Yeah, I think you might have missed the point of my post.
I didn't say any of that.

LOL I wondered how fast the bullying word would appear on here as soon as Perez said it to Katie, he's even controlling people out here to do his dirty work and they're falling for it. That man is a real piece of dirty work, I knew about a lot of what he gets up to on the outside, but actually seeing him in action is quite creepy seeing how he says stuff to really make others blow. Every little thing he does is designed to make people have a go at him (on the outside so he can sell articles on them and/or sue them) and on the inside so that he can either get people to walk or get them thrown out. Even I want to smack him one and I'm not even in there (and I'm usually a pacifist lol) I take off my hat to the others for all not walking tbh.

She is a complete idiot, anthing for camera time and she will continue to make a holy show of herself as she did in the task today.

He was obviously offending all the British cheese makers and Katie was just defending them.
Dat female hero.

Not for the first time by any means.

That doesn't make something not bullying.
So you believe that somebody who is being bullied has to be weak for it to be bullying?

For those who think that it silly to use the bullying accusation, whether you believe it is or not, bullying is about the habitual harassment of somebody. When it becomes systematic and something which happens repeatedly it's quite possibly bullying.

It makes no difference whether the person who is the target can defend themselves or not, the bully is still trying to bully them. The intent is the same.

Bullying??? Every one of them should have given him a slapped arse and sent him off to bed like the silly little twonk he is... What normal middle man shoves food up his nose for attention?

You are quite right, it isn't. Add that to everything ELSE he's done however, and the scales tip alarmingly.

Most people being bulled are weak, this the reason the bully, bullies them. Not saying that is always the case.

I would disagree there.

He has done some terrible things, yes, but Katie has said just as many terrible things (not just to Perez but to Alicia as well) and has refused to give up the fight when he actually tried to back down a little. Just like she's still sniping at Nadia, after Nadia tried to call a truce (clips from today's task).

Katie and Perez are both the same, they just use different tactics, but I'd say Katie is more relentless, controlling and obsessed with turning the others against Perez.

Well it was funny on Monty Python He was trying to be funnyand whether or not it was is all subjective depending on one's outlook....it is not however considered a crime and I have certainly seen a lot worse on BB over the years.

She really is a horrible person.

Yes well you don't add something to everything else somebody has done then.

If we all did that then how far back would you go, and how would we be able to get on with things each brand new day as our pasts are dredged up in order for us to be labelled the bad guy?
We simply wouldn't be able to function as a society.
If somebody isn't doing anything wrong one day then you don't start being horrible to them, because that wouldn't make you any better than them.

Sticking a bit of cheese up your nose should be taken for what it is and on its own merits. Not compared to something bad you may have done before.

Well, as Katie H said, he knows that by continually repeating the bullying accusation 'as stated in the rule book' he'll be well on his sneaky way to having another HM thrown out.

I can't remember having such a Machiavellian HM before.

And the pencils up the nose in Blackadder Goes Forth.

They're all bonkers.

Perez's passive approach seems more effective than the verbal approach Hopkins uses. She reacts every time

50 years ago it might have been funny, if my kids stuck their food up their noses I dont think I would laugh, I would tell them how ridiculous they were being and stop it, does that make me a bully?

Most people, if not everyone, has a weakness to exploit. I don't think it's right or helpful to say that anybody who gets bullied is weak.

Not at all - but if you went on and on and followed them around haranguing them it might.

But Katie isn't Perez's parent.
And it's rich coming from her as she criticised Nadia for telling people how they should or shouldn't behave, and also wasn't happy when Ken was evicted for expressing himself in the way he chose to.
She'll criticise others for being sanctimonious and holier than thou, but is very hypocritical herself as she doesn't apply the principle to herself.
Or she doesn't have real principles.
Or she's a bit thick herself for not remembering what her own principles are.

Really? What an amazingly tolerant (and somewhat unique) person you must be to remain so calm and forgiving.

Most people, I would suggest, can remember annoyances from only two weeks ago, and would react accordingly. Most people faced with living with the idiot Perez would not put up with his extreme attention-seeking, childish behaviour for even a day.

Ok, if I was in the company of an adult male and he stuck grub up his nose I would give him a right gob full, is that bullying?.....You could say Ken was bullied out because Perez was frightened for his safety so he threatened to leave if Ken wasn't removed. Bullying is such an overused word.

If she had any common sense she'd ignore his behaviour, can't the silly woman see she makes it worse in there for the rest of them by continuously having a go at him. He'd soon get fed up if she didn't pay him any attention or is she so scared he's hogging the cameras she'll lose out on AT?

I think you're right.
One thing which strikes me is that Perez has the ability to be very versatile, think in creative ways and adapt to the situation. Where Katie H is just very one-note and appears to be stuck in a rut of only being able to approach things in very simple, rigid ways.
He's running rings around her.