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Old 28-01-2015, 01:08
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Yes I agree, there is something cold and calculating about her.

Crying?

She has no self awareness at times!
I must have blinked and missed her 'GAME ON' with Perez.
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Old 28-01-2015, 01:10
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It doesn't act like a human, so doesn't deserve to be treated as such
Oh, he definitely acts like a human. Sad to say, no other species indulges in such provocative, pre-meditated, attention-seeking behaviour.

He's all too human. As are his equally sorry antagonists.
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Old 28-01-2015, 01:13
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I'm gay and I'm repulsed at the very thought of her speaking on behalf of me. She should come to a gay club with me sometime or perhaps a gay pride event. If she doesn't approve of Perez's behaviour, then I take it she doesn't approve of the antics that go on at these events either.
That type of attitude is internalised homophobia in its most virulent form. Basically replacing the heterosexual community's direct oppression of LGBT people with an indirect pernicious form.
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Old 28-01-2015, 01:16
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This country has a voice, and that voice is Graham Norton's.
I thought it was Elton John

I just find Michelle really patronising. She's a judge on a drag show, isn't drag in itself a small part of the "gay community" of which she speaks. If she's all for equality for gay people it should include all, not just those she herself deems worthy of not setting the cause back 50 years. And calling someone "that", whatever happened to the championing the misfits? She's just making herself look more and more phoney every day.
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Old 28-01-2015, 01:17
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That type of attitude is internalised homophobia in its most virulent form. Basically replacing the heterosexual community's direct oppression of LGBT people with an indirect pernicious form.
I find the way she speaks as offensive as if I'd heard someone call a homosexual person a derogatory name.

She's a vile tongued wanna be,

Empowerment should be key in any cause surely.
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Old 28-01-2015, 01:18
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I thought it was Elton John

I just find Michelle really patronising. She's a judge on a drag show, isn't drag in itself a small part of the "gay community" of which she speaks. If she's all for equality for gay people it should include all, not just those she herself deems worthy of not setting the cause back 50 years. And calling someone "that", whatever happened to the championing the misfits? She's just making herself look more and more phoney every day.
Makes me laugh, drag is part of the world as a whole!
I know quite a few heterosexual drag artists, both male and female. She's got fabulous legs, hi I'm Paul... Er I'll get my coat.
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Old 28-01-2015, 01:22
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That type of attitude is internalised homophobia in its most virulent form. Basically replacing the heterosexual community's direct oppression of LGBT people with an indirect pernicious form.
Sorry but wtf does that even mean? There is a real danger when a marginalised community allows itself to implode over meaningless nonsense.
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Old 28-01-2015, 01:22
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Not allowed to give blood or donate organs for a start.
Wow, thanks, I didn't know that. Seems absurd when there's such a shortage of blood and organs.
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Old 28-01-2015, 01:25
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I can't give blood either as I had a blood transfusion in 1980
Me too. Not in 1980 I mean, but just a bit after that, before things 'improved'. Paying the price now.
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Old 28-01-2015, 01:25
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Wow, thanks, I didn't know that. Seems absurd when there's such a shortage of blood and organs.
Exactly. There is still a lot of discrimination. Personally I find Michelle's stance kind of ... non existent. Just because she wears the t-shirt don't mean shit.
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Old 28-01-2015, 01:30
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There's a very good reason for that. The gay population has an extremely high amount of people with HIV. Even if they test people before they give blood, HIV can be in your blood but not show up until months later. It's too much of a risk.
It seems that the so-called epidemic of the 80's was the reason the ban was brought in but now we are better informed and there is not much more risk than in the general population so there's a campaign to reverse the ban and have a simple blood test for all donors before they give blood.
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Old 28-01-2015, 01:34
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Exactly. There is still a lot of discrimination. Personally I find Michelle's stance kind of ... non existent. Just because she wears the t-shirt don't mean shit.
She seems quite ignorant about this country really, as though she's just picked up bits here and there and has adopted a pose that she thinks will get support. We're a long way from real equality but we do have a very vibrant and politicised gay community, I'm sure they don't need an American spokesperson.
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Old 28-01-2015, 01:37
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She seems quite ignorant about this country really, as though she's just picked up bits here and there and has adopted a pose that she thinks will get support. We're a long way from real equality but we do have a very vibrant and politicised gay community, I'm sure they don't need an American spokesperson.
I get that impression too. I cringed when I saw the massive Union Jack earrings. I can imagine telling her I come from Edinburgh Scotland and she'd say 'oh cool, that's near Ireland, yeah?'. Maybe this experience will be a good reality check for her.
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Old 28-01-2015, 01:38
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Actually another thought - maybe she watches too much Downton Abbey!
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Old 28-01-2015, 01:39
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She seems quite ignorant about this country really, as though she's just picked up bits here and there and has adopted a pose that she thinks will get support. We're a long way from real equality but we do have a very vibrant and politicised gay community, I'm sure they don't need an American spokesperson.
for all people claim how clued up she is on britain and british tv from what we seen it looks to be no more than watching eastenders on bbc america
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Old 28-01-2015, 01:39
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Why must she equate everything to his sexuality? What's that got to do with anything?

She can only see through the lens of "gay".
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Old 28-01-2015, 01:47
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Sorry but wtf does that even mean? There is a real danger when a marginalised community allows itself to implode over meaningless nonsense.
Basically she's doing more harm than good in a subtle way.
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Old 28-01-2015, 01:47
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Why must she equate everything to his sexuality? What's that got to do with anything?

She can only see through the lens of "gay".
Ooo we now have" The Lens" to add to all the "The's"
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Old 28-01-2015, 01:58
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That type of attitude is internalised homophobia in its most virulent form. Basically replacing the heterosexual community's direct oppression of LGBT people with an indirect pernicious form.
Originally Posted by hendoll;76684644[B
]Sorry but wtf does that even mean?[/b] There is a real danger when a marginalised community allows itself to implode over meaningless nonsense.
Take two:

Even though Michelle is not actually Gay, I'm referencing her as such due to her repeated statements that she is there on behalf of LGBT people.

Some LGBT people take the homophobia directed at them from the heterosexual community, and absorb it (metaphorically) and then throw out the now internalised homophobia at other LGBT people. They are basically being homophobic themselves.

For the person on the receiving end, it's an even greater head fudge than homophobia from heterosexuals, as s/he will then feel that their 'own' are basically also rejecting them. So this homophobia is even more virulent than the one from the hetero. community.

I'm not sure if 'take two' actually helps to explain my original post or makes it even more 'clear as mud' ?
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Old 28-01-2015, 02:08
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I find the way she speaks as offensive as if I'd heard someone call a homosexual person a derogatory name.

She's a vile tongued wanna be,

Empowerment should be key in any cause surely.
That's obviously what she's doing by ostracising Perez...

She's now even gonna empower us Brits by being our voice.

Messiah Michelle has arrived for the British Peeple.
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Old 28-01-2015, 02:12
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I don't blame her. Can't believe anyone would pay to vote for fhat vile creature Perez to win.

Me too
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Old 28-01-2015, 02:13
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Wow, Michelle calling Perez "THAT"? I hope she gets a warning

she says she is fighting for gay people, she isn't, that was completely rude and homophobic
How is losing to THAT joke of a person homophobic?????
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Old 28-01-2015, 02:16
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Basically she's doing more harm than good in a subtle way.
Ok..so she didn't do her research properly? Well, she's gonna learn.
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Old 28-01-2015, 02:21
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Take two:

Even though Michelle is not actually Gay, I'm referencing her as such due to her repeated statements that she is there on behalf of LGBT people.

Some LGBT people take the homophobia directed at them from the heterosexual community, and absorb it (metaphorically) and then throw out the now internalised homophobia at other LGBT people. They are basically being homophobic themselves.

For the person on the receiving end, it's an even greater head fudge than homophobia from heterosexuals, as s/he will then feel that their 'own' are basically also rejecting them. So this homophobia is even more virulent than the one from the hetero. community.

I'm not sure if 'take two' actually helps to explain my original post or makes it even more 'clear as mud' ?
Honestly it's as clear as mud to me right now and sounds very tortured but it is 2am and I've necked a bottle and half of Pinot G. But I promise to read it again tomorrow. It's very interesting.
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Old 28-01-2015, 02:21
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Ok..so she didn't do her research properly? Well, she's gonna learn.
I don't often get offended on someone else's behalf, this is more a case of her offending me, she's speaks on behalf of "The Gays" as a 70's 80's comic spoke about "The Blacks"
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