[1saintly]

Some good news for the tin hat people that dont trust Google

http://www.androidauthority.com/cyan...master-582373/

[jabbamk1]

The team at Cyanogen have always come across as hypocritcal to me. It seems they just go where the money is.

[d123]

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Originally Posted by 1saintly

Some good news for the tin hat people that dont trust Google

http://www.androidauthority.com/cyan...master-582373/

Good luck to them, trying to convince mainstream suppliers and customers they won't have the Google apps suite on their phones.

[Mustabuster]

That page is coming up blank for me.

[sethpet]

Gmail, google now, google maps etc are the reason i use android

His plan is doomed to failure in my opinion

[Zack06]

Lately, I'm not sure whether the Cyanogen team are deluded or just plain foolish.

After the OnePlus One fiasco it's clear they don't seem to have an understanding of how the market actually works and what the current market conditions are. They are looking very much like a band of developers winging it against the big players, with varying degrees of success.

Samsung, with all its resources and know-how has been desperately trying to achieve the same "Google-free" goal for years now, but they consistently fail because consumers just aren't interested in pale imitations of Google services, when they can just buy an Android device that has access to the real, full suite anyway.

The only company that has managed to succeed in achieving a "Google-free" Android is Amazon, purely because Amazon's strength is online services, and they have their own ecosystem that was already very well established.

The key here is that the consumer needs to be convinced/drawn into a strong ecosystem to back up the OS, or it will fail. At the moment only Amazon's services can realistically sustain themselves away from Google, and even then, services like Gmail and Maps are still needed on their devices.

Google is not stupid, Android itself is open, but Google and its services are not, and it's the one trump card that seems to have everyone's backs up.

[Richard_T]

The big problem for Cyanogenmod is that its just seen as a custom rom.
There may be a few handsets with cyanogenmod per-installed but as far as most people are concerned they leave their phone alone and running whatever software it came with.
Theres probably quite a few out there who dont even know what android is, and as far as they are concerned its just a smasung/lg/whatever and software updates cause problems.
Asking someone to install a custom rom will cause confusion and problems, and prompt the question of why?.
There was a thread on here where someone was just using the samsung app store as they didnt know about google play.
Most people just want something that works as is, and will leave everything at default for the lifetime of the device.

[Mustabuster]

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Originally Posted by Zack06

Lately, I'm not sure whether the Cyanogen team are deluded or just plain foolish.

After the OnePlus One fiasco it's clear they don't seem to have an understanding of how the market actually works and what the current market conditions are. They are looking very much like a band of developers winging it against the big players, with varying degrees of success.

Samsung, with all its resources and know-how has been desperately trying to achieve the same "Google-free" goal for years now, but they consistently fail because consumers just aren't interested in pale imitations of Google services, when they can just buy an Android device that has access to the real, full suite anyway.

The only company that has managed to succeed in achieving a "Google-free" Android is Amazon, purely because Amazon's strength is online services, and they have their own ecosystem that was already very well established.

The key here is that the consumer needs to be convinced/drawn into a strong ecosystem to back up the OS, or it will fail. At the moment only Amazon's services can realistically sustain themselves away from Google, and even then, services like Gmail and Maps are still needed on their devices.

Google is not stupid, Android itself is open, but Google and its services are not, and it's the one trump card that seems to have everyone's backs up.

I've finally managed to read the article and this pretty much sums up my feelings. Cynogen just doesn't have the marketing or business muscle to pull off anything like what they are proposing. What they want is admirable but unrealistic. I also can't see what Cynogens business model is. It seems little more than startup that's bankrolled by some rich investors.

[finbaar]

I have installed CM on every Android phone I have owned and three out of the four phones in my house (two of them mine and one my sons) run either CM or a rom based on CM. CM support is a key consideration when I purchase a phone which is why I have had so many Nexus devices as they have the best CM experience. But CM is not Cyanogen inc who I have rooted for, however I do wonder if this is a step to far. I have experimented not flashing Gapps but I ended up looking for a replacement for GMail and being dissapointed. I can get a poor Google experience on Windows Phone, I dont need it from Cyanogen.

However Android sans Google is the default in China. Hunderds of millions of phones there manage pretty well.. I just don't see it in the West.

[Gigabit]

I'm sorry but Amazon has not succeeded in selling Android devices without Google.

The Fire Phone is selling terribly!

[Aye Up]

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Originally Posted by Gigabit

I'm sorry but Amazon has not succeeded in selling Android devices without Google.

The Fire Phone is selling terribly!

You choose the one thing they clearly failed at, but not consider its Kindle range?

One flop does not indicate a disaster, the Kindle ecosystem from the humble reader to the Fire HD range has been a barnstorming success. Never in my life did I ever imagine Supermarkets would be selling said devices along side their own offerings. Being honest I was surprised when Amazon devices made it to bricks and mortar stores, they impressed even me. But I am digressing, the Kindle range of devices have been very successful for Amazon, they readily admit however that they only just about break even on the devices they sell. The money is made in content, something Amazon is will versed in.

[Gigabit]

The Kindle is a success; the Kindle Fire/Kindle Fire HD is not.