I can't believe you are defending him saying 'if I was your child, I would kill myself'
While Katie and Cami are no better, that is a horrible thing to say
While Katie and Cami are no better, that is a horrible thing to say
After tonight, I am offiicially on Perez's side
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The behaviour Katie Hopkins is meting out towards Perez could equally be meted out to one of her children if they behaved the same way. Children who are different in some way - autistic, ADHD, challenging children - can be abused in that way by their mothers.. They can be locked away in cupboards or in bare rooms, sometimes for years.. The other children are sometimes encouraged to abuse them too. If they are lucky, the authorities find out in time to save them, while sadly the less lucky ones die. It is worrying to think that someone as ignorant, bigoted and socially limited as Katie Hopkins could be responsible for vulnerable dependents. When she said to Perez that if she was his mother, she'd lock him in a room, etc.. it is no wonder that he responded that if she was his mother, he'd kill himself. it's the truth.
Originally Posted by NarutoFan100:
“I can't believe you are defending him saying 'if I was your child, I would kill myself'
While Katie and Cami are no better, that is a horrible thing to say”
“I can't believe you are defending him saying 'if I was your child, I would kill myself'
While Katie and Cami are no better, that is a horrible thing to say”
He would be straight up to diary room asking for lawyers if that was said to him, also if anyone told him to go funk your Mother and your Father,
Originally Posted by Monty_Brewster:
“Perez called Cami-Li a bitch. He then also made the comment about the kids. Katie and Cami Li never stoop to that level.”
“Perez called Cami-Li a bitch. He then also made the comment about the kids. Katie and Cami Li never stoop to that level.”
Yes he did say that .... a while after Cami slagged him off... guess you forgot to include the significant detail, huh? Katie and Cami 'never stoop to that level'???
Ha
I guess you watch with the sound off then...too funny! They are easily as offensive as Perez and many would say MORE so!!! Cami is very foul mouthed and Hopkins excels in nastiness....not for nothing is she hailed as the most hated woman in UK.
Originally Posted by NarutoFan100:
“I can't believe you are defending him saying 'if I was your child, I would kill myself'
While Katie and Cami are no better, that is a horrible thing to say”
“I can't believe you are defending him saying 'if I was your child, I would kill myself'
While Katie and Cami are no better, that is a horrible thing to say”
Katie said "if he were my child I'd lock him in the storeroom". Perez responded as her hypothetical child. The context of his comment was irrelevant to her actual children (unlike her comment about having two parents).
I don't think it came close to the abuse she's levelled at him every day for over a week. And I was amused at her and Cami's surprise and outrage when he finally bit back verbally instead of his usual blowing kisses petty stuff.
How dare he...abuse is obviously supposed to be a one-way transaction.
Originally Posted by amyawake:
“Yes he did say that .... a while after Cami slagged him off... guess you forgot to include the significant detail, huh? Katie and Cami 'never stoop to that level'???
Ha I guess you watch with the sound off then...too funny! They are easily as offensive as Perez and many would say MORE so!!! Cami is very foul mouthed and Hopkins excels in nastiness....not for nothing is she hailed as the most hated woman in UK.”
“Yes he did say that .... a while after Cami slagged him off... guess you forgot to include the significant detail, huh? Katie and Cami 'never stoop to that level'???
Ha
I guess you watch with the sound off then...too funny! They are easily as offensive as Perez and many would say MORE so!!! Cami is very foul mouthed and Hopkins excels in nastiness....not for nothing is she hailed as the most hated woman in UK.”
Cami's slagged him off all week and yelled at him several times. Her shocked face was priceless...she was probably expecting him to take it like he has been each day, maybe blow her a kiss or wiggle his arse. She certainly didn't seem to enjoy getting a taste of her own medicine.
Originally Posted by Flora_McDonald:
“The behaviour Katie Hopkins is meting out towards Perez could equally be meted out to one of her children if they behaved the same way. Children who are different in some way - autistic, ADHD, challenging children - can be abused in that way by their mothers.. They can be locked away in cupboards or in bare rooms, sometimes for years.. The other children are sometimes encouraged to abuse them too. If they are lucky, the authorities find out in time to save them, while sadly the less lucky ones die. It is worrying to think that someone as ignorant, bigoted and socially limited as Katie Hopkins could be responsible for vulnerable dependents. When she said to Perez that if she was his mother, she'd lock him in a room, etc.. it is no wonder that he responded that if she was his mother, he'd kill himself. it's the truth.”
“The behaviour Katie Hopkins is meting out towards Perez could equally be meted out to one of her children if they behaved the same way. Children who are different in some way - autistic, ADHD, challenging children - can be abused in that way by their mothers.. They can be locked away in cupboards or in bare rooms, sometimes for years.. The other children are sometimes encouraged to abuse them too. If they are lucky, the authorities find out in time to save them, while sadly the less lucky ones die. It is worrying to think that someone as ignorant, bigoted and socially limited as Katie Hopkins could be responsible for vulnerable dependents. When she said to Perez that if she was his mother, she'd lock him in a room, etc.. it is no wonder that he responded that if she was his mother, he'd kill himself. it's the truth.”
Did she say locked? She said for the rest of the day, not for the foreseeable.
Originally Posted by scone:
“I think it was more disgusting what he said, "if I was your child I would kill myself" and "if I was your child I would blow my brains out,"
What did she say? At least her kids have both parents and cousins, etc. That is nothing to what he said, yet she remained more composed than him.
It is not bullying. This man says really nasty stuff and he is not getting the required reaction out of Hopkins so he blows his top. Getting in her face calling her pathetic.
Wait until he gets out and writes his crap. And look at what he said about the people who voted for him in the diary room.
He spat his dummy out because he was put down as the most two faced and most unhygienic and then there was that tweet.
The man is an idiot”
“I think it was more disgusting what he said, "if I was your child I would kill myself" and "if I was your child I would blow my brains out,"
What did she say? At least her kids have both parents and cousins, etc. That is nothing to what he said, yet she remained more composed than him.
It is not bullying. This man says really nasty stuff and he is not getting the required reaction out of Hopkins so he blows his top. Getting in her face calling her pathetic.
Wait until he gets out and writes his crap. And look at what he said about the people who voted for him in the diary room.
He spat his dummy out because he was put down as the most two faced and most unhygienic and then there was that tweet.
The man is an idiot”
Originally Posted by auntysplat:
“Still dislike him and not on his side, funny how he goes and sits near Katie H and Cami after they have a go at him, he is a wind-up-merchant and deservers all he gets IMO”
“Still dislike him and not on his side, funny how he goes and sits near Katie H and Cami after they have a go at him, he is a wind-up-merchant and deservers all he gets IMO”
Good posts.
I think a lot of the posters here are taking a leaf out of Nadias book,'i don't like Hopkins so ill side with this attention seeking twerp'
I actually don't really like Hopkins all that much but she's been a great housemate,not least because she's the balls to stand up and confront the king idiot hypocrite Hilton,who is the epitome of a housemate that would make me turn off if he was totally unchallenged, which he would be if Hopkins and the 'mean girls' (not mean but strong) wernt there.
Originally Posted by scone:
“Did she say locked? She said for the rest of the day, not for the foreseeable.”
“Did she say locked? She said for the rest of the day, not for the foreseeable.”
So you think that's OK?
If you require a child - particularly a hyperactive, attention-seeking one - to stay in a room for a full day, you have to lock the door and windows, sedate them or beat them unconscious. That's why a cupboard is easier - no windows.. (and no distraction from the solitary boredom - it's a punishment like hell). Funny how Hopkins knows that already.
And what happens the next day when - surprise surprise - nothing has changed?
Hopkins was quoted above as saying: "if he were my child I'd lock him in the storeroom".
People are scarred for life by that type of abuse.
Originally Posted by Arcana:
“I'm not ashamed.
Hilton is a master baiter and one or two of his HMs are clearly over-reacting.
I'm not on anyone's side.”
“I'm not ashamed.
Hilton is a master baiter and one or two of his HMs are clearly over-reacting.
I'm not on anyone's side.”
Absolutely. I don't see why we have to support either Hopkins OR Perez.
I don't like either of them and think they're both a royal pain in the a.
Choosing between them is NOT obligatory!
Down the years, there's been various threads on here that have discussed retrospectively Shabhaz and his treatment at the hands of pretty much everyone in the house towards him. The consensus has always been that, while Shabhaz was an irritating (probably mentally ill) bugger who would be a nightmare to live with, that it still didn't justify the way other HMs mocked, ridiculed, isolated, and, frankly, bullied him en masse.
While I wasn't a member, I did lurk on here during that period, and I remember views that were quite different while all this was taking place; that Shabhaz deserved to be hated and isolated, that what was happening wasn't really wrong. So what brought about the later change in opinion? Perhaps it was a case of 'wise after the event', where misguided loyalty to fave HMs who partook in the treatment towards him overrode common decency and it took a while for perspective to assert itself. Perhaps it was different posters offering views. In any case, Behaviour was, in general, being defended at the time which has since been, again, in general, condemned.
Now, nine years later, we have an almost identical situation to that in BB7. with Perez playing Shabhaz, and Katie/Michelle/Cami-Li playing Sezer and Richard, and most of the others playing more minor, but still compliant roles. I suppose Nadia would, in some respects, be George, that otherwise anonymous HM who has since gained respect on here for refusing, alone, to walk out of the living area on the orders of Richard or Sezer, when Shabhaz sat down.
And now, we have an almost identical situation on here too, where members who probably think of themselves as decent-minded people (including, no doubt, some who were among those to condemn the behaviour towards Shabhaz) find themselves defending the main instigators of the treatment towards Perez because, I would wager, their fan loyalty has again overridden common decency.
Just to make it clear, lest I'm accused of being a hardcore fan of Perez, I'm, not. I don't like him, as I didn't like Shabhaz. But, regardless of how I feel about an individual, I can't let that be a justification for the nasty, pack-like, school playground behaviour that we've all seen dished out to Perez.
While I wasn't a member, I did lurk on here during that period, and I remember views that were quite different while all this was taking place; that Shabhaz deserved to be hated and isolated, that what was happening wasn't really wrong. So what brought about the later change in opinion? Perhaps it was a case of 'wise after the event', where misguided loyalty to fave HMs who partook in the treatment towards him overrode common decency and it took a while for perspective to assert itself. Perhaps it was different posters offering views. In any case, Behaviour was, in general, being defended at the time which has since been, again, in general, condemned.
Now, nine years later, we have an almost identical situation to that in BB7. with Perez playing Shabhaz, and Katie/Michelle/Cami-Li playing Sezer and Richard, and most of the others playing more minor, but still compliant roles. I suppose Nadia would, in some respects, be George, that otherwise anonymous HM who has since gained respect on here for refusing, alone, to walk out of the living area on the orders of Richard or Sezer, when Shabhaz sat down.
And now, we have an almost identical situation on here too, where members who probably think of themselves as decent-minded people (including, no doubt, some who were among those to condemn the behaviour towards Shabhaz) find themselves defending the main instigators of the treatment towards Perez because, I would wager, their fan loyalty has again overridden common decency.
Just to make it clear, lest I'm accused of being a hardcore fan of Perez, I'm, not. I don't like him, as I didn't like Shabhaz. But, regardless of how I feel about an individual, I can't let that be a justification for the nasty, pack-like, school playground behaviour that we've all seen dished out to Perez.
Sometimes people are idiots and the fact that a lot agree and will not put up with it,and will even dish out a bit of verbal to the idiot is not bullying...
Originally Posted by Seveneyes:
“Sometimes people are idiots and the fact that a lot agree and will not put up with it,and will even dish out a bit of verbal to the idiot is not bullying...”
“Sometimes people are idiots and the fact that a lot agree and will not put up with it,and will even dish out a bit of verbal to the idiot is not bullying...”
Hmm...
Perez deserves everything he gets
He likes to dish it out but cannot take it without running to the DR
I for one will not forget his winding up Alexander
I do not like him at all (Im not going to say hate)
He likes to dish it out but cannot take it without running to the DR
I for one will not forget his winding up Alexander
I do not like him at all (Im not going to say hate)
Originally Posted by Radical Joe:
“Down the years, there's been various threads on here that have discussed retrospectively Shabhaz and his treatment at the hands of pretty much everyone in the house towards him. The consensus has always been that, while Shabhaz was an irritating (probably mentally ill) bugger who would be a nightmare to live with, that it still didn't justify the way other HMs mocked, ridiculed, isolated, and, frankly, bullied him en masse.
While I wasn't a member, I did lurk on here during that period, and I remember views that were quite different while all this was taking place; that Shabhaz deserved to be hated and isolated, that what was happening wasn't really wrong. So what brought about the later change in opinion? Perhaps it was a case of 'wise after the event', where misguided loyalty to fave HMs who partook in the treatment towards him overrode common decency and it took a while for perspective to assert itself. Perhaps it was different posters offering views. In any case, Behaviour was, in general, being defended at the time which has since been, again, in general, condemned.
Now, nine years later, we have an almost identical situation to that in BB7. with Perez playing Shabhaz, and Katie/Michelle/Cami-Li playing Sezer and Richard, and most of the others playing more minor, but still compliant roles. I suppose Nadia would, in some respects, be George, that otherwise anonymous HM who has since gained respect on here for refusing, alone, to walk out of the living area on the orders of Richard or Sezer, when Shabhaz sat down.
And now, we have an almost identical situation on here too, where members who probably think of themselves as decent-minded people (including, no doubt, some who were among those to condemn the behaviour towards Shabhaz) find themselves defending the main instigators of the treatment towards Perez because, I would wager, their fan loyalty has again overridden common decency.
Just to make it clear, lest I'm accused of being a hardcore fan of Perez, I'm, not. I don't like him, as I didn't like Shabhaz. But, regardless of how I feel about an individual, I can't let that be a justification for the nasty, pack-like, school playground behaviour that we've all seen dished out to Perez.”
“Down the years, there's been various threads on here that have discussed retrospectively Shabhaz and his treatment at the hands of pretty much everyone in the house towards him. The consensus has always been that, while Shabhaz was an irritating (probably mentally ill) bugger who would be a nightmare to live with, that it still didn't justify the way other HMs mocked, ridiculed, isolated, and, frankly, bullied him en masse.
While I wasn't a member, I did lurk on here during that period, and I remember views that were quite different while all this was taking place; that Shabhaz deserved to be hated and isolated, that what was happening wasn't really wrong. So what brought about the later change in opinion? Perhaps it was a case of 'wise after the event', where misguided loyalty to fave HMs who partook in the treatment towards him overrode common decency and it took a while for perspective to assert itself. Perhaps it was different posters offering views. In any case, Behaviour was, in general, being defended at the time which has since been, again, in general, condemned.
Now, nine years later, we have an almost identical situation to that in BB7. with Perez playing Shabhaz, and Katie/Michelle/Cami-Li playing Sezer and Richard, and most of the others playing more minor, but still compliant roles. I suppose Nadia would, in some respects, be George, that otherwise anonymous HM who has since gained respect on here for refusing, alone, to walk out of the living area on the orders of Richard or Sezer, when Shabhaz sat down.
And now, we have an almost identical situation on here too, where members who probably think of themselves as decent-minded people (including, no doubt, some who were among those to condemn the behaviour towards Shabhaz) find themselves defending the main instigators of the treatment towards Perez because, I would wager, their fan loyalty has again overridden common decency.
Just to make it clear, lest I'm accused of being a hardcore fan of Perez, I'm, not. I don't like him, as I didn't like Shabhaz. But, regardless of how I feel about an individual, I can't let that be a justification for the nasty, pack-like, school playground behaviour that we've all seen dished out to Perez.”
I just want to say this post is amazing. Very insightful.
It's so easy to get sucked into a pack mentality - there's strength in numbers after all and it's scary being the only one to stand up and be counted. I admire Nadia for doing so and I'm astonished that anyone can defend behaviour like we're seeing being directed towards Perez. Like him or not, ganging up against one person isn't big and it isn't clever. In fact, It's an extremely cowardly thing to do.
Originally Posted by Seveneyes:
“Me too
People taking hypotheticals and relating it to it actually happening and the 'scars' the abuse would leave,...next we will hear the naughty step is cruel and abusive..
Apparently Perez should be left to wind up everyone self admittedly on purpose to get people to leave,invent bullying scenarios and wail about it in the DR talking about Lawyers...,stand by someone's bed coughing just to keep them awake and wound up,..run around SAYING 'im entertaining',the producers fixed it to keep me in' 'i want to leave' ect ect.. And no one should say boo to him or try and wind HIM up...laughable.”
“Me too
People taking hypotheticals and relating it to it actually happening and the 'scars' the abuse would leave,...next we will hear the naughty step is cruel and abusive..
Apparently Perez should be left to wind up everyone self admittedly on purpose to get people to leave,invent bullying scenarios and wail about it in the DR talking about Lawyers...,stand by someone's bed coughing just to keep them awake and wound up,..run around SAYING 'im entertaining',the producers fixed it to keep me in' 'i want to leave' ect ect.. And no one should say boo to him or try and wind HIM up...laughable.”
Herein lies the problem with the Hopkins supporters. They see things only in black and white, just as Katie Hopkins does. They cannot grasp the simple concept that others might be looking at things from a different place. I was not posting as one of a Perez "tribe". Nowhere have I ever said that I am a fan of Perez. I was concerned that with attitudes and behaviour like hers, Katie Hopkins has responsibility for vulnerable children. She is already a vicious, spiteful, domineering person, and a deplorable role model.
It worries me that her arrogance, self-belief and conviction that she is always correct will be inflated by any perceived popularity, thus making life even more tough for her children.
Hopkins didn't say that if he was her child she'd put him on a naughty step for a limited period. THAT would have been funny. She said she'd lock him in a cupboard for the day. I believe her. From what I have seen on the programme I have no doubt she is capable of doing that to one of her children. How people can see such an odious personality as worthy of support is beyond me.
I wasn't on his side either but I see good qualities in him too now. He's not that bad he's just playing a game show. He is after all on his own now apart from Nadia who genuinely likes him. Those three especially Katie Hopkins and Kami li are targeting him non-stop and ganging up on him. They 'mean' two's are targeting someone who they think has a weak spot in the hose and that is not on.
I've been on his side for a while now too, Katie is just plain picking on him, bullying? well if kids in a school were acting like she is it would be classed as bullying 
Originally Posted by Salv*:
“Yes, he is irritating as hell, but what Hopkins and Cami are doing are much worse. He can't even walk into a room without them insulting him. He doesn't even need to say anything. This is what happened to Shilpa when she walked into a room with the girls in CBB5. But obviously, because Perez has been annoying, people are quick to put all the blame on him.
If Nadia was also against him, it would be exactly the same as BB7 in the first week with Shahbaz.
Perez is patronising, but he never rose to it or swore and raised his voice, whilst the others were calling him pathetic, disgusting, etc... until tonight with Cami, and it was a long time coming!
Also, the whole "if I was your child, I would kill myself" is getting a lot of hate. This is the sort of thing people have said on here, Twitter, Daily Mail comments etc... many times in the past. So are we not hypocritical to dislike him because of that? Also what about Hopkins, "at least I have two parents"?”
“Yes, he is irritating as hell, but what Hopkins and Cami are doing are much worse. He can't even walk into a room without them insulting him. He doesn't even need to say anything. This is what happened to Shilpa when she walked into a room with the girls in CBB5. But obviously, because Perez has been annoying, people are quick to put all the blame on him.
If Nadia was also against him, it would be exactly the same as BB7 in the first week with Shahbaz.
Perez is patronising, but he never rose to it or swore and raised his voice, whilst the others were calling him pathetic, disgusting, etc... until tonight with Cami, and it was a long time coming!
Also, the whole "if I was your child, I would kill myself" is getting a lot of hate. This is the sort of thing people have said on here, Twitter, Daily Mail comments etc... many times in the past. So are we not hypocritical to dislike him because of that? Also what about Hopkins, "at least I have two parents"?”
Sign me up!!
Originally Posted by Scarlet O'Hara:
“Katie said "if he were my child I'd lock him in the storeroom". Perez responded as her hypothetical child. The context of his comment was irrelevant to her actual children (unlike her comment about having two parents).
I don't think it came close to the abuse she's levelled at him every day for over a week. And I was amused at her and Cami's surprise and outrage when he finally bit back verbally instead of his usual blowing kisses petty stuff.
How dare he...abuse is obviously supposed to be a one-way transaction.”
“Katie said "if he were my child I'd lock him in the storeroom". Perez responded as her hypothetical child. The context of his comment was irrelevant to her actual children (unlike her comment about having two parents).
I don't think it came close to the abuse she's levelled at him every day for over a week. And I was amused at her and Cami's surprise and outrage when he finally bit back verbally instead of his usual blowing kisses petty stuff.
How dare he...abuse is obviously supposed to be a one-way transaction.”
Great post, though I fear your words are lost on quite a few. For some, anything Perez does is cause for him to be the devil incarnate.
Originally Posted by Flora_McDonald:
“Herein lies the problem with the Hopkins supporters. They see things only in black and white, just as Katie Hopkins does. They cannot grasp the simple concept that others might be looking at things from a different place. I was not posting as one of a Perez "tribe". Nowhere have I ever said that I am a fan of Perez. I was concerned that with attitudes and behaviour like hers, Katie Hopkins has responsibility for vulnerable children. She is also a deplorable role model.
It worries me that her arrogance, self-belief and conviction that she is always correct will be inflated by any perceived popularity.. Thus making life even more tough for children.
Hopkins didn't say that if he was her child she'd put him on a naughty step for a limited period. She said she'd lock him in a cupboard for the day. I believe her. From what I have seen on the programme I have no doubt she is capable of doing that to one of her children. How people can see such an odious personality as worthy of support is beyond me.”
“Herein lies the problem with the Hopkins supporters. They see things only in black and white, just as Katie Hopkins does. They cannot grasp the simple concept that others might be looking at things from a different place. I was not posting as one of a Perez "tribe". Nowhere have I ever said that I am a fan of Perez. I was concerned that with attitudes and behaviour like hers, Katie Hopkins has responsibility for vulnerable children. She is also a deplorable role model.
It worries me that her arrogance, self-belief and conviction that she is always correct will be inflated by any perceived popularity.. Thus making life even more tough for children.
Hopkins didn't say that if he was her child she'd put him on a naughty step for a limited period. She said she'd lock him in a cupboard for the day. I believe her. From what I have seen on the programme I have no doubt she is capable of doing that to one of her children. How people can see such an odious personality as worthy of support is beyond me.”
Maybe your complaints would be better targeted towards Social Services if you feel that strongly for her kids over a hypothetical throwaway line.
Maybe it's beyond you because you only see things in black and white.
Originally Posted by Radical Joe:
“Down the years, there's been various threads on here that have discussed retrospectively Shabhaz and his treatment at the hands of pretty much everyone in the house towards him. The consensus has always been that, while Shabhaz was an irritating (probably mentally ill) bugger who would be a nightmare to live with, that it still didn't justify the way other HMs mocked, ridiculed, isolated, and, frankly, bullied him en masse.
While I wasn't a member, I did lurk on here during that period, and I remember views that were quite different while all this was taking place; that Shabhaz deserved to be hated and isolated, that what was happening wasn't really wrong. So what brought about the later change in opinion? Perhaps it was a case of 'wise after the event', where misguided loyalty to fave HMs who partook in the treatment towards him overrode common decency and it took a while for perspective to assert itself. Perhaps it was different posters offering views. In any case, Behaviour was, in general, being defended at the time which has since been, again, in general, condemned.
Now, nine years later, we have an almost identical situation to that in BB7. with Perez playing Shabhaz, and Katie/Michelle/Cami-Li playing Sezer and Richard, and most of the others playing more minor, but still compliant roles. I suppose Nadia would, in some respects, be George, that otherwise anonymous HM who has since gained respect on here for refusing, alone, to walk out of the living area on the orders of Richard or Sezer, when Shabhaz sat down.
And now, we have an almost identical situation on here too, where members who probably think of themselves as decent-minded people (including, no doubt, some who were among those to condemn the behaviour towards Shabhaz) find themselves defending the main instigators of the treatment towards Perez because, I would wager, their fan loyalty has again overridden common decency.
Just to make it clear, lest I'm accused of being a hardcore fan of Perez, I'm, not. I don't like him, as I didn't like Shabhaz. But, regardless of how I feel about an individual, I can't let that be a justification for the nasty, pack-like, school playground behaviour that we've all seen dished out to Perez.”
“Down the years, there's been various threads on here that have discussed retrospectively Shabhaz and his treatment at the hands of pretty much everyone in the house towards him. The consensus has always been that, while Shabhaz was an irritating (probably mentally ill) bugger who would be a nightmare to live with, that it still didn't justify the way other HMs mocked, ridiculed, isolated, and, frankly, bullied him en masse.
While I wasn't a member, I did lurk on here during that period, and I remember views that were quite different while all this was taking place; that Shabhaz deserved to be hated and isolated, that what was happening wasn't really wrong. So what brought about the later change in opinion? Perhaps it was a case of 'wise after the event', where misguided loyalty to fave HMs who partook in the treatment towards him overrode common decency and it took a while for perspective to assert itself. Perhaps it was different posters offering views. In any case, Behaviour was, in general, being defended at the time which has since been, again, in general, condemned.
Now, nine years later, we have an almost identical situation to that in BB7. with Perez playing Shabhaz, and Katie/Michelle/Cami-Li playing Sezer and Richard, and most of the others playing more minor, but still compliant roles. I suppose Nadia would, in some respects, be George, that otherwise anonymous HM who has since gained respect on here for refusing, alone, to walk out of the living area on the orders of Richard or Sezer, when Shabhaz sat down.
And now, we have an almost identical situation on here too, where members who probably think of themselves as decent-minded people (including, no doubt, some who were among those to condemn the behaviour towards Shabhaz) find themselves defending the main instigators of the treatment towards Perez because, I would wager, their fan loyalty has again overridden common decency.
Just to make it clear, lest I'm accused of being a hardcore fan of Perez, I'm, not. I don't like him, as I didn't like Shabhaz. But, regardless of how I feel about an individual, I can't let that be a justification for the nasty, pack-like, school playground behaviour that we've all seen dished out to Perez.”
Well said. I felt the same way about Shabaz. Did I like him? No. It was clear he had issues and was being frustrating beyond belief. But the ignorance and lack of empathy from the housemates (in seemingly not recognising he had serious issues, or not caring that he had) I found far more frustrating - and any annoying behaviour he was guilty of didn't come close to the nasty, bullying behaviour toward him.
For me there are different levels to bad behaviour. You don't have to be team Perez. in fact it's quite easy to find Perez attention seeking, annoying, self-obsessed and not like him much because of it, while still believing that nasty, mean spirited behaviour designed only to hurt and demean people (and not only Perez) is worse. The enjoyment some people take in seeing others being insulted, demeaned, mocked and isolated is vile to watch no matter if it's Alicia, or Patsy, or Perez. And being narcissistic and annoying doesn't make it less vile.
I had a horrible feeling that this would happen when I watched Fridays nights CBB – people feeling sorry for Perez. How short people’s memories are.
For nearly two weeks he acted atrociously, did his utmost to irritate the other housemates and unsurprisingly they got irritated.
He purposely targeted Alexander, goading him until he finally cracked and said an unacceptable word. Perez had a huge grin on his face, announced how offended he was then kept going to the diary room to say he was afraid for his life.
Alex was so wound up he clearly left before doing something he would regret – Perez caused that.
Have we forgotten that Perez suggested to Cammi Li that she act like a lesbian with Chloe to get votes – and she doesn’t want anything to do with him – not exactly surprising.
Then he hears “get Perez out” and transforms over night.
I don’t particularly agree with the way Katie H and Cammi Li are reacting, especially as they are playing right into his hands, but it is justified. Accusing them of bullying is akin to accusing the prison service bullying a convicted criminal – he is reaping the rewards of his actions and he isn’t even repentant about what he has done.
If you poke a tiger on the nose you can’t claim to be bullied when it bites your hand off.
He is a narcissist and refuses to take any responsibility for his actions in fact he doesn’t even recognise that he has done anything wrong.
Oh and just to add a slight aside; saying someone will be “usefull” is pretty much saying you are going to use them, to argue it’s is not is just semantics.
For nearly two weeks he acted atrociously, did his utmost to irritate the other housemates and unsurprisingly they got irritated.
He purposely targeted Alexander, goading him until he finally cracked and said an unacceptable word. Perez had a huge grin on his face, announced how offended he was then kept going to the diary room to say he was afraid for his life.
Alex was so wound up he clearly left before doing something he would regret – Perez caused that.
Have we forgotten that Perez suggested to Cammi Li that she act like a lesbian with Chloe to get votes – and she doesn’t want anything to do with him – not exactly surprising.
Then he hears “get Perez out” and transforms over night.
I don’t particularly agree with the way Katie H and Cammi Li are reacting, especially as they are playing right into his hands, but it is justified. Accusing them of bullying is akin to accusing the prison service bullying a convicted criminal – he is reaping the rewards of his actions and he isn’t even repentant about what he has done.
If you poke a tiger on the nose you can’t claim to be bullied when it bites your hand off.
He is a narcissist and refuses to take any responsibility for his actions in fact he doesn’t even recognise that he has done anything wrong.
Oh and just to add a slight aside; saying someone will be “usefull” is pretty much saying you are going to use them, to argue it’s is not is just semantics.
Originally Posted by Monty_Brewster:
“Perez called Cami-Li a bitch. He then also made the comment about the kids. Katie and Cami Li never stoop to that level.”
“Perez called Cami-Li a bitch. He then also made the comment about the kids. Katie and Cami Li never stoop to that level.”
Cami did stoop that low! She told Perez in a previous episode that she felt sorry for his child.
Originally Posted by Kay2000:
“Cami did stoop that low! She told Perez in a previous episode that she felt sorry for his child.”
“Cami did stoop that low! She told Perez in a previous episode that she felt sorry for his child.”
Let's not forget what she said to Alicia about her family too.
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