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did michelle just say cami is not white
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rosariofire
24-01-2015
Originally Posted by silentNate:
“I think anyone American knows what a Hispanic is, I know after being spat at being called a 'spic' ”

I've been called that as well 😩
JVS
24-01-2015
Cami said she was the only white girl at a sleepover and Michelle retorted, 'Newsflash, you're not white'. Cami corrected herself and said 'Hispanic girl, Latino girl' and carried on with her story without breaking her smile. She was not in the least offended, unlike some on here who want to make an issue out of it.

I would imagine that 'white' in that context meant 'Anglo-Saxon' and nothing derogatory was intended.
Miss Con Strue
24-01-2015
Originally Posted by Conehead:
“Michelle Visage was born Michelle Lynn Shupack.
Maybe her surname indicates Croatian ancestry. Is she supposed to own her Slavic ethnicity?

In an increasingly mixed world a lot of these celebrations of origins are so much irrelevant nonsense.

By the way, Cami was apparently born in Puerto Rico, not Cuba.”


Really? Cami has said a couple of times, in the house, that she is Cuban.
cavalli
24-01-2015
Originally Posted by Miss Con Strue:
“Really? Cami has said a couple of times, in the house, that she is Cuban.”

Apparently she was born in PR but her parents are Cuban.
Miss Con Strue
24-01-2015
Originally Posted by MaryMack:
“For most Indigenous (ie only 2nd or 3rd gen immigrants) CBB viewers including me the subtleties will be lost and it seems like an impossible minefield to navigate safely. So far this series negro, coloured and now white are all "bad" labels. I felt a little sorry for the older generation getting pulled up for their terminology being out of date when they didn't mean any offence, but it's getting a bit silly. If a police (person) asks me to describe a criminal, I might get taken to court for calling them tall/short/fat/thin/ginger/bald etc ?”


I don't think we are so hung up in the UK about labels, but some people in the US are. My thought is if you use out of date terminology and you have no bad intentions, offence needn't be taken. Many people of my mother's generation use the term coloured because they think black is rude. As long as they are pleasant and accepting of people, I believe they should be forgiven any unintentional offence.
Paace
24-01-2015
Originally Posted by JVS:
“Cami said she was the only white girl at a sleepover and Michelle retorted, 'Newsflash, you're not white'. Cami corrected herself and said 'Hispanic girl, Latino girl' and carried on with her story without breaking her smile. She was not in the least offended, unlike some on here who want to make an issue out of it.

I would imagine that 'white' in that context meant 'Anglo-Saxon' and nothing derogatory was intended.”

Its that Michelle who made an issue of it .

I was looking up Perez's real name and found it's Mario Armando Lavandeira, Jr, born in Miami of Cuban parents .
Vesna
24-01-2015
Originally Posted by Paace:
“I hate these race distinctions but I thought people are classed either black or white .”

Not in America. Black, brown and white. Although a lot of people are mixed so it's less and less a defining thing. Well in some states anyway, like mine.

Originally Posted by Laika:
“Sorry to sound ignorant, but what is the difference between Hispanic and Latino? I've always wondered this.

I remember watching a US show once, who described Penelope Cruz as Latino, which I thought was strange at the time as it's a very American term and she's European.

I get what Michelle was saying about owning your heritage, but I also think at times she needs to stop obsessing about labels.”

Hispanic is usually people from Cuba and Puerto Rico and the Dominican. Latino is usually people from South American countries. They are both used generically though, meaning not necessarily from here or there.

Originally Posted by gentleguy:
“latino and hispanic are the same thing. the reason i called out on michelle is because a latino can be of any race, some are black some are white and some are native american and some are mixed between all and so on.”

Not exactly see above. Maybe you see them in black or white but they see themselves as brown. Do you know any Cubans or Puerto Ricans?
Vesna
24-01-2015
FYI in the USA Hispanic/Latino is classified as a race.
When you fill out any government forms it's one of the choices under race.
Miss Con Strue
24-01-2015
Originally Posted by Paace:
“Its that Michelle who made an issue of it .

I was looking up Perez's real name and found it's Mario Armando Lavandeira, Jr, born in Miami of Cuban parents .”


That's why Cami initially called Perez her homie, until they fell out.
Conehead
24-01-2015
Here's her arrest record and mugshot.
It says she's white.
http://jail.com/arrest-records/camila-figueras-1254178
treefr0g
24-01-2015
Originally Posted by Conehead:
“Here's her arrest record and mugshot.
It says she's white.
http://jail.com/arrest-records/camila-figueras-1254178”

Brilliant
Paace
24-01-2015
Originally Posted by Miss Con Strue:
“That's why Cami initially called Perez her homie, until they fell out.”

Oh right, wasn't sure what she meant by homie, thought it was something to do with his homosexuality
irishcyke
24-01-2015
lol hispanic/latino are classified as a race. In the United Stated white is separate usually listed on identify forms as Caucasian, while Latino or Hispanic is separate

I just asked my house mate who's parents are Colombian who grew up in Austin if anyone he grew up with with consider themselves white and he told me to never ask any Latino/Hispanic person that if i don't want to get punched.
Panda Eyes
24-01-2015
Originally Posted by Conehead:
“Here's her arrest record and mugshot.
It says she's white.
http://jail.com/arrest-records/camila-figueras-1254178”


Wow she's tiny! 94lbs is nothing!
milliejo
24-01-2015
Originally Posted by Laika:
“Sorry to sound ignorant, but what is the difference between Hispanic and Latino? I've always wondered this.

I remember watching a US show once, who described Penelope Cruz as Latino, which I thought was strange at the time as it's a very American term and she's European.

I get what Michelle was saying about owning your heritage, but I also think at times she needs to stop obsessing about labels.”

That would be Americans not knowing the difference between a Hispanic who is born in Cuba or Mexico or somewhere in Latin America and someone that is Spanish and born in Spain.
The thing is Cami will not be voted out for being of Cuban heritage, we don't care. She will be voted out for being a rude American.
Paace
24-01-2015
Originally Posted by Panda Eyes:
“Wow she's tiny! 94lbs is nothing!”

That was in 2011 and she does look gaunt in that pic . She looks far more healthy in the house .
Lou17
24-01-2015
Originally Posted by Miss Con Strue:
“I don't think we are so hung up in the UK about labels, but some people in the US are. My thought is if you use out of date terminology and you have no bad intentions, offence needn't be taken. Many people of my mother's generation use the term coloured because they think black is rude. As long as they are pleasant and accepting of people, I believe they should be forgiven any unintentional offence.”

It's the intention really

Like you say many are misinformed, correction is needed ie alexanda but you can't hate someone for not knowing.
milliejo
24-01-2015
Originally Posted by Conehead:
“Plenty of Cuban Republicans in Florida...”

Not enough because Obama won Florida....it was blamed on the Hispanic population...Perez also has a Hispanic heritage....
Pointy
24-01-2015
Originally Posted by irishcyke:
“lol hispanic/latino are classified as a race. In the United Stated white is separate usually listed on identify forms as Caucasian, while Latino or Hispanic is separate

I just asked my house mate who's parents are Colombian who grew up in Austin if anyone he grew up with with consider themselves white and he told me to never ask any Latino/Hispanic person that if i don't want to get punched.”

Plenty of Argentine and BrazilIan people happily refer to themselves as white.
Vesna
24-01-2015
Originally Posted by milliejo:
“That would be Americans not knowing the difference between a Hispanic who is born in Cuba or Mexico or somewhere in Latin America and someone that is Spanish and born in Spain.
The thing is Cami will not be voted out for being of Cuban heritage, we don't care. She will be voted out for being a rude American.”

How rude. American's know more about it then evidently some British people do. She's no more rude than some of the British celebrities, compared to Helen Wood she's almost demure.
Vicky8675309
24-01-2015
here is a copy of a typical government form which the applicant decides for themselves what race/ethnicity they identify with:
http://www.usaid.gov/sites/default/f...81-Aug2005.pdf
Captain Kipper
24-01-2015
Originally Posted by gentleguy:
“how stupid of her to say something like that cami is a white hispanic some people really dont understant the concept of race you dont have to be anglo saxon to be white go look of the definition of a white cacasion michelle. some ppeople in that house are so thick. also how rude of her to tell michelle what race she is and isnt.”

Theres no such thing as a "white hispanic" you can be one or the other but not both.
Paace
24-01-2015
Originally Posted by Vicky8675309:
“here is a copy of a typical government form which the applicant decides for themselves what race/ethnicity they identify with:
http://www.usaid.gov/sites/default/f...81-Aug2005.pdf”

So according to this form Hispanic, Latino are white .
ohboy
24-01-2015
Originally Posted by Paace:
“So according to this form Hispanic, Latino are white .”

noooooo.

you have to read the form. it's more complicated than that in the u.s.

the form is asking if you're Latino/White, Latino/Black, etc.

Quote:
“
Instructions: The two questions below are designed to identify your ethnicity and race. Regardless of your answer to question 1, go to question 2.

Question 1. Are You Hispanic or Latino? (A person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin, regardless of race.)
Yes / No

Question 2. Please select the racial category or categories with which you most closely identify by placing an “X” in the appropriate box. Check as many as apply.

RACIAL CATEGORY (Check as many as apply)
American Indian or Alaska Native
Asian
Black or African American
Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander
White
”

because of discrimination against latinos, tracking that is relevant for various government programs and benefits, as well as hiring, school admissions, etc.
Fanntastik
24-01-2015
No wonder Channel 5 doesn't want the live feed back. Making a mountain out of a molehill. If Cami was offended she would have said something.
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