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Old 28-03-2015, 22:34
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You going to Selfridges to get your launch day, little miss ?
Did you mean to add anything constructive there Alan, or is that it?

Anything to add on the correct pricing of the watch?
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Old 29-03-2015, 12:40
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Well, they don't sell pork pies. Read the thread.
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Old 29-03-2015, 12:48
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I have read the thread.

I just wasn't sure of the relevance of the little miss comment,

I'd be more interested to hear your answer to my question about how much the watches should cost, based on your estimate of parts at "a lot less than £10.

Maybe you missed me asking that earlier.
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Old 29-03-2015, 20:52
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Engadget seem to be trying to prove they are informatively pointless.
http://www.engadget.com/2015/03/29/moto-360-irl

Not knowing that there is a choice of designs and widths, including gold and stainless steel makes them sound even less reliable than normal.


Oh, I bet there is no Moto 360 at Little Miss Selfridge, or am I a little amiss?
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Old 29-03-2015, 21:12
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Engadget seem to be trying to prove they are informatively pointless.
http://www.engadget.com/2015/03/29/moto-360-irl

Not knowing that there is a choice of designs and widths, including gold and stainless steel makes them sound even less reliable than normal.
Why do you think they don't know about the different designs and widths

Oh, and I know you wouldn't want your information to be pointless, so I assume you didn't mean it was available in gold or stainless steel. You meant it is stainless still and available in a gold colour.
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Old 29-03-2015, 23:20
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Engadget seem to be trying to prove they are informatively pointless.
http://www.engadget.com/2015/03/29/moto-360-irl

Not knowing that there is a choice of designs and widths, including gold and stainless steel makes them sound even less reliable than normal.

Oh, I bet there is no Moto 360 at Little Miss Selfridge, or am I a little amiss?
Who are you actually talking to Alan?

Its difficult to say, because you never seem to actually reply to anything.
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Old 30-03-2015, 00:12
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Well, It must be potty training then.

That reply was just too hard to resist.
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Old 30-03-2015, 05:41
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Why do you think they don't know about the different designs and widths

Oh, and I know you wouldn't want your information to be pointless, so I assume you didn't mean it was available in gold or stainless steel. You meant it is stainless still and available in a gold colour.
Well, It must be potty training then.

That reply was just too hard to resist.
Rather than your usual avoidance nonsense, why not actually explain one of your comments for once.

Why do you think the person in the article you linked to was not aware of the different designs and widths? What in the article makes you think that?
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Old 30-03-2015, 08:34
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You going to Selfridges to get your launch day, little miss ?
It's always sad when the only person who finds something funny is the one who posts it, and loves it so much he keeps on and on and ...
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Old 30-03-2015, 09:49
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Well, It must be potty training then.

That reply was just too hard to resist.
Why? Because it was so witty and clever?

You might be on your own in thinking that.

Anyway, now that you've had your bit of fun, can we get back to what you were discussing earlier, i.e. the true value / cost of the Apple watch.

So having established that the cost of its parts are "a lot less than £10", could you talk a bit more about how you arrived at at that conclusion, why you think the cost of the parts are the be all and end all in the final price of a product, and what you believe a more realistic selling price of the watch should be? If possible citing comparable products for comparison.
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Old 30-03-2015, 10:21
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It's always sad when the only person who finds something funny is the one who posts it, and loves it so much he keeps on and on and ...
In fairness, it could have been funny if Selfridges and Miss Selfridges actually had anything to do with each other. Sadly that sort of basic detail is often missing from a AW post.
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Old 30-03-2015, 12:55
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The apple watch is pretty funny, people said it would be hopelessly over priced, but it really is. Some people will buy it, far fewer than apple originally anticipated judging by the massive order cuts due to 'supply issues', but that price, woeful battery and meagre stand alone capability along with a general murk regarding the inception of the smart watch concept, have caused people's rationality to win out over 'ooh shiney apple watch' magpie brain.
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Old 30-03-2015, 13:21
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The apple watch is pretty funny, people said it would be hopelessly over priced, but it really is. Some people will buy it, far fewer than apple originally anticipated judging by the massive order cuts due to 'supply issues', but that price, woeful battery and meagre stand alone capability along with a general murk regarding the inception of the smart watch concept, have caused people's rationality to win out over 'ooh shiney apple watch' magpie brain.
I'm not surprised really. As others have said, watches with fancy features have been around for decades so people already have some idea in their heads what a good value watch is. It's a bit like the rumoured Apple TV. The public aren't going to rush out and spend £2k plus on an TV with the Apple set top box tech built in. We know what a good value TV is.

Having said that I do think that smart wearables are the future of the personal device but current efforts need a lot of improvement.
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Old 30-03-2015, 13:31
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Even though I think smart watches have a very limited appeal I would like to reiterate my view on price.

Anyone who is interested in a watch as a piece of jewellery would not blink at the price, in fact, the price is peanuts.

As for massive order cuts, I assume that's an opinion, as I've not seen any evidence of orders being cut back (which is hardly surprising, as I've not seen any statements on expects orders in the first place).
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Old 30-03-2015, 13:36
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I'm not surprised really. As others have said, watches with fancy features have been around for decades so people already have some idea in their heads what a good value watch is. It's a bit like the rumoured Apple TV. The public aren't going to rush out and spend £2k plus on an TV with the Apple set top box tech built in. We know what a good value TV is.

Having said that I do think that smart wearables are the future of the personal device but current efforts need a lot of improvement.
Plenty of people do pay £2k + for a tv though. Presumably if Apple ever did produce a tv, it would be broadly comparable to current £2k sets.

In which case the question would be why would people pay £2k for some tvs, but not £2k for an Apple tv?
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Old 30-03-2015, 13:38
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The apple watch is pretty funny, people said it would be hopelessly over priced, but it really is. Some people will buy it, far fewer than apple originally anticipated judging by the massive order cuts due to 'supply issues', but that price, woeful battery and meagre stand alone capability along with a general murk regarding the inception of the smart watch concept, have caused people's rationality to win out over 'ooh shiney apple watch' magpie brain.
Over priced compared to what though?

Take this new watch from Mondaine:

Mondaine smart watch

A very nice watch - but at $900 it carries a premium of around $4-500 over the non smart version. And for that premium all you actually get is an analogue dial recording your daily progress towards a steps or distance goal.
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Old 30-03-2015, 14:38
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This is what John Lewis said before they realised Apple Watch was not to be for them
http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/a...-says-retailer


So they said 'Price is no barrier'. Y
Yet stocking them attractive round ones might well be their own barrier, at least until a positive perception is here to stay.
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Old 30-03-2015, 14:49
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This is what John Lewis said before they realised Apple Watch was not to be for them
http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/a...-says-retailer


So they said 'Price is no barrier'. Y
Yet stocking them attractive round ones might well be their own barrier, at least until a positive perception is here to stay.
That article is from September 2014. Since then they said they will be waiting until after launch before deciding when to stock it.

There are a huge number of watch/strap options which make holding stock a problem.
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Old 30-03-2015, 15:02
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This is what John Lewis said before they realised Apple Watch was not to be for them
http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/a...-says-retailer


So they said 'Price is no barrier'. Y
Yet stocking them attractive round ones might well be their own barrier, at least until a positive perception is here to stay.
Oh good, another link

Are you actually ever going to explain the relevance of these links you keep providing? Or maybe explain why you think engadget gave pointless information (i'm sure the irony of that one isn't lost on most in this forum).
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Old 30-03-2015, 15:09
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That article is from September 2014. Since then they said they will be waiting until after launch before deciding when to stock it.

There are a huge number of watch/strap options which make holding stock a problem.
The reason why John Lewis (and every other shop) is not stocking from day one is because Apple made it clear through many stories and press releases that the retail experience would be controlled by them during the early days (I've no doubt at some point that will change).

Even the Selfridges store is a concession run by Apple staff within the store (just like a number of other sections within Selfridges). The only mystery to me is that despite AW's ability to trawl endless websites so that he can post pointless information, a very basic business approach to selling seems to have passed him by.
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Old 30-03-2015, 15:22
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"The shopping dictatorship expects to finally allow people walking into its iShops to simply buy one there and then once it stops pumping the market with hot air when the initial wave of interest dies down. How novel. ®"

I'd even consider £200 too expensive for this watch with its low grade screen
http://www.channelregister.co.uk/201...aunch_register

That might be where the Register's author is coming from in its exuberant use of 'early-bird madcap punters '.
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Old 30-03-2015, 15:42
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"The shopping dictatorship expects to finally allow people walking into its iShops to simply buy one there and then once it stops pumping the market with hot air when the initial wave of interest dies down. How novel. ®"

I'd even consider £200 too expensive for this watch with its low grade screen
http://www.channelregister.co.uk/201...aunch_register

That might be where the Register's author is coming from in its exuberant use of 'early-bird madcap punters '.
The 'shopping dictatorship' You are starting to sound like a complete idiot.

Of course you would. You are very price sensitive.
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Old 30-03-2015, 16:15
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"The shopping dictatorship expects to finally allow people walking into its iShops to simply buy one there and then once it stops pumping the market with hot air when the initial wave of interest dies down. How novel. ®"

I'd even consider £200 too expensive for this watch with its low grade screen
http://www.channelregister.co.uk/201...aunch_register

That might be where the Register's author is coming from in its exuberant use of 'early-bird madcap punters '.
The "low grade screen" comment is yours, not The Register.

As I say, Apple is being sensible about stock: You can't keep all the permutations in stock. 6 bands styles in 18 colors, 2 sizes = 108 permutations of Apple Watch.
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Old 30-03-2015, 17:27
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"The shopping dictatorship expects to finally allow people walking into its iShops to simply buy one there and then once it stops pumping the market with hot air when the initial wave of interest dies down. How novel. ®"

I'd even consider £200 too expensive for this watch with its low grade screen
http://www.channelregister.co.uk/201...aunch_register

That might be where the Register's author is coming from in its exuberant use of 'early-bird madcap punters '.
Alan - I'm starting to think you are a little confused between a blog and a discussion forum. Recently all you have done is repeatedly post links to articles, which would be fine for your blog. But pretty much ignored any and all attempts by people to discuss any of it with you, which is kind of what discussion forums are for.

And even then, your links don't always seem to be about what you are suggesting they are about. The link above doesn't seem to be about the screen at all. But rather is a misguided twisting of the reasoning behind the appointment thing - it seems fairly obvious that the main reason for that is the huge range of combinations available, and it makes practical sense to establish which people might be opting for, rather than having them all in stock.
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Old 30-03-2015, 19:51
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Well I myself did question the need for the presence of the Apple taliban with more egg on your watch face 'complete idiot' stuff.
Maybe Paul Kunert would also approve of my use of his 'Are you Mad' as well as his 'shopping dictatorship' quote.

I'll take the blog bit as a complement calico as it at least furthers discussion, which after all is for actual thoughts.
I really don't think the prior anti taking part thoughts are aimed at me. If something interests me I'll post it.. Often but not, always they merge into the/and my discussion thoughts.
This watch thing is dead interesting, what with the Apple reality, even before the iWatch, alluding to being part jewellery.

Anyone, not an idiot that is, can understand his use of 'Shopping Dictatorship' by actually reading what Paul said.
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