Cannot STAND Nadia......backing Katie Hopkins all the way 
Nadia has bitched about Katie H behind her back - double standards going on
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Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“Budge up Mollipops I am sitting with you on this. If we only ever said things to people's faces the world would fall very silent and TV etc wouldn't happen.
But I don't really go along with the validity of the opening premise of this thread. To paraphrase, the opening post seems to be pointing to an inconsistency between Nadia choosing Katie H as most two faced while she (Nadia) herself talks behind Katie's back. The inference being that Nadia is being somehow hypocritical by doing what she judges Katie to be doing.
In the first place Nadia considering Katie H to be the MOST two faced is not a denial that she (Nadia) isn't also guilty of two faced ness. She doesn't deny that she might exhibit this trait she only said that it is something that Katie does more than the others.
But I don't see why Nadia talking behind Katie's back falls under the definition of being two faced. To me a two faced person is one who pretends to like someone and behaves like a friend, while at the same time being distinctly unfriendly and making it clear to others that they don't like them at all.
Nadia has made no pretence of liking Katie. Since the start of the series she put it out there and told Katie H straight that she didn't much care for her and everything Katie stood for was in direct opposition to her (Nadia's) values. She has been totally clear throughout (possibly to the extent that it has made her view of Katie H blinkered - but that's another issue entirely). that she (Nadia) doesn't like Katie H.
I haven't seen any evidence of her pretending to like or be friends with Katie H. Nadia tolerates her, she is civil and makes an effort to rub along with her for the duration of their incarceration together. But that's what grown ups do. Most are pragmatic enough to realise that carving lumps out of each other at every opportunity is self destructive.
She talks behind Katie's back for sure but this is a person she makes no pretence of liking. So for that reason talking behind the back of someone you overtly dislike is fair enough.. Isn't it?”
“Budge up Mollipops I am sitting with you on this.
If we only ever said things to people's faces the world would fall very silent and TV etc wouldn't happen. But I don't really go along with the validity of the opening premise of this thread. To paraphrase, the opening post seems to be pointing to an inconsistency between Nadia choosing Katie H as most two faced while she (Nadia) herself talks behind Katie's back. The inference being that Nadia is being somehow hypocritical by doing what she judges Katie to be doing.
In the first place Nadia considering Katie H to be the MOST two faced is not a denial that she (Nadia) isn't also guilty of two faced ness. She doesn't deny that she might exhibit this trait she only said that it is something that Katie does more than the others.
But I don't see why Nadia talking behind Katie's back falls under the definition of being two faced. To me a two faced person is one who pretends to like someone and behaves like a friend, while at the same time being distinctly unfriendly and making it clear to others that they don't like them at all.
Nadia has made no pretence of liking Katie. Since the start of the series she put it out there and told Katie H straight that she didn't much care for her and everything Katie stood for was in direct opposition to her (Nadia's) values. She has been totally clear throughout (possibly to the extent that it has made her view of Katie H blinkered - but that's another issue entirely). that she (Nadia) doesn't like Katie H.
I haven't seen any evidence of her pretending to like or be friends with Katie H. Nadia tolerates her, she is civil and makes an effort to rub along with her for the duration of their incarceration together. But that's what grown ups do. Most are pragmatic enough to realise that carving lumps out of each other at every opportunity is self destructive.
She talks behind Katie's back for sure but this is a person she makes no pretence of liking. So for that reason talking behind the back of someone you overtly dislike is fair enough.. Isn't it?”
*Applause*. More! More!
Originally Posted by LynGregory:
“Cannot STAND Nadia......backing Katie Hopkins all the way”
“Cannot STAND Nadia......backing Katie Hopkins all the way
”
Funny that I feel the opposite....Katie H not for me. Love Nadia. x
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“Budge up Mollipops I am sitting with you on this. If we only ever said things to people's faces the world would fall very silent and TV etc wouldn't happen.
But I don't really go along with the validity of the opening premise of this thread. To paraphrase, the opening post seems to be pointing to an inconsistency between Nadia choosing Katie H as most two faced while she (Nadia) herself talks behind Katie's back. The inference being that Nadia is being somehow hypocritical by doing what she judges Katie to be doing.
In the first place Nadia considering Katie H to be the MOST two faced is not a denial that she (Nadia) isn't also guilty of two faced ness. She doesn't deny that she might exhibit this trait she only said that it is something that Katie does more than the others.
But I don't see why Nadia talking behind Katie's back falls under the definition of being two faced. To me a two faced person is one who pretends to like someone and behaves like a friend, while at the same time being distinctly unfriendly and making it clear to others that they don't like them at all.
Nadia has made no pretence of liking Katie. Since the start of the series she put it out there and told Katie H straight that she didn't much care for her and everything Katie stood for was in direct opposition to her (Nadia's) values. She has been totally clear throughout (possibly to the extent that it has made her view of Katie H blinkered - but that's another issue entirely). that she (Nadia) doesn't like Katie H.
I haven't seen any evidence of her pretending to like or be friends with Katie H. Nadia tolerates her, she is civil and makes an effort to rub along with her for the duration of their incarceration together. But that's what grown ups do. Most are pragmatic enough to realise that carving lumps out of each other at every opportunity is self destructive.
She talks behind Katie's back for sure but this is a person she makes no pretence of liking. So for that reason talking behind the back of someone you overtly dislike is fair enough.. Isn't it?”
“Budge up Mollipops I am sitting with you on this.
If we only ever said things to people's faces the world would fall very silent and TV etc wouldn't happen. But I don't really go along with the validity of the opening premise of this thread. To paraphrase, the opening post seems to be pointing to an inconsistency between Nadia choosing Katie H as most two faced while she (Nadia) herself talks behind Katie's back. The inference being that Nadia is being somehow hypocritical by doing what she judges Katie to be doing.
In the first place Nadia considering Katie H to be the MOST two faced is not a denial that she (Nadia) isn't also guilty of two faced ness. She doesn't deny that she might exhibit this trait she only said that it is something that Katie does more than the others.
But I don't see why Nadia talking behind Katie's back falls under the definition of being two faced. To me a two faced person is one who pretends to like someone and behaves like a friend, while at the same time being distinctly unfriendly and making it clear to others that they don't like them at all.
Nadia has made no pretence of liking Katie. Since the start of the series she put it out there and told Katie H straight that she didn't much care for her and everything Katie stood for was in direct opposition to her (Nadia's) values. She has been totally clear throughout (possibly to the extent that it has made her view of Katie H blinkered - but that's another issue entirely). that she (Nadia) doesn't like Katie H.
I haven't seen any evidence of her pretending to like or be friends with Katie H. Nadia tolerates her, she is civil and makes an effort to rub along with her for the duration of their incarceration together. But that's what grown ups do. Most are pragmatic enough to realise that carving lumps out of each other at every opportunity is self destructive.
She talks behind Katie's back for sure but this is a person she makes no pretence of liking. So for that reason talking behind the back of someone you overtly dislike is fair enough.. Isn't it?”
brilliant post
Originally Posted by mz fit:
“Sorry, but it's not your story to end.
Nadia talks behind Katie H's back because she doesn't want to have a 1 to 1 confrontation with her. She and Perez have spent lots of time avoiding her and not engaging her...shame because it only made them look like cowards. The first time Nadia spoke up to Katie H was the debate task and that was structured, but when things got hot Nadia was off and out of there.
Katie H talks behind Nadia's back because Nadia is normally avoiding and not engaging with her.
Nadia sadly has wasted an opportunity and I'm sorry about that. I really liked her at the start, but she's slowly worn me down and I have no hope for her in the house now.
Katie H for the win!”
“Sorry, but it's not your story to end.
Nadia talks behind Katie H's back because she doesn't want to have a 1 to 1 confrontation with her. She and Perez have spent lots of time avoiding her and not engaging her...shame because it only made them look like cowards. The first time Nadia spoke up to Katie H was the debate task and that was structured, but when things got hot Nadia was off and out of there.
Katie H talks behind Nadia's back because Nadia is normally avoiding and not engaging with her.
Nadia sadly has wasted an opportunity and I'm sorry about that. I really liked her at the start, but she's slowly worn me down and I have no hope for her in the house now.
Katie H for the win!”
Great post.
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“Budge up Mollipops I am sitting with you on this. If we only ever said things to people's faces the world would fall very silent and TV etc wouldn't happen.
But I don't really go along with the validity of the opening premise of this thread. To paraphrase, the opening post seems to be pointing to an inconsistency between Nadia choosing Katie H as most two faced while she (Nadia) herself talks behind Katie's back. The inference being that Nadia is being somehow hypocritical by doing what she judges Katie to be doing.
In the first place Nadia considering Katie H to be the MOST two faced is not a denial that she (Nadia) isn't also guilty of two faced ness. She doesn't deny that she might exhibit this trait she only said that it is something that Katie does more than the others.
But I don't see why Nadia talking behind Katie's back falls under the definition of being two faced. To me a two faced person is one who pretends to like someone and behaves like a friend, while at the same time being distinctly unfriendly and making it clear to others that they don't like them at all.
Nadia has made no pretence of liking Katie. Since the start of the series she put it out there and told Katie H straight that she didn't much care for her and everything Katie stood for was in direct opposition to her (Nadia's) values. She has been totally clear throughout (possibly to the extent that it has made her view of Katie H blinkered - but that's another issue entirely). that she (Nadia) doesn't like Katie H.
I haven't seen any evidence of her pretending to like or be friends with Katie H. Nadia tolerates her, she is civil and makes an effort to rub along with her for the duration of their incarceration together. But that's what grown ups do. Most are pragmatic enough to realise that carving lumps out of each other at every opportunity is self destructive.
She talks behind Katie's back for sure but this is a person she makes no pretence of liking. So for that reason talking behind the back of someone you overtly dislike is fair enough.. Isn't it?”
“Budge up Mollipops I am sitting with you on this.
If we only ever said things to people's faces the world would fall very silent and TV etc wouldn't happen. But I don't really go along with the validity of the opening premise of this thread. To paraphrase, the opening post seems to be pointing to an inconsistency between Nadia choosing Katie H as most two faced while she (Nadia) herself talks behind Katie's back. The inference being that Nadia is being somehow hypocritical by doing what she judges Katie to be doing.
In the first place Nadia considering Katie H to be the MOST two faced is not a denial that she (Nadia) isn't also guilty of two faced ness. She doesn't deny that she might exhibit this trait she only said that it is something that Katie does more than the others.
But I don't see why Nadia talking behind Katie's back falls under the definition of being two faced. To me a two faced person is one who pretends to like someone and behaves like a friend, while at the same time being distinctly unfriendly and making it clear to others that they don't like them at all.
Nadia has made no pretence of liking Katie. Since the start of the series she put it out there and told Katie H straight that she didn't much care for her and everything Katie stood for was in direct opposition to her (Nadia's) values. She has been totally clear throughout (possibly to the extent that it has made her view of Katie H blinkered - but that's another issue entirely). that she (Nadia) doesn't like Katie H.
I haven't seen any evidence of her pretending to like or be friends with Katie H. Nadia tolerates her, she is civil and makes an effort to rub along with her for the duration of their incarceration together. But that's what grown ups do. Most are pragmatic enough to realise that carving lumps out of each other at every opportunity is self destructive.
She talks behind Katie's back for sure but this is a person she makes no pretence of liking. So for that reason talking behind the back of someone you overtly dislike is fair enough.. Isn't it?”
Very well said!
I will add, Perez being voted the most two faced in the house was the most inaccurate result of this series!
Originally Posted by anne_666:
“Very well said!
I will add, Perez being voted the most two faced in the house was the most inaccurate result of this series!”
“Very well said!
I will add, Perez being voted the most two faced in the house was the most inaccurate result of this series!
”
It's a bit like the Helen Vs Ashleigh war though. Whichever group of fans or detractors 'have the numbers' seem to vote in all the negative categories regardless of the reality.
Originally Posted by dome:
“Apparently 'Saint' Nadia can do no wrong.”
“Apparently 'Saint' Nadia can do no wrong.”
None of us who like her are calling her that....is someone with integrity and who has been shown to be a peacemaker (e.g. the clean slate) a saint then?
Originally Posted by dome:
“Apparently 'Saint' Nadia can do no wrong.”
“Apparently 'Saint' Nadia can do no wrong.”
It is a really funny one to observe I have to admit- you seem to have sets of fans who will berate one or two house-mates but seem to struggle to be able to do similar with their own very flawed favourites.
Nadia isn't the worst one in there but she certainly seems to have a plethora of faults that some seem more than happy to totally overlook/ excuse.
I can't say I'm hugely surprised. For some, I suspect a free set of blinkers were handed out in the 'Nadia's a saint' fan club membership pack.
Originally Posted by Diabolus:
“It is a really funny one to observe I have to admit- you seem to have sets of fans who will berate one or two house-mates but seem to struggle to be able to do similar with their own very flawed favourites.
Nadia isn't the worst one in there but she certainly seems to have a plethora of faults that some seem more than happy to totally overlook/ excuse.
I can't say I'm hugely surprised. For some, I suspect a free set of blinkers were handed out in the 'Nadia's a saint' fan club membership pack.”
“It is a really funny one to observe I have to admit- you seem to have sets of fans who will berate one or two house-mates but seem to struggle to be able to do similar with their own very flawed favourites.
Nadia isn't the worst one in there but she certainly seems to have a plethora of faults that some seem more than happy to totally overlook/ excuse.
I can't say I'm hugely surprised. For some, I suspect a free set of blinkers were handed out in the 'Nadia's a saint' fan club membership pack.”
Well-said
I really wanted to like her and did do before she went in there, but just like Carol McGiffin before her - I find that I can't stand her now.
Rather than going in there and trying to enjoy her experience (which credit to her - at least the McGiff seemed to do that) she's decided that it's her role in there to mind everyone........and their business.
'Having a friendly word' isn't enough for Nadia. Oh no. She feels the need to tell people over and over again what she thinks they should (or shouldn't) be doing.
'Just go to bed now Kav' 'Kav - just go to bed' 'Bed now Kav' I mean ffs - how old is he?
If he wants to make a complete drunken arse of himself on national telly - isn't that up to him? Where are we supposed to get our jollies from with her hoovering-up all the fun (or potential for it) with her disapproving presence?
I thought she'd be sensible and measured but discovered that she's the kind of idiot who'd call the police over nonsense.
I thought she'd be able to rise above Katie Gobshite's old bollocks but find that her entire existence has become defined by her 'stance' against the Trollish One and all it's doing is making her (Nadia) look old and haggard.
Another thing she has in common with Carol McGiffin, IMO, is that she will watch herself back with a mixture of embarrassment and horror.
Originally Posted by Bunions:
“Well-said
I really wanted to like her and did do before she went in there, but just like Carol McGiffin before her - I find that I can't stand her now.
Rather than going in there and trying to enjoy her experience (which credit to her - at least the McGiff seemed to do that) she's decided that it's her role in there to mind everyone........and their business.
'Having a friendly word' isn't enough for Nadia. Oh no. She feels the need to tell people over and over again what she thinks they should (or shouldn't) be doing.
'Just go to bed now Kav' 'Kav - just go to bed' 'Bed now Kav' I mean ffs - how old is he?
If he wants to make a complete drunken arse of himself on national telly - isn't that up to him? Where are we supposed to get our jollies from with her hoovering-up all the fun (or potential for it) with her disapproving presence?
I thought she'd be sensible and measured but discovered that she's the kind of idiot who'd call the police over nonsense.
I thought she'd be able to rise above Katie Gobshite's old bollocks but find that her entire existence has become defined by her 'stance' against the Trollish One and all it's doing is making her (Nadia) look old and haggard.
Another thing she has in common with Carol McGiffin, IMO, is that she will watch herself back with a mixture of embarrassment and horror.”
“Well-said
I really wanted to like her and did do before she went in there, but just like Carol McGiffin before her - I find that I can't stand her now.
Rather than going in there and trying to enjoy her experience (which credit to her - at least the McGiff seemed to do that) she's decided that it's her role in there to mind everyone........and their business.
'Having a friendly word' isn't enough for Nadia. Oh no. She feels the need to tell people over and over again what she thinks they should (or shouldn't) be doing.
'Just go to bed now Kav' 'Kav - just go to bed' 'Bed now Kav' I mean ffs - how old is he?
If he wants to make a complete drunken arse of himself on national telly - isn't that up to him? Where are we supposed to get our jollies from with her hoovering-up all the fun (or potential for it) with her disapproving presence?
I thought she'd be sensible and measured but discovered that she's the kind of idiot who'd call the police over nonsense.
I thought she'd be able to rise above Katie Gobshite's old bollocks but find that her entire existence has become defined by her 'stance' against the Trollish One and all it's doing is making her (Nadia) look old and haggard.
Another thing she has in common with Carol McGiffin, IMO, is that she will watch herself back with a mixture of embarrassment and horror.”
Ha ha thanks.
I think this seems totally balanced and reasoned, and I totally include the bit about Katie Gobsh*te's b*******, so fair play to you.
I've seen many threads berating Hopkins for claiming (and I don't actually totally believe her but that's for another day) that she only sees things in black and white. Looks like she's not the only one.
Nadia isn't as bad as some on here make out but she's most definitely not as 'good' as others make out either. Not even close. There are good and bad points with all of us I would say but reading some threads/ posts you'd perhaps not believe it.
I'd imagine Kavana and I aren't that dissimilar in age and I'd be pretty shocked if a grown woman talked to me as Nadia does. I suspect she'd only do it once with me though..
Originally Posted by Diabolus:
“Ha ha thanks.
I think this seems totally balanced and reasoned, and I totally include the bit about Katie Gobsh*te's b*******, so fair play to you.
I've seen many threads berating Hopkins for claiming (and I don't actually totally believe her but that's for another day) that she only sees things in black and white. Looks like she's not the only one.
Nadia isn't as bad as some on here make out but she's most definitely not as 'good' as others make out either. Not even close. There are good and bad points with all of us I would say but reading some threads/ posts you'd perhaps not believe it.
I'd imagine Kavana and I aren't that dissimilar in age and I'd be pretty shocked if a grown woman talked to me as Nadia does. I suspect she'd only do it once with me though..”
“Ha ha thanks.
I think this seems totally balanced and reasoned, and I totally include the bit about Katie Gobsh*te's b*******, so fair play to you.
I've seen many threads berating Hopkins for claiming (and I don't actually totally believe her but that's for another day) that she only sees things in black and white. Looks like she's not the only one.
Nadia isn't as bad as some on here make out but she's most definitely not as 'good' as others make out either. Not even close. There are good and bad points with all of us I would say but reading some threads/ posts you'd perhaps not believe it.
I'd imagine Kavana and I aren't that dissimilar in age and I'd be pretty shocked if a grown woman talked to me as Nadia does. I suspect she'd only do it once with me though..
”
What's the Forum Rule No1?
DNFTT
Nadia has given Katie Gobshite massive 'importance' by setting herself up as her nemesis.
Gobshite thrives on the drama that ensues after she's said something repellant - it's like oxygen for her.
Imagine the scenario of her gob having zero effect because Nadia (and others) refused to play her toxic game and ignored the ignorant witch?
Originally Posted by Bunions:
“What's the Forum Rule No1?
DNFTT
Nadia has given Katie Gobshite massive 'importance' by setting herself up as her nemesis.
Gobshite thrives on the drama that ensues after she's said something repellant - it's like oxygen for her.
Imagine the scenario of her gob having zero effect because Nadia (and others) refused to play her toxic game and ignored the ignorant witch?”
“What's the Forum Rule No1?
DNFTT
Nadia has given Katie Gobshite massive 'importance' by setting herself up as her nemesis.
Gobshite thrives on the drama that ensues after she's said something repellant - it's like oxygen for her.
Imagine the scenario of her gob having zero effect because Nadia (and others) refused to play her toxic game and ignored the ignorant witch?”
What if Nadia is being payed to do that?
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“...
But I don't really go along with the validity of the opening premise of this thread. To paraphrase, the opening post seems to be pointing to an inconsistency between Nadia choosing Katie H as most two faced while she (Nadia) herself talks behind Katie's back. The inference being that Nadia is being somehow hypocritical by doing what she judges Katie to be doing.
In the first place Nadia considering Katie H to be the MOST two faced is not a denial that she (Nadia) isn't also guilty of two faced ness. She doesn't deny that she might exhibit this trait she only said that it is something that Katie does more than the others. ”
“...
But I don't really go along with the validity of the opening premise of this thread. To paraphrase, the opening post seems to be pointing to an inconsistency between Nadia choosing Katie H as most two faced while she (Nadia) herself talks behind Katie's back. The inference being that Nadia is being somehow hypocritical by doing what she judges Katie to be doing.
In the first place Nadia considering Katie H to be the MOST two faced is not a denial that she (Nadia) isn't also guilty of two faced ness. She doesn't deny that she might exhibit this trait she only said that it is something that Katie does more than the others. ”
That doesn't stop it from being hypocrisy.
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“But I don't see why Nadia talking behind Katie's back falls under the definition of being two faced. To me a two faced person is one who pretends to like someone and behaves like a friend, while at the same time being distinctly unfriendly and making it clear to others that they don't like them at all.
...”
“But I don't see why Nadia talking behind Katie's back falls under the definition of being two faced. To me a two faced person is one who pretends to like someone and behaves like a friend, while at the same time being distinctly unfriendly and making it clear to others that they don't like them at all.
...”
I don't think being two-faced requires that one of the faces goes so far as pretending to like or behaving like a friend.
Originally Posted by open heart:
“It seems to be that on this site, Nadia's damned if she does stop the arguments and damned if she doesn't. Poor woman can't win.
...”
“It seems to be that on this site, Nadia's damned if she does stop the arguments and damned if she doesn't. Poor woman can't win.
...”
It happens the other way too. She's praised if she stops an argument, and she's praised as being "mature", for "not rising to the bait", etc, even if she bitches behind backs in the toilet instead. Seems she can't lose.
Originally Posted by Diabolus:
“It is a really funny one to observe I have to admit- you seem to have sets of fans who will berate one or two house-mates but seem to struggle to be able to do similar with their own very flawed favourites.
Nadia isn't the worst one in there but she certainly seems to have a plethora of faults that some seem more than happy to totally overlook/ excuse.
I can't say I'm hugely surprised. For some, I suspect a free set of blinkers were handed out in the 'Nadia's a saint' fan club membership pack.”
“It is a really funny one to observe I have to admit- you seem to have sets of fans who will berate one or two house-mates but seem to struggle to be able to do similar with their own very flawed favourites.
Nadia isn't the worst one in there but she certainly seems to have a plethora of faults that some seem more than happy to totally overlook/ excuse.
I can't say I'm hugely surprised. For some, I suspect a free set of blinkers were handed out in the 'Nadia's a saint' fan club membership pack.”
I have experienced this very club myself. Whilst I struggle to find a fav I have found myself accussed of being a Katie H fan because I dare to say anything negative about Nadia. Yes I found some of my posts appear to be defending Katie H but this is usually due to a situation with Nadia. I am merely giving my perepective on that particular incident. It does get quite tiresome.
It also appears that those club members excuse or justify Perez's behaviour as he is Nadia's project in there as she needs to be in control of someone. Obviously she would prefer it to be everyone but she has to settle for Perez.
I also think there is nothing she would like more than be seen as the house mum but instead she has become the house police ... rules according to Nadia ..#1 - Do as she says always #2 - Do not laugh unless instructed to do so #3 - Always obey rule #1.
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