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Katie bullying perez
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Alrightmate
21-01-2015
Originally Posted by Lilylilac:
“Ok, if I was in the company of an adult male and he stuck grub up his nose I would give him a right gob full, is that bullying?.....You could say Ken was bullied out because Perez was frightened for his safety so he threatened to leave if Ken wasn't removed. Bullying is such an overused word.”

I explained in a previous post that bullying is usually described as a series of attacks which are done repeatedly and habitually.

Bullying might be an overused word, but I think at times it is a misunderstood word that can usually be applied even if some think it can't be.
Pumping Iron
21-01-2015
I think it's funny.
zelda fan
21-01-2015
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“I think you're right.
One thing which strikes me is that Perez has the ability to be very versatile, think in creative ways and adapt to the situation. Where Katie H is just very one-note and appears to be stuck in a rut of only being able to approach things in very simple, rigid ways.
He's running rings around her.”

Definitely.
onfencewithrach
21-01-2015
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“Good grief. He put cheese up his nose. How on earth can people possibly get angry at that or take it personally?”

Think of the cheese! The horror of it all.
Sasparella
21-01-2015
Originally Posted by sutie:
“Well, as Katie H said, he knows that by continually repeating the bullying accusation 'as stated in the rule book' he'll be well on his sneaky way to having another HM thrown out.

I can't remember having such a Machiavellian HM before. ”

This is why she keeps having a go at him I'd say, she can see perfectly well what he's doing, but unfortunately she has no idea how to stop him doing it, and no idea how to just ignore him. As I've said before, I would think she's had a fair bit of damage to her brain from the epileptic fits she's had, and it's affected her in several ways, for instance, to a large extent, any empathy she might have had when younger (her music teacher paints a completely different picture of the pre fits Katie when she was a teenager), and also once she gets her teeth into something she can't seem to let it go. He seems to have grasped this and is relentlessly going out of his way to make her blow at him, but he's crafty enough to do it in ways that make him look less bad than she does. He's also managed to fool a lot outside the house into thinking he's just an over the top fun type bloke when in actual fact he really is a nasty bit of work. I didn't like KH before she went in, I'm not sure I actually like her now, but I think I can see more why she's like she is and I get the feeling that she can't help being like it, unlike Perez who does everything for a reason, and it's never for the good.

As an example of what I am talking about, her music teacher said that when she was at school she was an outgoing, articulate, happy, popular and friendly person. This all seems to have changed since she started having the epileptic fits in her 20's. I've worked with two people that started their fits in their 20's and they are exactly like she is now, and sometimes it has nearly driven me round the bend dealing with them, but I can't take a pop at how they behave because they can't help it, and that's how I feel about KH now too.
reader123
21-01-2015
Originally Posted by Sasparella:
“This is why she keeps having a go at him I'd say, she can see perfectly well what he's doing, but unfortunately she has no idea how to stop him doing it, and no idea how to just ignore him. As I've said before, I would think she's had a fair bit of damage to her brain from the epileptic fits she's had, and it's affected her in several ways, for instance, to a large extent, any empathy she might have had when younger (her music teacher paints a completely different picture of the pre fits Katie when she was a teenager), and also once she gets her teeth into something she can't seem to let it go. He seems to have grasped this and is relentlessly going out of his way to make her blow at him, but he's crafty enough to do it in ways that make him look less bad than she does. He's also managed to fool a lot outside the house into thinking he's just an over the top fun type bloke when in actual fact he really is a nasty bit of work. I didn't like KH before she went in, I'm not sure I actually like her now, but I think I can see more why she's like she is and I get the feeling that she can't help being like it, unlike Perez who does everything for a reason, and it's never for the good.

As an example of what I am talking about, her music teacher said that when she was at school she was an outgoing, articulate, happy, popular and friendly person. This all seems to have changed since she started having the epileptic fits in her 20's. I've worked with two people that started their fits in their 20's and they are exactly like she is now, and sometimes it has nearly driven me round the bend dealing with them, but I can't take a pop at how they behave because they can't help it, and that's how I feel about KH now too.”

I cannot believe what you have just posted. Are you using the fact KH has epilepsy to explain her vile behaviour. I have several family members who are epileptics and one has it quite severely, yet they are perfectly nice decent people who are not unkind and nasty as KH. They would be offended by your assumptions.
reader123
21-01-2015
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“I explained in a previous post that bullying is usually described as a series of attacks which are done repeatedly and habitually.

Bullying might be an overused word, but I think at times it is a misunderstood word that can usually be applied even if some think it can't be.”

Good post.
Sasparella
21-01-2015
Originally Posted by reader123:
“I cannot believe what you have just posted. Are you using the fact KH has epilepsy to explain her vile behaviour. I have several family members who are epileptics and one has it quite severely, yet they are perfectly nice decent people who are not unkind and nasty as KH. They would be offended by your assumptions.”

If you have family members who have it then you surely know that it can affect different parts of their brains when they have constant fits and it can have an effect on their behaviour. Just because it hasn't done this to your family members doesn't mean that it doesn't happen to others.
sutie
21-01-2015
Originally Posted by Tissy:
“If she had any common sense she'd ignore his behaviour, can't the silly woman see she makes it worse in there for the rest of them by continuously having a go at him. He'd soon get fed up if she didn't pay him any attention or is she so scared he's hogging the cameras she'll lose out on AT?”



You really think he'd get fed up of his attention-seeking buffoonery? He thrives on it. It's pretty much ALL he is.
reader123
21-01-2015
Originally Posted by Sasparella:
“If you have family members who have it then you surely know that it can affect different parts of their brains when they have constant fits and it can have an effect on their behaviour. Just because it hasn't done this to your family members doesn't mean that it doesn't happen to others.”

And on the other hand the poster and indeed yourself have no knowledge of KH medical records so cannot say for certain this has happened to her.
connor the judg
21-01-2015
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“Most people, if not everyone, has a weakness to exploit. I don't think it's right or helpful to say that anybody who gets bullied is weak.”

But it's true!
Originally Posted by sutie:
“Well, as Katie H said, he knows that by continually repeating the bullying accusation 'as stated in the rule book' he'll be well on his sneaky way to having another HM thrown out.

I can't remember having such a Machiavellian HM before. ”

Great post!
Sasparella
21-01-2015
Originally Posted by reader123:
“And on the other hand the poster and indeed yourself have no knowledge of KH medical records so cannot say for certain this has happened to her.”

This is true, but if you check out what I wrote it was about how it had affected my friends, and that she reminded me exactly of them and also that her music teacher had said that she was completely different when a teenager. I'm inclined to think that she has the same conditions that my friends have, from observing how she behaves in the house. She has been hospitalised many times over because of her fits, which are so bad that she has to have her arm put back into place after it happens. There are many different types of epilepsy, just because your relatives have it doesn't mean that it affects them in the same way it affects others.
open heart
22-01-2015
Originally Posted by bananaman_007:
“Did this not all start with Perez winding up Katie by putting cheese up his nose? She calmly and politely asked him to remove it and was given a mouthful.”



Perez didn't do it to wind Hoppy up, he did it to get attention. He seems to need attention like most people need food and water. And will do anything to get it.
He's like a big overgrown toddler.

And Katie did not ask him to remove the cheese in the manner you say, but more in the manner of an irritated mum, talking to her attention seeking kid.

Katie needs attention too, and she gets it by criticising Perez all the time.
Lou17
22-01-2015
Is it bullying though or just being nasty and trying to get to him by going for what would be cutting to him.
FiFi_Trixibell
22-01-2015
I have a feeling that if it was anyone else but KH bullying people. Big Bother would have stepped in by now. Bad show not to reprimand her.
SnowStorm86
22-01-2015
Originally Posted by Lou17:
“Is it bullying though or just being nasty and trying to get to him by going for what would be cutting to him.”

Either way she's not coming out of it looking like a decent person.

And yet many people continue to make excuses for her.
Lou17
22-01-2015
Originally Posted by SnowStorm86:
“Either way she's not coming out of it looking like a decent person.

And yet many people continue to make excuses for her.”

I'm not excusing her,I'm simply pointing out that not everything that's nastily said is classed as bullying.
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