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The real reason people dislike Katie Hopkins?
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Cranberryapple
27-01-2015
Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
“Has there ever been a subject where people so utterly ignorant of the facts were willing to bellow their ignorance to all and sundry?

KH has contributed literally nothing except further ignorance and rudeness to a debate that is already at saturation point in every paper and on every tv channel. Her programme was by far the worst and most discreditable of all the series on the subject that filled every tv channel after christmas.

No one who knows anything about the issue would dream of using a phrase like "a rare case with some kind of medical condition". (What 'medical conditions' were you thinking of, one wonders?) It is obvious from world statistics that when people have access to plenty of food, the majority of people are powerfully programmed to eat more than they need to. Genetics determines whether they will stay slim, get fat, or get very fat. It is absolutely risible to suggest that it only requires 'a bit of effort' to stay slim, for people programmed not to be slim.

Ironically, the only thing KH's worthless fat gain/ loss experiment showed - and she must realize this, not being stupid - is how very difficult it is for a naturally slim person to get fat, and how powerfully your body is programmed to revert to its normal weight once you start eating normally. She had to FORCE her weight up, with a dietician to help her to do it, since eating 6,500 calories a day is a ghastly experience for almost all of us. As soon as she stopped eating this stupendous quanitity of food, of course her body snapped back to its natural, very slim, shape.

For obvious reasons she did not pursue this thought, since it would rather have scuppered the whole thing. She clearly had no interest in the facts of obesity anyway, any more than the OP or her other admirers have. She just wanted an excuse for fat-hating, and sadly there is plenty of fertile ground there.”

Excellent post WD.

The BIB I can relate to. I have been slim all my life. I even went to the Docs in my 20's asking for something to help me gain weight. I ate like a horse ( all the crap of the day ) to try and gain weight, but to no avail. I used to get the " You're so thin' " how do you do it, all the time. I wasn't doing anything, it's in my make up, same as my mum's and sisters. It is how I am meant to be.
Matt_Maher
27-01-2015
Originally Posted by amyawake:
“No - people do not dislike Hopkins JUST because of her dislike of fat people. She manages to offend so many different kinds of people....

http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrit...ements-3787639”


Point by point then....


1. Clearly a jokey comment at Peaches Geldof. Lets not even go into Peaches' parenting issues anyway because that wouldn't be fair.

2. Obviously a joke.

3. Don't really understand that one. Not sure why people would be offended tho seeing as most people seem to want to bring back hanging these days anyway.

4. She's being honest and the majority of employers would think the same I think. You can discriminate when it comes to employing someone as long as nobody finds out or can prove it.

5. Just her view on tattoos. I'm a bit 'meh' about tattoos. They're so common now, you're more of an individual if you DON'T have one.

6. Again, just her view, not offensive. Some people simply don't want to see a mother flop her boob out in public.

7. Nice little quote, probably intended to annoy religious people, which is never a bad thing to do. Unless they're Islamic extremists of course, don't want to upset them.

8. Only picked up on because of Lilly Allen's miscarriages. Which is kind of low of whoever blew the story up.

9. Can't be against this one. Gemma Collins has basically made a career out of 'being proud to be fat', which isn't good for anything. And she's a horrible person.

10. A lot of people think the same of Kardashian. Famous for being in a sex tape and having a huge ass.

11. She's probably bang on.

12. I don't know who Sam Bailey is but i'm guessing Katie H's description of her was very apt.

13. Not really bothered about what she thinks of Nigella. Nigella is famous only because she's a sexy chef. If she was just a chef she wouldn't be famous.
Ms Ann Thrope
27-01-2015
Originally Posted by seellee:
“I decided to do a search on Hopkins to find out the awful things she has supposed to have said. Have to say there aren't many. Just the usual ginger, Scottish and fat ones. I think Hopkins is a bit of a myth if I'm honest. Perpetuated by the faux outrage brigade.

Do these people that are continuously offended by everything not realise that they are making Hopkins huge amounts of money by being offended?

Somebody earlier on in this thread accused her of being elitist and that she believes rich and privelaged people shouldn't have to pay taxes etc. Well that doesn't really fit with her saying Price should have to pay for her own care!

I reckon if I got into a quiet room with Hopkins and had a few debates with her I think she'd be thoroughly sensible and her views wouldn't be quite so inflamed.

Don't some of you people realise that she sits back every night counting her money whilst you get yourselves all hot and bothered about her tweets?!”

The vast majority of people who dislike her and disagree with what she says wouldn't spend any money buying the Sun or paying any attention to media outlets that give her a platform, so you are wrong there. Don't waste your breath trying to bait the people who don't like her.

I only hear of her opinions through other news sources that report but don't pay her anything to repeat her nonsense, and if any of them started publishing her stuff I'd be off like a shot.

Unfortunately there are plenty of people out there who are judgmental and empathically challenged who do support what she says. They are the people who bleat about benefit cheats, disability claimants, the obese, immigrants, etc etc, but are the first to put their hands out for sympathy and help when they develop problems they can't deal with themselves.
jeanoj
27-01-2015
Originally Posted by sandy50:
“What about Katie H as a HM on BB ?
Or is it impossible for some to rid their concrete opinion of her prior to going into the house?
She can't win in that case.”

Nail on head!
seellee
27-01-2015
Originally Posted by Mrs Checks:
“you do realise it is possible for people to be actually offended, right? Just because you aren't, doesn't mean it's "faux".

As for the outrage, I wouldn't say there's that much outrage on this thread, more like a lot of very sensible arguments as to why a lot of stuff KH spouts is untrue, and that the OP's opinion as to why some dislike KH is misguided.

I'm actually almost glad Katie says these stupid things, because it opens up a wider argument amongst communities like this, where informed people can point out exactly why the stuff she is saying is rubbish or hypocritical.”

People may actually be offended. But these same people are making her huge sums of money because they talk about how offended they are. As long as they continue to be offended and talk loudly about it, the longer Hopkins earns huge amounts of money.
linmic
27-01-2015
Originally Posted by Matt_Maher:
“Point by point then....


1. Clearly a jokey comment at Peaches Geldof. Lets not even go into Peaches' parenting issues anyway because that wouldn't be fair.

2. Obviously a joke.

3. Don't really understand that one. Not sure why people would be offended tho seeing as most people seem to want to bring back hanging these days anyway.

4. She's being honest and the majority of employers would think the same I think. You can discriminate when it comes to employing someone as long as nobody finds out or can prove it.

5. Just her view on tattoos. I'm a bit 'meh' about tattoos. They're so common now, you're more of an individual if you DON'T have one.

6. Again, just her view, not offensive. Some people simply don't want to see a mother flop her boob out in public.

7. Nice little quote, probably intended to annoy religious people, which is never a bad thing to do. Unless they're Islamic extremists of course, don't want to upset them.

8. Only picked up on because of Lilly Allen's miscarriages. Which is kind of low of whoever blew the story up.

9. Can't be against this one. Gemma Collins has basically made a career out of 'being proud to be fat', which isn't good for anything. And she's a horrible person.

10. A lot of people think the same of Kardashian. Famous for being in a sex tape and having a huge ass.

11. She's probably bang on.

12. I don't know who Sam Bailey is but i'm guessing Katie H's description of her was very apt.

13. Not really bothered about what she thinks of Nigella. Nigella is famous only because she's a sexy chef. If she was just a chef she wouldn't be famous.”

Im at work so cant go through the whole of your post but I am just astounded by some of the things you say!
seellee
27-01-2015
Originally Posted by Ms Ann Thrope:
“The vast majority of people who dislike her and disagree with what she says wouldn't spend any money buying the Sun or paying any attention to media outlets that give her a platform, so you are wrong there. Don't waste your breath trying to bait the people who don't like her.

I only hear of her opinions through other news sources that report but don't pay her anything to repeat her nonsense, and if any of them started publishing her stuff I'd be off like a shot.

Unfortunately there are plenty of people out there who are judgmental and empathically challenged who do support what she says. They are the people who bleat about benefit cheats, disability claimants, the obese, immigrants, etc etc, but are the first to put their hands out for sympathy and help when they develop problems they can't deal with themselves.”

I'm not trying to bait anyone. So having an opinion on DS different to someone else is baiting? Hmmmmmmmm!
Scarlett Berry
27-01-2015
Originally Posted by pope_tart:
“actually it was a bit of totally unveiled sarcasm

and I was insinuating that by focusing on the least of "her crimes" , you are trivialising the really nasty things she has said in order to paint her in a better light

and...predictably...by focusing on the worst of "the crimes" of her detractors (in this case my disabled children comment) you attempt to maximise the unfairness of her critics to paint them in a worse light.

You carry on trying to justify her behaviour if you so wish, but I found your OP laughable”

Couldn't agree more, utterly risable.
kimindex
27-01-2015
Anyone could come up with the cheap jibes that Hopkins does if they also lacked scruples and boundaries. She's like a toddler who's just learned a dirty word and shouts it out to shock people.
Matt_Maher
27-01-2015
Originally Posted by linmic:
“Im at work so cant go through the whole of your post but I am just astounded by some of the things you say!”


Well that's no excuse, that's just trying to insult me without even bothering to form an argument.

Yet you bothered to highlight certain points. Points I stand by and am happy to defend.
funky_nomad
27-01-2015
(Apologies can't seem to get to grips with the Quote function)

/// sandy50 - Kaitie has shown she's prepared to get on with Nadia - and Nadia's blanked her - she has a grudge and an issue , and isn't prepared to try, so Katie's the better person here-Holding grudges like that, considering that small environment, only Nadia loses- what a strain it must be for her having to carry so much dislike for someone - she should grow up , she is flippin 50 ewwww .///

KH is only prepared to get on with Nadia because Nadia has continually NOT allowed herself to be pigeon holed and controlled by KH's machinations.

She won't join the Mean Girls; she won't cower at KH's mighty presence; she doesn't indulge KH in any way, negatively or positively and as a controlling, desperate, attention seeking bully KH can't stand the fact that Nadia has continued to be an unassailable obstacle. It is therefore now a case of she (KH) can't beat her (Nadia) so she must join her.
Last edited by funky_nomad : 27-01-2015 at 11:29
Flora_McDonald
27-01-2015
Originally Posted by Matt_Maher:
“I just don't think Katie H would have done that to someone deeply into anorexia.

I might be wrong tho.”


Yes. You might well be wrong.

Here's an extract from the article which was linked above:

"I'm 5ft 6 and weighed 9.5 st, but I dropped to 6.5st in two months by skipping meals - sometimes I'd fast."

That's sufficiently anorexic to justify people being sectioned and hospitalised.
SillyBillyGoat
27-01-2015
Um, I'll speak for myself thanks. When I appoint you to be my voice, I'll let you know ... but don't hold your breath.

I judge Hopkins for all of her nasty comments, they don't end with her comments about overweight people. There's also the business of, you know, mocking the seriously ill, making jokes about tragedies, casually branding a whole group of people "rodents" and calling for more bombing. You know, that sort of stuff.

Perhaps some of her fans should stop blaming the people reacting to her comments and realise that she holds any responsibility for any hostility created as a result of actually making the comments. That's on her, and these attempts to absolve her of the responsibility of her own words and actions is weak.
purplesky99
27-01-2015
Originally Posted by Matt_Maher:
“Well that clearly isn't true when she's clearly shown emotion in the house and got upset and angry over the treatment of others.”

She has shown very little emotion compared to the amount of hostility she has either started or provoked.
seellee
27-01-2015
Who is trying to absolve her of responsibility? She can live or die by her words for all I care. I agree with some of the things she has said I disagree with others. Thats generally how I live my life.

I've never really watched her on other things before. I watched the video of her on this morning with the overweight lady. I couldn't disagree with anything she said and actually she was very respectful to the woman about the reasons she wouldn't enploy her.

If I agree with someone I'll agree no matter who they are, if I disagree it's the same. I'm not one of these people that has to have people around me that think the same.
SillyBillyGoat
27-01-2015
Originally Posted by seellee:
“Who is trying to absolve her of responsibility? She can live or die by her words for all I care. I agree with some of the things she has said I disagree with others. Thats generally how I live my life.

I've never really watched her on other things before. I watched the video of her on this morning with the overweight lady. I couldn't disagree with anything she said and actually she was very respectful to the woman about the reasons she wouldn't enploy her.

If I agree with someone I'll agree no matter who they are, if I disagree it's the same. I'm not one of these people that has to have people around me that think the same.”

Plenty of people, I've seen it several times on here throughout this series. Heck, she does it herself when she says "I don't give offence, you take it". I'd have more respect for her if she was mature enough to take responsibility for the effects her words can have, instead of taking the cowardly route and telling herself that she bears no responsibility for the very things she chooses to say.

There seems to be an attitude of "You should just shrug it off if you don't like it", which makes me wonder why those specific fans can't take their own advice when they read negative posts about Hopkins (posts that are usually a lot less offensive than the things she says that people are apparently supposed to brush off).
linmic
27-01-2015
Originally Posted by Matt_Maher:
“Well that's no excuse, that's just trying to insult me without even bothering to form an argument.

Yet you bothered to highlight certain points. Points I stand by and am happy to defend.”

Okay:

most people seem to want to bring back hanging these days anyway.


Since when? In a civilised society there's no place for killing others. Its a dangerous thing to start being as bad as the aggressor.

You can discriminate when it comes to employing someone as long as nobody finds out or can prove it.

Is that the sort of attitude you would have when employing someone? Wouldn't their previous employment history, qualifications etc be far more important to you than their weight?

probably intended to annoy religious people, which is never a bad thing to do.

Really? Honestly? Do you genuinely think its okay to annoy someone because of their religious beliefs?

if she was just a chef she wouldn't be famous.

And you know that for a fact do you? I don't find Nigella sexy at all but I do watch her programmes. Why are other chefs famous? Is it just because they are 'sexy'? or does that just apply to women?
Cat-
27-01-2015
Originally Posted by SillyBillyGoat:
“Um, I'll speak for myself thanks. When I appoint you to be my voice, I'll let you know ... but don't hold your breath.

I judge Hopkins for all of her nasty comments, they don't end with her comments about overweight people. There's also the business of, you know, mocking the seriously ill, making jokes about tragedies, casually branding a whole group of people "rodents" and calling for more bombing. You know, that sort of stuff.

Perhaps some of her fans should stop blaming the people reacting to her comments and realise that she holds any responsibility for any hostility created as a result of actually making the comments. That's on her, and these attempts to absolve her of the responsibility of her own words and actions is weak.”

Very well said.

I can understand those who don't take her seriously and think she's just a panto villain, but it's those who endorse what she's says and agree with her nasty mean comments, that's what's worrying... And I've seen many comments like that. If you had a child you would ignore bad behaviour. So why is this grown up, arguably articulate woman being lauded and encouraged?
seellee
27-01-2015
Originally Posted by linmic:
“Okay:

most people seem to want to bring back hanging these days anyway.


Since when? In a civilised society there's no place for killing others. Its a dangerous thing to start being as bad as the aggressor.

You can discriminate when it comes to employing someone as long as nobody finds out or can prove it.

Is that the sort of attitude you would have when employing someone? Wouldn't their previous employment history, qualifications etc be far more important to you than their weight?

probably intended to annoy religious people, which is never a bad thing to do.

Really? Honestly? Do you genuinely think its okay to annoy someone because of their religious beliefs?

if she was just a chef she wouldn't be famous.

And you know that for a fact do you? I don't find Nigella sexy at all but I do watch her programmes. Why are other chefs famous? Is it just because they are 'sexy'? or does that just apply to women?”

All things being equal though in terms of qualifications, experience etc. who would you employ? The 22 stone woman or the 12 stone woman? Depending on the job of course I reckon the 12 stone woman. That's the reality. Whether it's fair or not is another question.

Hopkins clearly says that although it might be unfair that's reality!
seellee
27-01-2015
Originally Posted by Cat-:
“Very well said.

I can understand those who don't take her seriously and think she's just a panto villain, but it's those who endorse what she's says and agree with her nasty mean comments, that's what's worrying... And I've seen many comments like that. If you had a child you would ignore bad behaviour. So why is this grown up, arguably articulate woman being lauded and encouraged?”

If I agree with her I'll agree with her. If I disagree I'll say I disagree. Like I said I don't have to like somebody to make that judgement. In reverse I can like someone but not agree with 75% of what they say.
sandy50
27-01-2015
Originally Posted by Cat-:
“Very well said.

I can understand those who don't take her seriously and think she's just a panto villain, but it's those who endorse what she's says and agree with her nasty mean comments, that's what's worrying... And I've seen many comments like that. If you had a child you would ignore bad behaviour. So why is this grown up, arguably articulate woman being lauded and encouraged?”

I don't think anyone's encouraging her, she doesn't need that to function and continue doing what she does -- but listen to the radio,there's far worse commentators hurling out comments about differing sections of society , she's not the first and won't be the last - she's just current I guess, and being on BB has reminded people of what she's said in the past. I think she's a panto villain,it's all pretend, - but a good HM for BB.
Cat-
27-01-2015
Originally Posted by seellee:
“All things being equal though in terms of qualifications, experience etc. who would you employ? The 22 stone woman or the 12 stone woman? Depending on the job of course I reckon the 12 stone woman. That's the reality. Whether it's fair or not is another question.

Hopkins clearly says that although it might be unfair that's reality!”

We have discrimination laws put in place for a reason. It appears to me that this woman's sole purpose is to eradicate all that. I bet she believes in eugenics too. Its an elitist attitude.
SillyBillyGoat
27-01-2015
Originally Posted by Cat-:
“Very well said.

I can understand those who don't take her seriously and think she's just a panto villain, but it's those who endorse what she's says and agree with her nasty mean comments, that's what's worrying... And I've seen many comments like that. If you had a child you would ignore bad behaviour. So why is this grown up, arguably articulate woman being lauded and encouraged?”

The thing is, this "she's just a panto villain" line is just one of several (contradictory) excuses, other prominent examples being "she's just joking" and "she's just being honest". They can't all be the case, surely? Or do people pick and choose which excuse to use depending on the particular comment they're attempting to defend? As I said, excuses and nothing more.

And you're very right, it's unsettling that some people can hear / read some of the more extreme things she says and claim to agree with her. Not just that, but suggest that the people taking issue with the words are in the wrong. Quite astounding, really.
Flora_McDonald
27-01-2015
Originally Posted by seellee:
“I decided to do a search on Hopkins to find out the awful things she has supposed to have said. Have to say there aren't many. Just the usual ginger, Scottish and fat ones.
”

Really.? Can I ask what you think of these:

"If people's disability benefit was handed out from the top rung of a ladder I reckon most would climb the ladder to get it."

"Suicidal prisoners should just kill themselves".

"Personally, I hate mobility scooters. I find their owners intolerable" (about the elderly)

"[I lied] to get someone else's husband because I wanted him.

""I don’t believe what Russell Brand says addiction. I just don’t buy it. ... Gazza likes drinking, let him crack on. He is enjoying himself."
Scarlett Berry
27-01-2015
Originally Posted by SillyBillyGoat:
“Um, I'll speak for myself thanks. When I appoint you to be my voice, I'll let you know ... but don't hold your breath.

I judge Hopkins for all of her nasty comments, they don't end with her comments about overweight people. There's also the business of, you know, mocking the seriously ill, making jokes about tragedies, casually branding a whole group of people "rodents" and calling for more bombing. You know, that sort of stuff.

Perhaps some of her fans should stop blaming the people reacting to her comments and realise that she holds any responsibility for any hostility created as a result of actually making the comments. That's on her, and these attempts to absolve her of the responsibility of her own words and actions is weak.”

Thank you SBG, I couldn't agree more with everything you have written.
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