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Report: The Apple Watch Will Only Last 2.5 Hours With "Heavy" Use
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IvanIV
27-03-2015
Originally Posted by calico_pie:
“I figured as much, and that sounds entirely sensible.

Mind you, just recently I've seen Apple compared to both God and Hitler.

Its very confusing!”

Well. Apple was there at the very beginning with Adam and Eve, making troubles
kidspud
27-03-2015
Originally Posted by IvanIV:
“Well. Apple was there at the very beginning with Adam and Eve, making troubles ”

Haha, that's very good
alanwarwic
27-03-2015
"At Selfridges, the Apple Watch will reportedly be displayed in the store's Wonder Room, where jewelry and watches from luxury brands Gucci and Cartier are sold. Meanwhile, the Apple Watch store at Galeries Lafayette will reportedly take up a large section of the second floor near designers Saint Laurent and Celine. "

http://www.computerworld.com/article...ail-shops.html

No surprise that is was once said that Selfridges 'is like Gerald Ratner gone highbrow'.
calico_pie
27-03-2015
Why don't you just tell us what you really think Alan, instead of all these thinly veiled comments?
Stig
27-03-2015
Forgive me if it has been mentioned elsewhere, but I think Apple has introduced a new feature into the Apple Store app. They are allowing you to 'favourite' the Watch/strap combination you want ready for order.

I've read elsewhere that Apple are concerned about the sheer number of Watch and strap combinations leaving them short of stock. This is a sensible way to gauge demand.
http://9to5mac.com/2015/03/26/apple-...-availability/

It's a 38mm Sport in grey/black for me.
alanwarwic
27-03-2015
Originally Posted by calico_pie:
“Why don't you just tell us what you really think Alan, instead of all these thinly veiled comments?”

I have used the Gerald Ratner reference myself in the past in relation to price. So there seemed plenty of symmetry in that media reference to Selfridges as a posh Ratner.

If it wasn't for the HRM I'd almost suspect that the parts cost is a lot less than £10.
I gawped at the price of this.

Aside from the main selling stupidly expensive, 'stronger than iphone' 7000 aluminium alloy one, I also await an iFixit like 'strong gold' extraction, melt down and weigh in.
kidspud
27-03-2015
Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“I have used the Gerald Ratner reference myself in the past in relation to price. So there seemed plenty of symmetry in that media reference to Selfridges as a posh Ratner.

If it wasn't for the HRM I'd almost suspect that the parts cost is a lot less than £10.
I gawped at the price of this.”

Yes, you have many times shown how price sensitive you are. I also understand that in order to try and justify your price sensitivity you have a desperate need to talk everything down.

However, you must learn that there are many who are clearly not as effected by cost as you are and can tell the difference between tat and a quality product.

You also continue to refer to the cost of parts (which you don't know) with the price of a product, which to me shows how little you know about anything to do with business.

Just stick to you £50 android watch, I'm sure you will be very happy.
alanwarwic
27-03-2015
I understand costs, and also your regular need to egg on punters on to 'prove they are generous' by only paying a top end price.
kidspud
27-03-2015
Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“I understand costs, and also your regular need to egg on punters on to 'prove they are generous' by only paying a top end price.”

You clearly don't understand costs, if you did, why do you keep referring to the cost of parts (which you don't actually know)?
alanwarwic
27-03-2015
I know full well what chipsets cost.

You have Arm M0 MCUs starting at 75 cents and you have quality mid range Quad Cortex A7 type SOCs at $5. And I think that $5 was there well before the 20% YOY fall that has been reported in the trade press.

At a guess Apple will use a dual core Cortex A5 or A7 in their SOC costing them about $2. The battery will be 50 cents with the highest price item, the screen costing likely $5 maximum, but I'm being way over generous by the rumours.
And you could maybe reduce those by a third because of the massive bulk discounts but I suspect Apple seek supply guarantees rather than further cost savings there.

One thing for certain, that Apple Watch RRP actually manages to make the iPhone look good value.
kidspud
27-03-2015
Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“I know full well what chipsets cost.

You have Arm M0 MCUs starting at 75 cents and you have quality mid range Quad Cortex A7 type SOCs at $5. And I think that $5 was there well before the 20% YOY fall that has been reported in the trade press.

At a guess Apple will use a dual core Cortex A5 or A7 in their SOC costing them about $2. The battery will be 50 cents with the highest price item, the screen costing likely $5 maximum, but I'm being way over generous by the rumours.
And you could maybe reduce those by a third because of the massive bulk discounts but I suspect Apple seek supply guarantees rather than further cost savings there.

One thing for certain, that Apple Watch RRP actually manages to make the iPhone look good value.”

So once again you display your ignorance. You have taken a couple of components and tried to derive the price.

As I've already said, you stick to a cheap smartwatch like I'm sure you do for a normal watch.

The only thing for certain is that someone as price sensitive as you are not going to buy it. Pretty much like every other Apple device you obsess over.
jonner101
27-03-2015
Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“I know full well what chipsets cost.

You have Arm M0 MCUs starting at 75 cents and you have quality mid range Quad Cortex A7 type SOCs at $5. And I think that $5 was there well before the 20% YOY fall that has been reported in the trade press.

At a guess Apple will use a dual core Cortex A5 or A7 in their SOC costing them about $2. The battery will be 50 cents with the highest price item, the screen costing likely $5 maximum, but I'm being way over generous by the rumours.
And you could maybe reduce those by a third because of the massive bulk discounts but I suspect Apple seek supply guarantees rather than further cost savings there.

One thing for certain, that Apple Watch RRP actually manages to make the iPhone look good value.”

My Omega speedmaster professional which probably retails at 3.5k or more has a set of individual parts that most probably cost peanuts. The cost is in the labour and energy of the complex manufacturing process overall. Add in design, build quality and brand desirability and you get a very high retail price.

The Apple watch is what it is. It is like any other luxury product, worth what people are prepared to pay for it.

I've no idea if this will succeed or not and Apple are not immune from product failures ( remember the Apple newton ? )

I'm trying out an android wear watch and I'm on the fence about smart watches being of any real use.
alanwarwic
27-03-2015
Get a life.

Beyond that ultra precious Apple share price there's actual interesting things to post!
kidspud
28-03-2015
Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“Get a life.

Beyond that ultra precious Apple share price there's actual interesting things to post!”

classic comedic comment from the Apple obsessive.

It is good to see you want to move on. It is clearly not going well for you.
kidspud
28-03-2015
Originally Posted by jonner101:
“My Omega speedmaster professional which probably retails at 3.5k or more has a set of individual parts that most probably cost peanuts. The cost is in the labour and energy of the complex manufacturing process overall. Add in design, build quality and brand desirability and you get a very high retail price.

The Apple watch is what it is. It is like any other luxury product, worth what people are prepared to pay for it.

I've no idea if this will succeed or not and Apple are not immune from product failures ( remember the Apple newton ? )

I'm trying out an android wear watch and I'm on the fence about smart watches being of any real use.”

Thank you for stating the obvious to AW

I agree about the smartwatch, not convinced myself. Some of the apps showing up for the AppleWatch look interesting so it will be interesting to see how useful the watch becomes.
alanwarwic
28-03-2015
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/1314...tomorrow-in-uk

Often a first to Apple stuff, there seems a glaringly obvious problem with John Lewis getting the iWatch at the same time as the likes of Selfridges.
So no iWatch for them, at least for now.

kidspud
28-03-2015
Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/1314...tomorrow-in-uk

Often a first to Apple stuff, there seems a glaringly obvious problem with John Lewis getting the iWatch at the same time as the likes of Selfridges.
So no iWatch for them, at least for now.

”

Great story from 5 months ago. Any chance you could explain what relevance it has?
calico_pie
28-03-2015
Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“I have used the Gerald Ratner reference myself in the past in relation to price. So there seemed plenty of symmetry in that media reference to Selfridges as a posh Ratner.

If it wasn't for the HRM I'd almost suspect that the parts cost is a lot less than £10.
I gawped at the price of this.

Aside from the main selling stupidly expensive, 'stronger than iphone' 7000 aluminium alloy one, I also await an iFixit like 'strong gold' extraction, melt down and weigh in.”

You suspect the parts cost of the Apple watch to be "a lot less than £10"?

Sounds unlikely, but what do I know.
calico_pie
28-03-2015
Originally Posted by jonner101:
“My Omega speedmaster professional which probably retails at 3.5k or more has a set of individual parts that most probably cost peanuts. The cost is in the labour and energy of the complex manufacturing process overall. Add in design, build quality and brand desirability and you get a very high retail price.

The Apple watch is what it is. It is like any other luxury product, worth what people are prepared to pay for it.

I've no idea if this will succeed or not and Apple are not immune from product failures ( remember the Apple newton ? )

I'm trying out an android wear watch and I'm on the fence about smart watches being of any real use.”

You mean there's more to the cost of a product than the cost of raw materials?

Sounds entirely sensible, but what do I know. I might just think that because I've been brainwashed by the Cult of Apple.
calico_pie
28-03-2015
Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“I know full well what chipsets cost.

You have Arm M0 MCUs starting at 75 cents and you have quality mid range Quad Cortex A7 type SOCs at $5. And I think that $5 was there well before the 20% YOY fall that has been reported in the trade press.

At a guess Apple will use a dual core Cortex A5 or A7 in their SOC costing them about $2. The battery will be 50 cents with the highest price item, the screen costing likely $5 maximum, but I'm being way over generous by the rumours.
And you could maybe reduce those by a third because of the massive bulk discounts but I suspect Apple seek supply guarantees rather than further cost savings there.

One thing for certain, that Apple Watch RRP actually manages to make the iPhone look good value.”

So based on all of this, what should the RRP of the Apple Watch be?

And out of interest, does the price of other products bother you for similar reasons, or is this view limited to Apple?
alanwarwic
28-03-2015
$17,000.
What price, 'After, the gold rush' I'm unsure.

Here's that correct John Lewis link.
http://beta.t3.com/news/john-lewis-n...unch-dont-care

I wonder if anything has changed. I doubt it though there must be a work around that obvious dilemma rearing its ugly head.
kidspud
28-03-2015
Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“$17,000.
What price, 'After, the gold rush' I'm unsure.

Here's that correct John Lewis link.
http://beta.t3.com/news/john-lewis-n...unch-dont-care

I wonder if anything has changed. I doubt it though there must be a work around that obvious dilemma rearing its ugly head.”

Showing your price sensitivity again. Why does this matter to you, you clearly are not the sort of person who can buy these devices.

So John Lewis, just like every other store, is not stocking the apple watch at launch. I'll ask again, what relevance is this story.
alanwarwic
28-03-2015
You going to Selfridges to get your launch day, little miss ?
testcard
28-03-2015
I suggest that with John Lewis it's a case of "wait and see". Apple devices are usually sold in the Sound & Vision department, but where would the Apple Watch sit? Sound & Vision or the Jewellery department? Or a dedicated Apple Watch shop within a shop? It's unlikely John Lewis would hand over retail space for the latter when supply is likely to be limited in the initial months after launch. I suspect that by Christmas 2015 John Lewis will be selling a limited range of Apple Watch models/straps.
kidspud
28-03-2015
Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“You going to Selfridges to get your launch day, little miss ?”

Little misswhat a strange thing to say, I'm sure it means something to you.

If I wanted one, I would get it from the U.S.

I see you are now struggling to to explain the relevance of your link. Shall we put it down to another one of your meaningless, nonsensical posts and move on again.
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