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Michele talking about the Gays again
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dylan99
26-01-2015
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“By constantly banging on about the "gay community", I would propose that she is being homophobic. She is suggesting that they are not part of normal society but some sort of militant protest group who see themselves outside of it.”

I wouldn't go as far as homophobic, but she is all about pigeon holes and labels. She come across more interested in division, then recognising we're all kinda the same.
Radical Joe
26-01-2015
Originally Posted by JayUK69:
“Can I get an amen

And to the OP, we aren't 'the gays'”

I've read two separate interviews with her prior to going on CBB, in which she is quoted as using those exact words.
Scarlett Berry
26-01-2015
Originally Posted by hisdogspot:
“She's not gay”

What Michelle Visage I am doing this for MY community is not Gay

Surely you jest.
Stardust365
26-01-2015
I'm probably being very naive here, but I see gay people as people.... not 'gay'. We are a colourful world and we don't all like the same thing.... for example, we don't all like the same kind of music, football team, hair colour etc... what someone straight likes to do in bed will be different to what another straight person likes to do in bed, and so on. So in my mind, constantly defining someone for their sexual preferences kind of annoys me. Aren't we all just people?

Talking about the L&GC and having people 'represent' them in some way shape or form sort of makes them sound like a different species! Gay people are just people with a preference aren't they. Why does that make them hugely different to other people? We're all human and all like differing things.

This post isn't meant to offend or antagonise anybody, I'm just curious as to how 'gay people' (and I'm loathe to use those words because that means I'm defining someone by their sexual preference) feel about having Michelle constantly say she's representing the gay community? Is it annoying or are you happy about it?

I am aware that Michelle was in a girl band years ago which didn't do too well and she wanted to remain in the industry, so she got a job on radio and from that got a lucky break from RuPaul which is what has led her to become a global spokeswoman for gay people everywhere. I'm sure there's no doubt she genuinely cares, but isn't this basically her career and what not only pays her mortgage, but keeps her relevant and famous... which is what she originally wanted from the girl band (fame and money).

It's only my opinion (not fact) and I'm willing to hear all points of views and take on board others opinions. And yes, I'm possibly very naive.
Master Ozzy
26-01-2015
Originally Posted by Stardust365:
“I'm probably being very naive here, but I see gay people as people.... not 'gay'. We are a colourful world and we don't all like the same thing.... for example, we don't all like the same kind of music, football team, hair colour etc... what someone straight likes to do in bed will be different to what another straight person likes to do in bed, and so on. So in my mind, constantly defining someone for their sexual preferences kind of annoys me. Aren't we all just people?

Talking about the L&GC and having people 'represent' them in some way shape or form sort of makes them sound like a different species! Gay people are just people with a preference aren't they. Why does that make them hugely different to other people? We're all human and all like differing things.

This post isn't meant to offend or antagonise anybody, I'm just curious as to how 'gay people' (and I'm loathe to use those words because that means I'm defining someone by their sexual preference) feel about having Michelle constantly say she's representing the gay community? Is it annoying or are you happy about it?I am aware that Michelle was in a girl band years ago which didn't do too well and she wanted to remain in the industry, so she got a job on radio and from that got a lucky break from RuPaul which is what has led her to become a global spokeswoman for gay people everywhere. I'm sure there's no doubt she genuinely cares, but isn't this basically her career and what not only pays her mortgage, but keeps her relevant and famous... which is what she originally wanted from the girl band (fame and money).

It's only my opinion (not fact) and I'm willing to hear all points of views and take on board others opinions. And yes, I'm possibly very naive.”

It's annoying. She seems to think she has the right to tell a gay person how to behave. She's a straight woman, she doesn't. I'm all for people standing up and supporting gay right etc, but this woman is just bonkers and beyond ridiculous. She profiles people and pigeon holes them and talks about gay people like we are different species.
macaz75
26-01-2015
Is it not just the edit? Say fighting for gay rights is a big part of her life, as it is many, and she mentions it half a dozen times in a week to a group of people that are getting to know her, where's the problem?
hisdogspot
26-01-2015
Originally Posted by Scarlett Berry:
“What Michelle Visage I am doing this for MY community is not Gay

Surely you jest.”

She's a straight married woman

It seems odd to me, too, that she claims to 'represent' the gay community

She can offer support to the gay community, sure, but how can she represent a community she is not actually a member of ?
little-monster
26-01-2015
So she keeps speaking up for the LGBT community, and people moan
Why do you all keep moaning about a woman who is passionate for LGBT rights?

It's who she is at the end of the day. Unless your uncomfortable for her passion and rights.

I wonder what the reaction would be if she openly spoke about animal cruely, child abuse or racism. I bet there wouldn't be people moaning about it.
planets
26-01-2015
Originally Posted by little-monster:
“So she keeps speaking up for the LGBT community, and people moan
Why do you all keep moaning about a woman who is passionate for LGBT rights?

It's who she is at the end of the day. Unless your uncomfortable for her passion and rights.

I wonder what the reaction would be if she openly spoke about animal cruely, child abuse or racism. I bet there wouldn't be people moaning about it.”

re: BIB
I think it's because if you aren't the sort of "gay" she approves of, you are demonised, targeted and isolated. She is not all encompassing in her "support".

It's nothing to do with people being uncomfortable with her "passion and rights", people don't like her because of her massive hypocrisy displayed whilst in the house where her words say one thing and her actions another.
Stardust365
26-01-2015
Originally Posted by Master Ozzy:
“It's annoying. She seems to think she has the right to tell a gay person how to behave. She's a straight woman, she doesn't. I'm all for people standing up and supporting gay right etc, but this woman is just bonkers and beyond ridiculous. She profiles people and pigeon holes them and talks about gay people like we are different species.”

Thank you for your reply
occulta7
26-01-2015
it seems odd she's championing this cause would be fairer to include the straight community
aswell because in a democracy every section of society has rights she's pidgeonholing
the LGBT community as if they the only ones who exist on the planet !
What name??
26-01-2015
Originally Posted by hisdogspot:
“She's not gay”

I think it is her that needs reminding of that.
What name??
26-01-2015
Originally Posted by macaz75:
“Say fighting for gay rights is a big part of her life, as it is many, and she mentions it half a dozen times in a week to a group of people that are getting to know her, where's the problem?”

But is it a big part of her life or does she just happen to have a large gay following?

What campaign etc has she ever lead for gay rights considering she sells herself as an activist?

... And wearing a t-shirt doesn't count.
YesNoMan
26-01-2015
She seems like the sort of woman who'd have reasonably well-informed (non Fox) views on other matters, but as we know, it's several years since BB wanted to broadcast Late Night Chat with Terry Christian and Coolio for our edification. So now we only get to hear the housemates' views on matters directly relating to their manufactured conflict of the moment.

I have to reluctantly admit though, the way it's being shown, I am starting to feel "Oh God she's going to bang on about Her People again."

But I still like her more than the rest, so.
anne_666
26-01-2015
Originally Posted by Master Ozzy:
“It's annoying. She seems to think she has the right to tell a gay person how to behave. She's a straight woman, she doesn't. I'm all for people standing up and supporting gay right etc, but this woman is just bonkers and beyond ridiculous. She profiles people and pigeon holes them and talks about gay people like we are different species.”

She has no right to tell anyone how to behave. Then picking on and isolating a gay man for behaviour she deems wrong is exactly what she purports to want to prevent in society. It's nothing to do with his behaviour. All was fine until he dared to nominate her, the gang, her "family" was formed and he was suddenly totally unacceptable to her and the sheep.

She seemed to, at last, be finding a backbone, during and after last night's argument.
Radical Joe
26-01-2015
Originally Posted by Stardust365:
“I'm probably being very naive here, but I see gay people as people.... not 'gay'. We are a colourful world and we don't all like the same thing.... for example, we don't all like the same kind of music, football team, hair colour etc... what someone straight likes to do in bed will be different to what another straight person likes to do in bed, and so on. So in my mind, constantly defining someone for their sexual preferences kind of annoys me. Aren't we all just people?

Talking about the L&GC and having people 'represent' them in some way shape or form sort of makes them sound like a different species! Gay people are just people with a preference aren't they. Why does that make them hugely different to other people? We're all human and all like differing things.

This post isn't meant to offend or antagonise anybody, I'm just curious as to how 'gay people' (and I'm loathe to use those words because that means I'm defining someone by their sexual preference) feel about having Michelle constantly say she's representing the gay community? Is it annoying or are you happy about it?

I am aware that Michelle was in a girl band years ago which didn't do too well and she wanted to remain in the industry, so she got a job on radio and from that got a lucky break from RuPaul which is what has led her to become a global spokeswoman for gay people everywhere. I'm sure there's no doubt she genuinely cares, but isn't this basically her career and what not only pays her mortgage, but keeps her relevant and famous... which is what she originally wanted from the girl band (fame and money).

It's only my opinion (not fact) and I'm willing to hear all points of views and take on board others opinions. And yes, I'm possibly very naive.”

I don't claim to have the lowdown on Michelle's past, but an pre-BB interview with her that was linked on here made for interesting reading.

In it, she said that, at the time she was first asked to work on the Drag Race show, she was doing some talk-show on some obscure local (Texan?) radio station. She says that she was reluctant to ask her bosses at the station for permission to take time off to do the show because she thought they were so conservative they would refuse, and that she only plucked up the courage when a friend insisted she go for it.

It was interesting in two respects: the fact that she worked for what she considered to be a conservative station (so much so she thought they would refuse her permission to work on a show promoting gay people and lifestyles) suggests that her own talk show was hardly the bastion of gay rights activism I'd been led to believe by some here; and also that, contrary to her strong woman image, she didn't feel strong enough to speak to her bosses about it until a (presumably stronger) friend pushed her into it.
Oracles_eye
26-01-2015
Originally Posted by linmic:
“I last saw him about a month ago - he's due back about Easter time I think ”

Hope the Bunny doesn't knock him off the top spot being the kids favorite and all that Jazz.
anne_666
26-01-2015
Originally Posted by planets:
“re: BIB
I think it's because if you aren't the sort of "gay" she approves of, you are demonised, targeted and isolated. She is not all encompassing in her "support".

It's nothing to do with people being uncomfortable with her "passion and rights", people don't like her because of her massive hypocrisy displayed whilst in the house where her words say one thing and her actions another.”

Exactly and the hypocrisy is far reaching and ugly cowardly behaviour.
YesNoMan
26-01-2015
Quote:
“11.19am: Michelle and Nadia discuss crocodiles. Also parasites that live in certain rivers that can get inside your brain. Grim.”

See, I'd rather see some of these things broadcast, but it's just not on the C5 agenda is it. The only time we get to see any such thing is if someone says something really stupid.
Alrightmate
26-01-2015
Originally Posted by macaz75:
“Is it not just the edit? Say fighting for gay rights is a big part of her life, as it is many, and she mentions it half a dozen times in a week to a group of people that are getting to know her, where's the problem?”

How does she do that?
Radical Joe
26-01-2015
Originally Posted by YesNoMan:
“See, I'd rather see some of these things broadcast, but it's just not on the C5 agenda is it. The only time we get to see any such thing is if someone says something really stupid.”

11.20am: Michelle goes on to say this only applies to nasty 'breeder' parasites not LGBT ones, who are happy to dress up as butterflies and shake their thang
Oracles_eye
26-01-2015
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“How does she do that?”

By using terminology from the dark ages.

She is a mouthpiece for "The Gays" their "Community" as she's more comfortable with "The Gays" as she doesn't really associate with the "Straights"

Maybe she just wants "The Gays" in her own "Community" she can have an island with only "The Gays", I predict the population would die out though unless she lets in the "Bi" "Community" or maybe the "Pre-Op" community.......

People are people, either good or bad it doesn't matter about any other point does it.

When do kids start learning they are different and then use that in a nasty way, we may just have to have shock collars in schools and every time they say something bad shock them a little...
momoriro
26-01-2015
Originally Posted by jobielad:
“I heard that too and he has actually pretty well said that on screen on at least one occasion hence KH getting riled up with him - that's it, during the debate task”

http://www.inquirelive.co.uk/comment...needs-to-stop/
Eurostar
26-01-2015
Originally Posted by dylan99:
“I wouldn't go as far as homophobic, but she is all about pigeon holes and labels. She come across more interested in division, then recognising we're all kinda the same.”

She is surely doing gay people a disservice anyway. They presumably want nothing more than to be regarded as normal members of society, not some sort of separate community with spokeswomen like her labelling them.
Pete_Lashmar
26-01-2015
In the UK we have a man called Peter Tatchell, who speaks out about gays, equal rights and has outed people in the past - and he is a gay supporter.

Sometimes, these gay speakers/activists, whatever you want to call them, can do more harm by going on and on and on.

Michelle isn't one of my favourites, she doesn't come across to me with any particularly great personality and I'm sick of hearing all the good she does for the gay community, not that it's bad, but I'm sick of hearing about it.
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