No leg pulling here, it is not fools gold.

http://arstechnica.com/apple/2015/03...ough-as-steel/

"part gold, part ceramic.... two and four times harder than normal 18 ct gold"

Not as soft as gold. Lordy, it is amazing what you can do when you dilute to taste.

Perhaps they finally took the bullshit too far this time.

That's a bit harsh, you shouldn't really say that about alanwarwic.

Dream on

So if you meant Apple, what bs do you think they are telling

kidspud thinks Apple are so brilliant, any original thought is simply not allowed.

Attacking the messenger, but not the message, suffices cos buying Apple is like buying gold. Priceless .

Well that thing how they made it four times harder than 18 carat gold as if that was any sort of a challenge or an exciting result. Gold is soft, that's why it is mixed with something else to make it more durable.

Of course original thought is allowed, that is why I asked what bs he thinks they have said.

What did you mean by your 'diluted' reference? What point are you trying to make with your link to that article? Or was I right and it was just bs?

So what was the bs? Are you saying they haven't made it 4 times harder

Oh, and it isn't 4 times harder than 18 carat gold, it still is 18 carat gold.

£10,000 per watch means that gold blend for 'a thicker plate' comes at an igniot price.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/03...10k_price_tag/

It's a composite, part gold, part ceramic, the result is harder. Carat indicates the purity of the gold, if they added something else to it, it means it's less pure and isn't 18 carats anymore.

http://www.dogwoodceramics.com/Produ...Overglazes.htm
" The OG 801 Liquid Bright Gold has the appearance of fine 18 karat gold jewelry."
"The actual amount of gold in the solution can range from a small percentage to as much as 12%. The fired product is often rated as 18 to 22 Karat in appearance, but those values are subjective not analytically correct due to the small amount of gold in the formula."


Whilst being able to get rid of 90% of the gold in the plate you also obviously get to make it harder than gold.

FYI 18 carat gold means 75% gold, the rest are other metals, so 12% gold is long way from 18 carats. If one adopted the logic that it is still 18 carat gold in that ceramic, one could say 18 carat gold is actually 24 carat with something in it that we can ignore.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...-to-bear-fruit

I suppose it could this stuff,(LiquidMetal) with some gold added. Its can be used for plate and has even been used in Sandisk mp3 players.

It another stuff that got hyped when Apple also licensed its use 5 or so years ago.

18 carat gold is an alloy.

The alloy that Apple are claimed to be using is no less pure than other gold mixtures which make up 18 carat gold. I don't even understand your last statement.

What has 12% gold got to do with anything?

I can't quite believe the gold on will be anything near £10,000. I think it gets crazy past $200 but if so, and am sure we will never quite know how many fish take the composite gold plate bait, or where

I recall that I once compared Apple to a certain jewellery chain of old, so it will be darned interesting if Apple are selling very very very expensive watches.

I think you are the only fish. I've not seen any credible suggestion elsewhere which suggests it's plate.

My Mrs. uses something like that paint on pottery. Looks very nice too after being fired a second time with the over glaze, however you can quite easily scratch it off. Are you saying Apple are essentially painting their watches gold? Who knew?

Have you read any of the links? It seems to be a solid alloy of gold and ceramic. That means it can still be 75% gold (hence 18 karat) but tougher and lighter.

Funnily enough I have been

I was just trying to decipher what Alan was trying to say. Perhaps he has some inside information and hit upon the difference between the gold version is a small pot of overglaze worth a few quid? Seems extremely unlikely I know, but there must be some reason for Alan's post.

Well, if this ceramic is 75% gold then you can certainly call it 18 carot gold.
If not, by even using the term 18 carot they would be fibbing big time in that 18 carot is a 75% gold alloy to start with.

I'd say, unlike metals alloys, they get to call it gold if they declare the carot rating of the resulting material, even if it is only a one third gold alloy like 9 carot, that obviously being much harder than soft 100% pure gold (24 carot).

I still conclude it is an alloy of the alloy, meaning 18 carots is a misrepresentation.
A fair conclusion is that the speculation is 'built on glass'.

Do you have any idea what you are talking about?

18 carat gold is an alloy.

If they say it is 18 carat gold, it is because it will be. It will not be a alloy of an alloy (what does that even mean).

Do you now want to explain what you meant by your 'diluted' comment, or are you now trying to move on as quickly as possible

https://www.apple.com/watch/apple-watch-edition/

Seems Apple are claiming 18 carot, that already being far stronger than pure soft 24 carot.
9ct gold is the hardest so I guess Apple have simply mixed that 25% boron carbon in pure stuff to make theirs 18ct. I'm sure someone will measure it or even melt it down to measure it.I'll blindly speculate it at about 9 grams worth of gold, or one third of an ounce.

BTW does anyone know what Apple call 'normal gold'? There is a certain ambiguity there but it sort of shouts out 'normal 18 carot gold'.

Apple claiming 18 carat is nothing new, the link you provided has not changed since the original announcement. You seem to imply earlier that Apple were using gold plating, are you now correcting yourself?

Saying 9ct is the hardest makes no sense, mainly because carat is not a measure of hardness.

Bib :- you make creating an alloy sound so easy