Devil's Kitchen.
Pete_Lashmar
20-01-2015
Originally Posted by Bacon&Eggs:
“You can't have it both ways it is or it aint... I think the fact that BB is a game is blurring your ability to see bullying for what it is.”

I do not believe there is any bullying going on, I cannot possibly be clearer than that.

NO BULLYING IMO
BROXI BEAR
20-01-2015
Originally Posted by Pete_Lashmar:
“I do not believe there is any bullying going on, I cannot possibly be clearer than that.

NO BULLYING IMO”

I'm just interested - what would need to happen for you to class it as bullying?
bbcrzy
20-01-2015
Originally Posted by kelly_barnard:
“This whole show is based on bullying...Not good for Future CBB”

welcome to american style BB. they love Fighting and backstabbing there, its in almost all their tv shows. BB , AR , survivor. Being a really good liar and monster is rewarded.
EnricoIV
20-01-2015
Well, to go all dictionary on it, here's an excerpt from a schools guide about bullying:

"Bullying includes actions such as making threats, spreading rumors, attacking someone physically or verbally, and excluding someone from a group on purpose."

Yup. Bullying.
Purple.
20-01-2015
I found Helen worse.
d_ream1
20-01-2015
Originally Posted by kelly_barnard:
“This whole show is based on bullying...Not good for Future CBB”

Good. They are all silicon Munting mingers.
SegaGamer
20-01-2015
Originally Posted by EnricoIV:
“Well, to go all dictionary on it, here's an excerpt from a schools guide about bullying:

"Bullying includes actions such as making threats, spreading rumors, attacking someone physically or verbally, and excluding someone from a group on purpose."

Yup. Bullying.”

Everyone in the show has bullied someone at some point then.
Captain Kipper
20-01-2015
Originally Posted by Marie4eva:
“Agree with the others, What have you been watching?”

Perez harassing all the HM's to breaking point, and Nadia defending his actions to try and wind Katie up....with Alicia playing the victim to fool people into feeling sorry for her.
Veri
20-01-2015
Originally Posted by EnricoIV:
“Well, to go all dictionary on it, here's an excerpt from a schools guide about bullying:

"Bullying includes actions such as making threats, spreading rumors, attacking someone physically or verbally, and excluding someone from a group on purpose."

Yup. Bullying.”

Do you think that every time someone spreads a rumour, it's bullying?

That every time someone's excluded -- a disruptive child or even bully excluded from a school, for example -- that person's being bullied?

That every time someone criticises someone else ("attacking verbally"), it's bullying?
Veri
20-01-2015
Originally Posted by borintimebrenda:
“I think the way Katie h has victimised Perez could be characterised as bullying.”

Katie looking askance at someone across the room could be characterised as bullying, and probably will be before this CBB is over. (But not reasonably characterised.)
S_J1
20-01-2015
Originally Posted by Marie4eva:
“Why would Channel 5 deliberately draw attention to it? Maybe you need to open your eyes.

You did you said 'People talk behind people's backs, anyone who says they haven't is an arrogant liar - and talking about people is not bullying.'

Talking about people behind their backs is bullying. I seem to think you havent done your research like I suggested so your argument is flawed.”

Like Chloe said the Alicia she watched on Tv last night is always like that and what we have been seeing, she isn't like that all of the time, it's called good editing. Also Perez has pushed people mentally and emotionally to their limits, so is that bullying or abuse? or is it different because it's perez. Katie H gets slated for saying what she feels to their face, yet talking behind backs is bullying, mmmm, Nadia from day one, has told people what to feel, think, say, do, isn't that bullying? or do people only saying it's bullying when it's Katie H? and when others do stuff it isn't?
Alrightmate
20-01-2015
Why is it seen that BB is probably the only place in the UK that bullying doesn't exist?
If you reckon there's been a bit of bullying in the BB house you get threads full of people telling you how preposterous it is to even suggest it.

Why is it such an outlandish notion to suggest that bullying exists in BB?
It happens in just about every area of British society you can think of, yet BB is somehow an exception where it never happens?
Despite all the possible conditions you can think of which would be conducive to bullying having been laid on to make the prospect as likely as it is possible to be.

Racism? It has happened.
Homophobia? Quite probably.
Sexism? Perhaps at times.
Bullying?...Don't be ridiculous, are you an idiot or something?
YesNoMan
20-01-2015
I instinctively thought 'Nasty' would be a thread about Cami Li. Less in the bullying sense and more in the porn sense, or as in "cheap 'n' nasty."
calamity
20-01-2015
Originally Posted by Pete_Lashmar:
“Oh get a grip for heaven's sake, there's been no bullying.”

NO? oh well if thats normal behaviour Ive had a sheltered life..
vanora
20-01-2015
Originally Posted by Marie4eva:
“Yeah well if it would be mentioned. We will have another SHILPA moment. So Emma does her best to steer away from controversy.

http://bigbrother.channel5.com/day-1...annoying-abits

The above video will help you see how nasty people can be about someone who is dyslexic. Talking nasty about someone behind their back is bullying.”

So your saying you've never talk behind anybody back really I know I have
patricia50
20-01-2015
As someone who has been bullied I find the fact that so many people are so dismissive of the suggestion worrying. If you are being bullied its hard sometimes to get people to believe you and many people seem to think you cannot be bullied if you are an adult. you should just stand up for yourself. You can appear to try and stand up for yourself but when on your own be very badly affected by it. There IS bullying going on in the house and a lot of playground behaviour. When you consider the ages of the people in there it's unbelievable behaviour. There is a growing culture these days of telling people the honest truth regardless of how hurtful that can be. A little tact or if you can't say anything good say nothing would not go amiss. It is not a virtue to nasty.
calamity
20-01-2015
Originally Posted by Marie4eva:
“But a normal human being would look at someone like her and think yeah maybe she's had a rough life. But its all high school stuff with them...they look at her and think glamour model bimbo when thats not true.”

they see someone whos sweeter or weaker than them and it makes them feel so much bigger and better to be overpowering and nasty.. sad lot.. Michelle the leader..
Heartache
20-01-2015
Originally Posted by Marie4eva:
“Nadia bullying Ken? I think you need to research bullying as you definitely have confusion. She asked Ken about looking at womens bottoms. Please watch the episode again. Its available online.”

She did not "ask" him, she interrogated him, and was beligerant in doing so.

Nadia, Alicia and Perez have bitched and "back bitted" about Katie H, so they have bullied her then.

The whole process in the DR encourages bullying, if we are using talking behind someone's back as an example of bullying.

We are all bullying by discussing them on a forum, where will it ever end.
EnricoIV
20-01-2015
Originally Posted by Veri:
“Do you think that every time someone spreads a rumour, it's bullying?

That every time someone's excluded -- a disruptive child or even bully excluded from a school, for example -- that person's being bullied?

That every time someone criticises someone else ("attacking verbally"), it's bullying?”

Well first off, it's not my definition. And I didn't copy their entire policy on bullying. But I would take it to mean that it's an accumulation of several of those ... and repeatedly. Perpetrated by a group against an individual. Not just a one-time occurrences.

But go ahead and use that as an excuse for the Mean Girls behavior.
cazziekay
20-01-2015
Originally Posted by muggins14:
“Backbiting - interesting term - presumably you mean talking about somebody who isn't in the room - like we are now for example Gossiping, 'bitching' (I hate that word) ... it's the cornerstone of this show we call Big Brother. It's the very foundation of the programme, there would be no show without it. Put a bunch of people together and they will gather in groups and talk about each other. People in schools do it, offices do it, families do it. We do it.

If the housemates didn't talk about each other we'd never know what they are thinking, who they like, don't like, what they find funny, annoying, irritating, aggravating. As I said, there'd be no show! All reality shows are like this - TOWIE, The Real Housewives, Four in a Bed, The Devil's Kitchen.”

That is exactly .. well words to that effect .. what I was about to type. From it's inception BB hms have always gathered in groups and discussed each other sometimes immitating each other too. In fact generally BB sets a task for the hms to immitate each other. I do not see this as bullying either.

As you say what would there be to watch.
onfencewithrach
20-01-2015
Originally Posted by bbcrzy:
“welcome to american style BB. they love Fighting and backstabbing there, its in almost all their tv shows. BB , AR , survivor. Being a really good liar and monster is rewarded.”

There reaches a point where America can't be blamed for everything.

Bullying and nasty behavior is a human thing, not an American thing,.. and it exists just about everywhere humans are.

People were treated horribly in a number of past UK seasons and even in a few AUS seasons, even in Canada's version.

Even beyond Big Brother, all throughout history humans have been horrible to each other... since the very beginning. It's a very sad reality that hopefully will change one day, probably not soon though.
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