the difference is:

Nadia talks behind Katie H's back because she does not want to give her any air time
Katie H talks behind Nadia's back because she's a poisonous bully

End of the story

The poster's recognising your mean spirited post though !
This is not 'my' thread , it's just an opinion open for discussion, so feel free. I believe Nadia has been two faced and it's pot kettle black with her calling Katie two faced -we've even seen Nadia bitching about her in the toilets to Patsy, that is a fact, so excuse her and pretend that didn't happen all you want. I've justified the reason for the thread, so discuss it or don't, but getting 'personal' isn't getting anywhere or generating discussion is it. I am allowed to like some HMs over others by the way , ok ,most on here do. This thread had drifted away, but you brought it back adding no comment about the topic, but just to insult.

No, Nadia keeps saying that, but it's a load of old crap. Nadia just doesn't want to be seen as a back stabbing hypocrite, but unfortunately most of us already know that she is.

She's the only one that came into the house with a grudge - enough said.

KH made a valid observation!! KP has been in her "honeymoon period", first few days, not a problem, yes everyones bezzie mate, THEN the rot sets in, you start to feel niggled at others habits, they start getting on your nerves and THEN the cracks start to show, it happens to the best of them.

Every Hm ever has slagged people off in the DR, why point out only KH?

I agree with you. It was Nadia that turned Perez into a victim, after he heard the crowds booing and Katie Price came in the house, he suddenly changed. Then with regards Keith, I noticed how she kept going on about Keith being 'HER' friend and also telling Keith that Katie H. is the most two faced in the house, funny the task did not share her views. She is playing them all and Alexander O'Neil was pretty quick to realise that Nadia was the biggest stirrer. What would Nadia do if Perez and Katie H actually sorted out their differences? It is her who has the problem with Katie H. and just using Perez to hide behind. In my opinion.

Repeatedly calling someone a bully doesn't make it so.

I don't get this bitching argument, are we not all bitching by talking about them all ? and isn't it normal to talk about people you live with when you need to form alliances to play the game ?

I think some do it more than others but it would be unusual to find anyone who has never done it at all.

Very perceptive,-- i'd actually forgotten about Alexander saying that - and I did notice the vocalising from Nadia about Keith and that they're old friends and when she said to Katie that she'd hurt Keith , "who's a really good friend" .........it was a bit sickly and said for whose benefit ?..... she wants the viewers to hear that although they've seen her side with Perez , the loon and troublemaker of the house,.........she's also good friends and close to the potential winner nice guy household name Keith too !-- to redeem herself maybe, (and as she's been made aware that Katie H is favourite and she's been arguing with her.)

Nadia was also very worried on hearing those boos from the crowd , saying that in her 30 year career or something ......she'd NEVER been booed. I think she's very competitive and she knows the only other woman whose as opinionated and strong minded in that house other than her....., is Katie H, .....so she's her competition !! ...and she even said she didn't make eye contact with Katie for the first 10 days !! Nadia went into that House with a preconceived opinion on Katie and hasn't given her the time of day, or made any efforts to get to know her or give her a chance, so her opinion of Katie has not changed.

But from what i've seen, Katie on the other hand has said a few times, that her and Nadia would 'get on' if it wasn't for Perez being in the House - , and I saw Katie's face when Nadia had a go at her about Perez and Katie looked like she was confused by Nadia's inability to see through Perez and her stance that his behaviour is ok

-----and one example was when Katie pointed out to Nadia that Perez had said "I'd kill myself if I was your child", ...........and Nadia didn't blink. In fact, Nadia smiled and laughed and said "He's not my child",---but that wasn't the point at all. The point was that Katie was appealing to Nadia as a mother , being on the receiving end of such a comment.

For those reasons- I think Katie is the bigger person for tolerating Nadia and her rudeness the way she has, and for not losing her rag and patience with her, like Nadia has with her .

Er....if you scroll back, you will see that YOU were the first to insult me with my name. Yes?

I have more than adequately addressed your one dimensional comment about Nadia talking about Hopkins in the toilet with Patsy. You choose to overlook the very noble reason for her doing that which speaks volumes about you. Not everyone wants to stoop to Hopkins' level.

It's interesting that you seek to disown this thread that you started....is it proving a source of embarassment to you? Yes of course you are 'allowed' to support whosoever you choose - that's obvious - but you have no interest in adjusting your perception of Nadia in the light of so many posts here showing how you have not got the full picture. Time to take stock perhaps?

Behaving in a bullying way does therefore she is.

I couldn't agree less.

Nice spin. If Perez and Katie H sorted out their differences I think Nadia and the other few adults in the house would put the flags out and be able to relax,

Good grief.

I'm NOT overlooking 'anything' and why attack the poster and not comment on the post, or just don't reply if you've nothing to say...........and I'm also NOT disowning a thread, .you're misunderstanding what I said - - I said it's not MY thread .......meaning that anyone can add to the discussion ........I just put an opinion out there to talk about. You do take things very seriously.

And why should I change my perception of Nadia ? I have my own mind thanks ! And I do have the full picture.

Can someone name anyone who's never been two faced on this planet? I know I can't. Some will say what they've said behind someone's back also to their face, some don't. But every human at some point is two faced in their lives.

oh so true
but this is in the BB house. Nadia can't make statements about others when she's doing the same thing herself - it's human nature as you say after all, and the DR is where they can all go and vent about everyone, but we saw Nadia tell Keith too, that Katie H was two faced, and with such venom the way she said it. But I think Keith makes up his own mind, and he gets on with Katie, so it made Nadia look like the gossiping bitchy one.

In a nutshell!!

Nadia has spoiled her time in the house and it's nobody's fault but her own. She went in with the idea she would stand 'against' Katie H and she has, much to her detriment.

I'm over Nadia now...she's made her bed now she can lie in it.

Also sandy50 I'm with you about FMs making up names for HMs...makes them look silly and I can't take what they say seriously. I normally roll my eyes and move to the next post.

Great post she needed to remove her blinkers before she went into the House just like Katy P and Michelle admitted that they did. She could have won this if she was less obsessed.

Sorry, but it's not your story to end.

Nadia talks behind Katie H's back because she doesn't want to have a 1 to 1 confrontation with her. She and Perez have spent lots of time avoiding her and not engaging her...shame because it only made them look like cowards. The first time Nadia spoke up to Katie H was the debate task and that was structured, but when things got hot Nadia was off and out of there.

Katie H talks behind Nadia's back because Nadia is normally avoiding and not engaging with her.

Nadia sadly has wasted an opportunity and I'm sorry about that. I really liked her at the start, but she's slowly worn me down and I have no hope for her in the house now.

Katie H for the win!

Budge up Mollipops I am sitting with you on this. If we only ever said things to people's faces the world would fall very silent and TV etc wouldn't happen.

But I don't really go along with the validity of the opening premise of this thread. To paraphrase, the opening post seems to be pointing to an inconsistency between Nadia choosing Katie H as most two faced while she (Nadia) herself talks behind Katie's back. The inference being that Nadia is being somehow hypocritical by doing what she judges Katie to be doing.

In the first place Nadia considering Katie H to be the MOST two faced is not a denial that she (Nadia) isn't also guilty of two faced ness. She doesn't deny that she might exhibit this trait she only said that it is something that Katie does more than the others.

But I don't see why Nadia talking behind Katie's back falls under the definition of being two faced. To me a two faced person is one who pretends to like someone and behaves like a friend, while at the same time being distinctly unfriendly and making it clear to others that they don't like them at all.

Nadia has made no pretence of liking Katie. Since the start of the series she put it out there and told Katie H straight that she didn't much care for her and everything Katie stood for was in direct opposition to her (Nadia's) values. She has been totally clear throughout (possibly to the extent that it has made her view of Katie H blinkered - but that's another issue entirely). that she (Nadia) doesn't like Katie H.

I haven't seen any evidence of her pretending to like or be friends with Katie H. Nadia tolerates her, she is civil and makes an effort to rub along with her for the duration of their incarceration together. But that's what grown ups do. Most are pragmatic enough to realise that carving lumps out of each other at every opportunity is self destructive.

She talks behind Katie's back for sure but this is a person she makes no pretence of liking. So for that reason talking behind the back of someone you overtly dislike is fair enough.. Isn't it?

Ive gone right off nadia!

Great post

What a light-inducing post. A change from all the heat. I don't watch this show, and I don't care to even know who these UK celebrities are. But I enjoy mature pragmatism when I see it, and have chucked at some of the opposite I've seen here too. So, while the TV show doesn't interest me at all, the discussion interests me sufficiently to take a bit of an interest

Funny many are now saying that about Hopkins, e.g. especially since she is part of a bitchy double act of late with Cami.

Ah yes... well done! You have succinctly said what I failed to adequately captivate. Nail on the head!