Ever since Big Brother has been on Channel 5 I've noticed terrible manipulation of the audience, or the audience just easily forgetting things.

BB12: Aaron was an early favorite but not certain to win, but after he became the "victim" this was cemented.
BB13: Deana was favorite to win but then editors focused on the moments she was talking against other housemates and this turned people on her towards the end.
BB14: Dexter was disliked until her became the "victim". Gina was a favorite until editors focused on her dislike of Hazel then this turned people on her.
BB15: Helen was always hated but then won because she bacme the "victim" of Ashleigh. Ashleigh was liked until the editors focused on her dislike of Helen and this turned people against her.

I don't follow CBB much but Jim and Gary clearly got the "victim" edit and now this is being passed on to Perez. They are focusing on Katie Hopkins and co's dislike for Perez and this is clearly turning people against them.

Why does this editing pattern always seem to work against the audience? I'm baffled.

A spot on post, we now have the voting only by app, for Perez to be given a ticket to the final, or be nominated every week. It's already been said by at least two HM's that he's bragged that he will be in the final, and it's being questioned if that was a clause in his contract. He threatens to walk they put him in the secret room, he gets to put Cami up for eviction, he get's to see the HMs nominate he gets to question Katie Hopkins in the DR, he also had her making bird noise's, now you can guarantee that when he goes back in the house, the first thing he will do is make the same bird noises Katie Hopkins made, meaning more argument's, and he will play up even more because BB have given him the ammo to do so. We the viewer/fan's are supposed to believe this was already planned. Katie Hopkin's get's saved by Katie Price why IMHO they make it up as they go along, and we fall for it.

Does Perez Hilton's Celebrity Big Brother contract include a clause to ensure he's in the final three? Michelle claims controversial blogger 'bragged about it'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...ragged-it.html

Big Brother always has and always will be about manipulation on some level in my opinion.

There's times when it's been subtle and other times more blatant, i don't think there's any version of Big Brother that has been "fair" as that's not the intent. [The first one AUS/UK/US was probably the most fair as it was just starting and finding itself]

The problem isn't with manipulation, in my opinion the problem is viewers not being informed on what Big Brother actually is... i don't know if they still do this but i think HGs are even given the book "1984" to read before going into the house. Which Big Brother has roots and influence in, and it's about corruption, power, manipulation, thought control, etc.

Even BBBOTS is used for BB's manipulation and thought control, etc.

It could be a very fun thing, if everyone "got that" and it was trying to defeat Big Brother so to speak when it came time to vote by not being manipulated and having thoughts controlled, etc.... I always thought the viewers were an important part of the experience as such.

Last season for example, BB manipulated things but at the end the viewers voted for Helen.... in my view Big Brother won that season.

Where Big Brother can't manipulate is the vote/who's voted for, however. I think that's one of the very few things off limits.

Speaking of which, I like Katie Hopkins but I didn't feel like she needed to be safe, especially not by Katie Price. That was another stupid twist by the producers, but I understand why they had to cancel the eviction, but they didn't need a save/replace.

This CBB is one of those time's.

Exactly it should have stood as it was.

This one and the last regular one are two of the most blatant ones, yes.

100% Agree with you

You can understand why they do it. The audience does annoyingly tend to vote òut the characters that keep the show interesting and then they are left with an empty husk for the second half of the run.

Its not so much about protecting a chosen winner as keeping the thing vibrant up to the end. I dont like it when the manipulation is blatant as it destroys the credibility of the programme, but on the other hand i dont much enjoy watching paint dry either.

It's all very Orwellian.

That would be the case if it were vote to evict. But in the vote to save it is usually the dull ones who go. Apart from Calum, who although is a nice guy, doesn't seem to do anything much.

Lets be honest, Hopkins isn't going anywhere tonight, sadly!

Tbf the credibility of BB was lost years ago, when Jon Tickle came back into the house after being evicted and even worse when the same thing happened with Nikki Graham who was allowed to came back and actually win the main prize.

It's not Big Brother in any sense of the term at all now.

That's right, blame Keith Harris. Typical.

What's weirder is how desperate people get butthurt and have to come up with 100 excuses to why someone they hate does well.

Perez to win.

I think that's largely a myth.

The producers do their manipulating, not because they need to, but because they fear "another bb4" and don't trust their own show and HM selection to be entertaining; and because of a vicious cycle in which they've pushed up the drama so that the audience then expects more, and then they don't dare push it less.

Good point, though I don't think they should even have cancelled / delayed the eviction.

I wonder why this Perez vote is app only .
Is it not verifiable in the same way as the normal votes are.
If Perez gets a pass to the final then that's the answer because he had not the support in the last vote.

I do also object to his swearing tirades in the diary room and why was nothing said.

Even Helen Wood respected bb and the voters , this guy does not and rather than give him a warning they save him from nomination and allow him to put another housemate up.

Bb should have opened the door and allowed him to leave.

I do not like Katie Hopkins BUT I am so glad she is in the house while Perez is there.
She is the only one who annoys him and makes him lose hi temper - I hope she stays until he leaves.

Good points. It's not even clear how phone votes are verified. They certainly don't contact every voter to check that the votes they remember making were all counted. So what do they do?

Nikki didn't win the main prize, it was Pete who won.

There are a few strong women in the house this year yet only Hilton is a strong male character. Was that intention I wonder?

I know Pete won but Nikki was allowed to come back with the possibility to win whereas Jon Tickle wasn't.

Ah I see what you mean now Tissy

My main point is why do the audience always fall for the cyclical editing pattern.

Remember just by making it vote to save or vote to evict can have 2 very different outcomes too & once they know whose up they'll play it the way they prefer.

And you are just being contrary for contrary's sake.