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Didn't Take Hopkins Long 2 Put KP Down re Disabled Son
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anne_666
26-01-2015
Originally Posted by Dextor_Morgan:
“Talk about twisting things, someone mentioned this in another forum. It was based on the fact Harvey has a medic in the car when he is driven to school(I think it was school). Nowhere did it mention it was for treatment, KH said she thought with her money KP could pay for the medic instead of having the government pay.
I totally agree in this instance. If it's not essential and you can afford it, get your wallet out.”

Yet someone who pays nothing into the system should benefit? Why?

She will have paid more in than he will ever need already.
danny_gamer
26-01-2015
Originally Posted by anne_666:
“Absurd. So she's probably paid millions in taxation why, exactly?”

Because thousands are denied cancer drugs and the NHS is crippled.

The top earners should definitely pay towards their care.
anne_666
26-01-2015
Originally Posted by danny_gamer:
“Because thousands are denied cancer drugs and the NHS is crippled.

The top earners should definitely pay towards their care.”

Utter nonsense. She has paid for his care many times over and will continue to do so in enormous amounts of taxation. Does Katie H pay for her families medical care privately?
Stigofthedump
26-01-2015
Its got nothing to do with Hopkins. Sometimes NHS establishments are the only local available care resources and one has to tap into them to get the help needed, he is autistic and blind so it is going to be very difficult to get a specialist center, if the NHS is the only one offering the service in a nearby area then so be it, KP does pay her taxes and she does not owe KH an explanation.
Dextor_Morgan
26-01-2015
Originally Posted by anne_666:
“Yet someone who pays nothing into the system should benefit? Why?”

I said if it was 'essential' fair enough, if you want extra pay for it. That goes for wealthy, poor, fat, skinny and anyone else you wanna name.
Essential treatment free for all, non essential extras like chaperone's, pay it yourself.
Chit_Chat15
26-01-2015
The argument is flawed. If Price dies or loses all her money tomorrow, then the kid will automatically require government funding anyway. And she pays her taxes for that funding. He is entitled 100% to being supported by the government, because he is disabled. Beating on a kid when they're down (grown adults doing this!) what the heck is going on in people's heads?

Some people are ghastly, and horrible and I can't quite believe what I'm reading sometimes...It shocks me. It really really does.
danny_gamer
26-01-2015
Originally Posted by anne_666:
“Utter nonsense.”

You obviously have no argument. Nice.
john176bramley
26-01-2015
Originally Posted by Scarlett Berry:
“Did Katie Hopkins say that or are you just basing it on your own assumption.”

From the little I've read of Hopkins political stance I very much doubt she was advocating the rich pay more for the benefit of the less well off.
Bagshot85
26-01-2015
Originally Posted by danny_gamer:
“Because thousands are denied cancer drugs and the NHS is crippled.

The top earners should definitely pay towards their care.”

Ummm, no tyvm.
The NHS wouldn't be crippled if they didn't give out boob jobs, or other stupid cosmetic surgeries.
The only thing I think ppl should pay towards are cosmetic surgeries, gastric bands (and any other obesity related issues,) and sex-changes.
It's their choice, and not a serious health risk, so why should we the tax payers have to stump up?
Stop paying towards those, and see how much money the NHS saves.
danny_gamer
26-01-2015
Originally Posted by Bagshot85:
“Ummm, no tyvm.
The NHS wouldn't be crippled if they didn't give out boob jobs, or other stupid cosmetic surgeries.
The only thing I think ppl should pay towards are cosmetic surgeries, and sex-changes.
It's their choice, and not a serious health risk, so why should we the tax payers have to stump up?
Stop paying towards those, and see how much money the NHS saves.”

Which is also Hopkins' belief.
puppetangel
26-01-2015
Originally Posted by john176bramley:
“From the little I've read of Hopkins political stance I very much doubt she was advocating the rich pay more for the benefit of the less well off.”

She wonders why Katie doesnt pay for it herself as she can afford it. Exact discussion will be in the highlights show soon.
ForGodsSake
26-01-2015
Katie Price pays a lot in taxes so therefore should be able to take "taxpayers" money to pay for her son.
After all, she contributes a lot to it.

BTW Im not a hopkins or price fan at all.
Ms Ann Thrope
26-01-2015
The moral of the story : Don't tell Katie Hopkins anything at all that she could use as ammunition against you.
Chit_Chat15
26-01-2015
To PuppetAngel, I have deleted the post. Would you not however agree that,
her attitude is one that lacks any compassion or even understanding of the situation. I was clearly exaggerating to point out how she rarely appoaches any argument from a position of genuine compassion. Does she? It seems her only concern is money and who pays for what and who doesn't.
Blondie X
26-01-2015
Originally Posted by Bagshot85:
“She pays her taxes, of course her son is entitled to all that care, regardless of whether she does or not...he's a British child.
Funny world we live in, where the better off (who pay more taxes btw,) are frowned upon when they take advantage of what's offered, yet those who contribute nothing have no problem in getting their hands on whatever they can. ”

Absolutely agree. Can't stand KP but she's only getting a benefit her son is entitled to and I'm sure she's paid far more in taxes than she's ever gotten back.
anne_666
26-01-2015
Originally Posted by Dextor_Morgan:
“I said if it was 'essential' fair enough, if you want extra pay for it. That goes for wealthy, poor, fat, skinny and anyone else you wanna name.
Essential treatment free for all, non essential, pay it yourself.”

It is essential or it wouldn't be provided. I can't believe we are into another aspect of Katie H's ignorant, hypocritical and bigoted thought processes. She needs to educate herself and then decide what she actually believes, instead of spouting her usual dumb tripe.
ForGodsSake
26-01-2015
Originally Posted by Bagshot85:
“Ummm, no tyvm.
The NHS wouldn't be crippled if they didn't give out boob jobs, or other stupid cosmetic surgeries.
The only thing I think ppl should pay towards are cosmetic surgeries, gastric bands (and any other obesity related issues,) and sex-changes.
It's their choice, and not a serious health risk, so why should we the tax payers have to stump up?
Stop paying towards those, and see how much money the NHS saves.”

Why not sex changes if the person believes they are the wrong sex ?
Scarlett Berry
26-01-2015
Originally Posted by john176bramley:
“From the little I've read of Hopkins political stance I very much doubt she was advocating the rich pay more for the benefit of the less well off.”

But that is exactly what Katie Hopkins was saying. Her convo to Katie Price was pretty much.....paraphrasing here:

You're rich enough, don't expect the Government to fork out for your kid.....
mitacond
26-01-2015
Originally Posted by paralax:
“She is not attacking a disabled child, I agree with Hopkins, KP is a multi millionaire, local taxpayers via Counci Tax are paying, and that money could be used to give more support elsewhere.

It is the system that should make it a means tested benefit, or allowance.

Still, it is music to the ears of people who dislike Hopkins.”

Katie H is attacking the child though her mother sinking to the lowest of the low by making this comment. The system is there for all regardless. If her son has been assessed has having needs that requires his having a carer so be it.
Bagshot85
26-01-2015
Originally Posted by danny_gamer:
“Which is also Hopkins belief.”

I didn't mention children....
I think we should strive to offer children the best care possible, adults too for that matter.
Over 70s should stand at the back of the line....

Btw, I loathe both UKIP and KH, my views are my own.
Dextor_Morgan
26-01-2015
Originally Posted by anne_666:
“It is essential or it wouldn't be provided..”

If you'd be so kind as to provide some confirmation of that then I will change my stance. I read and hear an awful lot of 'non-essential' things being provided by the NHS.
jobielad
26-01-2015
Originally Posted by paralax:
“She is not attacking a disabled child, I agree with Hopkins, KP is a multi millionaire, local taxpayers via Counci Tax are paying, and that money could be used to give more support elsewhere.

It is the system that should make it a means tested benefit, or allowance.

Still, it is music to the ears of people who dislike Hopkins.”

Spot on with this. The system is means tested with the elderly to a great extent already e.g. nursing home care. Someone may have worked hard all their lives then end up having to sell their property to pay for care. Our benefits system is very unequal in many ways especially for the grey areas e.g. people not in the supertax bracket
MACTOWIN
26-01-2015
Originally Posted by paralax:
“She is not attacking a disabled child, I agree with Hopkins, KP is a multi millionaire, local taxpayers via Counci Tax are paying, and that money could be used to give more support elsewhere.

It is the system that should make it a means tested benefit, or allowance.

Still, it is music to the ears of people who dislike Hopkins.”

Exactly flip it and I am sure Katie H would be accused all over the place of not paying it herself.
Blondie X
26-01-2015
Originally Posted by Bagshot85:
“Ummm, no tyvm.
The NHS wouldn't be crippled if they didn't give out boob jobs, or other stupid cosmetic surgeries.
The only thing I think ppl should pay towards are cosmetic surgeries, gastric bands (and any other obesity related issues,) and sex-changes.
It's their choice, and not a serious health risk, so why should we the tax payers have to stump up?
Stop paying towards those, and see how much money the NHS saves.”

Absolutely agree with you as well. The NHS priority should be helping people who are sick. Cosmetic surgery and the other things you've listed should be very, very low down on the list of what is funded.

Many middle class people and higher earners have private health care anyway and so wouldn't need to use the NHS for a lot of surgery so why shouldn't they have the right to use the NHS when they need to? Plus we're talking about a child here. Having a friend whose daughter has Down Syndrome (which I know isn't the same thing as Harvey has but it's a comparable situation) she has had to jump through hoop after hoop after hoop just to get what should be available by right and so this is one thing I can't blame KP for at all
puppetangel
26-01-2015
Playing devils advocate here ...if someone earns a million a year after taxes and treatment for them or their child/spouse costs 100-250K a year...should they pay it? Cause there is rich and super rich.
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