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5.1 Surround Sound
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Deacon1972
22-01-2015
Originally Posted by cmorris:
“Our Setup is like this:

1. The Sky Box is connected to the DVD (TV) Scart
2. The DVD (AV) Scart is connected to the TV
3. the scarton the TV is a double so 1 is connected to the TV, the other is going into the DVD Surround Sound.

I want to get the 5.1 playing anything thats on SKY so do I connect the DVD Surround Sound directly to the Sky box or can I use a 4 in 1 on the Sky box? and when I insert DVD's into the DVD Recorder such as a DVD it will play through the surround sound unit?”

You won't get 5.1 from Sky because the sound system has no digital/HDMI input.

You can connect the DVDr to the sound system via the stereo audio outputs, but you will need a switch box if you are wanting to connect more than one device to the sound system.

Not really any point playing DVD's through the DVDr as it will only give you DPL at best - DVD's through the systems player should give you 5.1 when available.
grahamlthompson
22-01-2015
Originally Posted by cmorris:
“Our Setup is like this:

1. The Sky Box is connected to the DVD (TV) Scart
2. The DVD (AV) Scart is connected to the TV
3. the scarton the TV is a double so 1 is connected to the TV, the other is going into the DVD Surround Sound.

I want to get the 5.1 playing anything thats on SKY so do I connect the DVD Surround Sound directly to the Sky box or can I use a 4 in 1 on the Sky box? and when I insert DVD's into the DVD Recorder such as a DVD it will play through the surround sound unit?”

5.1 audio is only available via a digital audio connection.

Basically

HDMI if the source supports it over HDMI.

or

A S/PDif (Sony/Phillips digital interface), either by a optical cable (Toslink - Toshiba link) or a thin coax cable using RCA Phono sockets.

Using an analogue connection at best will give you pseudo surround sound provided the amplifier has Digital Sound Processing like Dolby Prologic and later variants. (scart is a analogue connection).
cmorris
22-01-2015
So I basically have wasted getting this for Free then -no use?
cmorris
22-01-2015
Can I connect the scart from the DVD Surround directly into the Sky Box?
Deacon1972
22-01-2015
Originally Posted by cmorris:
“Can I connect the scart from the DVD Surround directly into the Sky Box?”

No - Scarts on both devices are outputs.

The sound system will play DVD's through the speakers and anything connected to it via the audio inputs.

DVD's should be in 5.1 but everything else will be stereo/DPL.
chrisjr
22-01-2015
Originally Posted by cmorris:
“Can I connect the scart from the DVD Surround directly into the Sky Box?”

You could. That would be a fairly long daisy chain though. It also assumes the Sky box has two SCARTs which I know earlier ones do, the newer boxes only have one if I recall correctly.

Panasonic SCART --> Sky VCR SCART
Sky TV SCART --> DVD Recorder AV SCART
DVD Recorder TV SCART --> TV

You would need to make sure that the Sky and DVD recorder can passthrough SCART in stand-by.

If the Sky box only has one SCART then there would be no point plugging the Panasonic into it.
grahamlthompson
22-01-2015
Originally Posted by cmorris:
“So I basically have wasted getting this for Free then -no use?”

The sound quality should be significantly higher than a thin TV's tiny speakers. Don't expect to get anything like the surround sound you can get from even a low end AV receiver and speakers. So for free it's certainly not a waste of time. Use it while you save for a reasonable system (Have a chat to Richer Sounds) .
cmorris
22-01-2015
I have managed to get SKY coming through the sub woofer by

1. Connecting a cable (Yellow, Red and White into the VCR AUDIO IN/AUX and the other same end into the AV Output on the Sky Box and everytime I change channel the sound comes out of the sub woofer

Now just need the other speakers connected
Deacon1972
22-01-2015
Originally Posted by chrisjr:
“You could. That would be a fairly long daisy chain though. It also assumes the Sky box has two SCARTs which I know earlier ones do, the newer boxes only have one if I recall correctly.

Panasonic SCART --> Sky VCR SCART
Sky TV SCART --> DVD Recorder AV SCART
DVD Recorder TV SCART --> TV

You would need to make sure that the Sky and DVD recorder can passthrough SCART in stand-by.

If the Sky box only has one SCART then there would be no point plugging the Panasonic into it.”

Daisy chaining wouldn't give audio from Sky through the sound system which I think is what they are after.
cmorris
22-01-2015
£99.95 for this

http://www.richersounds.com/product/...0/jbl-cine-510
cmorris
22-01-2015
Everytime I switch to a SKY Channel, the audio comes from the speakers on TV and Sub Woofer. I have connected the extra Scart to the DVD (This goes from the DVD to TV then extra to DVD Sub) so which DVD player do I use to watch DVD's/CD's - The DVD Recorder or DVD Sub
chrisjr
22-01-2015
Originally Posted by Deacon1972:
“Daisy chaining wouldn't give audio from Sky through the sound system which I think is what they are after.”

Not directly but if there was an audio out from the TV plumbed into the Aux in on the Panasonic system then it would, bit of a round the houses way to do it though.
cmorris
22-01-2015
I'll check tomorrow
spiney2
23-01-2015
full surround sound is provided on 2.0 audio ie the 2 channel version. But doesnt work as well as 5.1 in domestic environment cos living room size is too small for haas effect to work properly.
grahamlthompson
23-01-2015
Originally Posted by spiney2:
“full surround sound is provided on 2.0 audio ie the 2 channel version. But doesnt work as well as 5.1 in domestic environment cos living room size is too small for haas effect to work properly.”

You have posted this rubbish before. It's physically impossible to provide 6 or 8 totally discrete channels (independently sourced) over a analogue or digital stereo connection. If it was why bother with full 5.1 encoding ?
chrisjr
23-01-2015
Originally Posted by grahamlthompson:
“You have posted this rubbish before. It's physically impossible to provide 6 or 8 totally discrete channels (independently sourced) over a analogue or digital stereo connection. If it was why bother with full 5.1 encoding ?”

Wasting your breath. It's been pointed out many times that you only get 5.1 over a two channel link if it has been through something like Dolby ProLogic encoding. Raw stereo mixed for stereo does not contain any surround information (any that is there is purely unintentional) nor does a 5.1 mix down mixed to 2 channel with no processing at all.
mossy2103
23-01-2015
Originally Posted by chrisjr:
“Wasting your breath. It's been pointed out many times that you only get 5.1 over a two channel link if it has been through something like Dolby ProLogic encoding. Raw stereo mixed for stereo does not contain any surround information (any that is there is purely unintentional) nor does a 5.1 mix down mixed to 2 channel with no processing at all.”

Yes, I too recall having a similar "conversation" with the poster about this (with appropriate links to the Dolby website).

I found that banging my head against a brick wall was more productive..
chrisjr
23-01-2015
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“Yes, I too recall having a similar "conversation" with the poster about this (with appropriate links to the Dolby website).

I found that banging my head against a brick wall was more productive..”

You are not wrong. My favourite was his insistence that Dolby ProLogic is only a decoder and there is no encoder for it. Even though I posted a link to this

http://www.dolby.com/us/en/professio...cts/dp563.html

Quote:
“The Dolby Pro Logic II algorithm encodes Lt/Rt stereo with five full-range channels—Left, Center, Right, Left Surround, and Right Surround—for the most natural and involving surround experience that can be delivered via stereo media.”

cmorris
23-01-2015
All done
cmorris
12-02-2015
Got a question for you.

I have a Surround Sound and have managed to get the Sky+HD box outputting sound via the surround sound by connecting RCA Cables from the RCA on the box to the VCR AUDIO IN but how do I get the TV to do the same thing?
gomezz
12-02-2015
Depends on the make and model of the TV set as to what options (if any) you have?
cmorris
13-02-2015
Its a Samsung UE40F6320
chrisjr
13-02-2015
You have only two choices with that TV.

A digital to analogue converter box plugged into the Optical out on the TV and the analogue "TV" sockets on the surround system.

or

A SCART to phono plug adapter and hope the SCART is wired for output (isn't clear from the specs if it is or not)

Example digital-analogue converter

http://www.amazon.co.uk/LINDY-Digita...dp/B002AKXG5E/
Chris Frost
13-02-2015
Originally Posted by cmorris:
“Got a question for you.

I have a Surround Sound and have managed to get the Sky+HD box outputting sound via the surround sound by connecting RCA Cables from the RCA on the box to the VCR AUDIO IN but how do I get the TV to do the same thing?”

Presuming that you're talking about the Panasonic SC-HT500 you mentioned in on of your first posts (is that still the case?), then looking at a download of the manual from the web site it shows two sets of phono sockets. One set is marked 'TV Audio In'

The Samsung TV doesn't have corresponding sockets. Modern TVs use a digital audio connection for sound. It is called Optical (see your TV user manual).

To make Optical compatible with phonos you will need a converter box like this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/eSynic%C2%AE.../dp/B009ZR7IB8. This box needs to be plugged in to the mains to work. The circuits require power to convert the light signal to electrical signals that your Panasonic will understand.

To go with the box you will need some cables. 1x Optical cable. 1x stereo phono to stereo phono cable.

Once the box is connected then you will need to check some menu settings on the TV for the audio output. (Read your TV user manual about optical output or use the TV's onscreen e-Help feature for a How To on making the setting changes). The correct setting is PCM

The advantage of using the TVs optical output instead of SCART is simple:

1) The SCART socket on the TV only gives sound from the TV's tuner. Optical gives sound from any source connected to the TV. That includes the Sky box! If you plug in something to the TV via a HDMI or the TV SCART or any of the other AV inputs then that sound will come out of the Optical. This also works for the TV's Smart Apps.

2) The Panasonic manual suggests using the phono sockets rather than SCART. That's quite unusual but it might be to do with the age of the SC-HT500. Perhaps Panasonic didn't wire the SCART to accept TV audio. In any case its a redundant connection now since TV manufacturers no longer route all TV audio out via SCART (see point 1 above.)
fmradiotuner1
13-02-2015
Oh I think I used to have this.
It was the very first DVD player I had after a PS2 and speakers way back.

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/174/3...8646a54d_o.jpg

I now have an AVR 2310 so really gone up this thing just so much better quality though cost a lot more.
I remember the sub being really boomy not the base you can feel from a proper 10 inch sub like my KEF PSW 2010.
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