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did michelle just say cami is not white
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Kromm
24-01-2015
Originally Posted by puppetangel:
“Isn't being white a reference to being Caucasian ? Are South american people Caucasian?”

Note we've been talking about the Caribbean peoples as well as Central Americans, and even North Americans (which Mexicans are) up until now, in addition to South Americans. In total the whole lump of it is often called "Latin America" and South America is just one part of it.

But getting back just specifically to SOUTH America? Sure. Argentina, the UKs least favorite Latin American nation, for example, is famously fairly white. Around 80% white as of their last census.
muggins14
24-01-2015
Originally Posted by gentleguy:
“latino and hispanic are the same thing. the reason i called out on michelle is because a latino can be of any race, some are black some are white and some are native american and some are mixed between all and so on.”

Latino refers to people of Latin American origin, Hispanic refers to people who originate from Spanish speaking countries. Just to clarify Therefore you can be Hispanic and not be Latino, but you can't be Latino and not be Hispanic as there are many Spanish speaking countries that are not in Latin America.

ETA: Correcting myself, as of course some Latin Americans speak Portuguese, and therefore aren't Hispanic, apologies
Kromm
24-01-2015
Originally Posted by muggins14:
“Latino refers to people of Latin American origin, Hispanic refers to people who originate from Spanish speaking countries. Just to clarify Therefore you can be Hispanic and not be Latino, but you can't be Latino and not be Hispanic as there are many Spanish speaking countries that are not in Latin America.”

To be fair, while what you are saying is 100% correct, the terms have been decaying in both the media and common street usage for about the past 30 years or so. It's one of those cases where the dictionary says one thing and common and media usage has so consistently come to ignore it that there are good arguments that the meanings have drifted, and at some point someone might actually update a dictionary to reflect that.

Which would be a shame in the sense that maybe it's a good idea to have two different words, but so few people DON'T use them interchangeably it's kind of a lost battle.
allie4
24-01-2015
Originally Posted by gentleguy:
“its against forum rules to be rude about spelling just saying.”

It's not your spelling - the HM just meant that the occasional full stop would help us to understand your posts (where you've made some good and interesting points).
They were just trying to gently suggest that it would be easier to read what you've written if you made sentences.
Conehead
24-01-2015
When my people journeyed here from the Caucasus they brought with them an ancient can of worms.
Veri
24-01-2015
Originally Posted by Paace:
“I disagree . In that short space of 45mins live streaming we had Patsy having a great laugh and enjoying herself with Cami, something which would never get shown in the HLs, because it doesn't fit BBs storyline for Patsy i.e to show her morose and sad at all times .”

Good point. It also doesn't fit their story line for Cami, or the way house dynamics are often seen in this forum.
revolver44
24-01-2015
Originally Posted by Conehead:
“Here's her arrest record and mugshot.
It says she's white.
http://jail.com/arrest-records/camila-figueras-1254178”

You sure the "Race: W" doesn't stand for Witch?
Doggyphant
24-01-2015
Wow there's a lot of ignorance on this thread about the US. Michelle didn't say anything bad as others have already explained.

It reminded me of the Katie Hopkins series of I'm a Celebrity when Lynne Franks referred to someone as "black" and Janice Dickinson was offended and had to be told that while "African American" was used in the US, the preferred British term was "black".
Javed
24-01-2015
Originally Posted by Conehead:
“I don't see this as a "Michelle is racist" story - more a "Michelle is butting in like a fool" story.”

Yes exactly. It's the way she wades in and puts labels on people that I find so annoying.
bbcrzy
24-01-2015
Originally Posted by Captain Kipper:
“Theres no such thing as a "white hispanic" you can be one or the other but not both.”

you have that backwards. Hispanic refers to 'spanish speaking' therefore you CAN be caucasian and hispanic.

the three main types are caucasian, negroid and mongoloid. Spanish are clearly caucasian

its only in the USA that caucasians are considered "white" due to their flagrant racism

even the darkest greek or east indian hindu is 'caucasian'. USA forgets stuff like that.
ScreamingTree<3
24-01-2015
Originally Posted by revolver44:
“You sure the "Race: W" doesn't stand for Witch?”

Haha
AndrewPd
24-01-2015
If Cami isn't white then there are no "White " people.

You don't have to be albino to class as white.
EnricoIV
24-01-2015
Originally Posted by bbcrzy:
“you have that backwards. Hispanic refers to 'spanish speaking' therefore you CAN be caucasian and hispanic.

the three main types are caucasian, negroid and mongoloid. Spanish are clearly caucasian

its only in the USA that caucasians are considered "white" due to their flagrant racism

even the darkest greek or east indian hindu is 'caucasian'. USA forgets stuff like that.”

What? First off, in the US, people choose how they're designated. No one chooses for them. And considering the term to use in the US is "African-American" I can assure you, not many (I can't say "no one," there are idiots everywhere) thinks that Greeks, Hindus, etc., fit that category.

And Spanish are not all clearly Caucasian. You're mixing race with nationality. Any nationality, people can be of any race and still be of that nation.
dd68
24-01-2015
MIchelle loves her categories
cah
24-01-2015
Cami is mixed born to parents of Cuban and Puerto Rican descent ,but if she identifies as White Michelle should respect that and not jumped in with her 'BUT you're not white' comment -however Cami didn't at all seem bothered by this statement as she just carried on with her story ,and i'm sure if she was at all bothered she'd have had no problem stating it from what we've seen of her on BB
gentleguy
25-01-2015
Originally Posted by Vesna:
“Not in America. Black, brown and white. Although a lot of people are mixed so it's less and less a defining thing. Well in some states anyway, like mine.

Hispanic is usually people from Cuba and Puerto Rico and the Dominican. Latino is usually people from South American countries. They are both used generically though, meaning not necessarily from here or there.

Not exactly see above. Maybe you see them in black or white but they see themselves as brown. Do you know any Cubans or Puerto Ricans?”

yes i do and yes some do consider themselves white because some are white the ones who are brown are brown plain and simplke the funny thing people on here dont evan realise perez is a white hispanic he is cuban herigae.
gentleguy
25-01-2015
Originally Posted by Captain Kipper:
“Theres no such thing as a "white hispanic" you can be one or the other but not both.”

come again

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_H...tino_Americans
Desy Boy
25-01-2015
Originally Posted by treefr0g:
“Do American Hispanics consider themselves white? What is so special about white? Maybe they consider themselves a different colour than white.”

Exactly. They're all transient terms which change from culture to culture. In America many hispanic people don't consider themselves to be white even when they look it. White is a more Northern European thing. But then some are commonly seen as white.

It's such an evolving area that it's hard to feel offence unless malice or degradation is intended. For instance latin rapper Fat Joe appears white as the driven snow but isn't even considered when he uses the N word as culturally there's been a black and latin commonality in America.

Race is a weird wide reaching thing especially in America and it's best not to play smart or dumb with it. If you don't know best not to assume or impose. And it's ok not to understand. Just remember that respect goes an awfully long way in life.
gentleguy
25-01-2015
Originally Posted by Desy Boy:
“Exactly. They're all transient terms which change from culture to culture. In America many hispanic people don't consider themselves to be white even when they look it. White is a more Northern European thing. But then some are commonly seen as white.

It's such an evolving area that it's hard to feel offence unless malice or degradation is intended. For instance latin rapper Fat Joe appears white as the driven snow but isn't even considered when he uses the N word as culturally there's been a black and latin commonality in America.

Race is a weird wide reaching thing especially in America and it's best not to play smart or dumb with it. If you don't know best not to assume or impose. And it's ok not to understand. Just remember that respect goes an awfully long way in life.”

fat joe is actually a mestizo hispanic meaning he is of mixed white spanish and natve american ancestry
gentleguy
25-01-2015
ive also notced ive mentioned perez hylton is a white hispanic people keep ignoring that lol.
Anightlikethis
25-01-2015
Originally Posted by silentNate:
“Michelle is dead to me now.”

LOL
cavalli
25-01-2015
Originally Posted by gentleguy:
“fat joe is actually a mestizo hispanic meaning he is of mixed white spanish and natve american ancestry”

Yeah, I assumed it was something like that, he doesn't look at all Caucasian to me.
gentleguy
26-01-2015
Originally Posted by cavalli:
“Yeah, I assumed it was something like that, he doesn't look at all Caucasian to me.”

yes perez is a typical caucasian hispanic.
Icabod Crane
27-01-2015
Originally Posted by silentNate:
“Michelle is dead to me now.”

loooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
cavalli
27-01-2015
Originally Posted by gentleguy:
“yes perez is a typical caucasian hispanic.”

Well I don't think he looks a typical anything to be fair

Cameron Diaz is a better example, or some of the Real Housewives of Miami.
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