http://bigbrother.channel5.com/day-2...-perezs-return
That speech is hysterical. We need her folks.
Erm, who is she again?
That speech is hysterical. We need her folks.
Erm, who is she again?
Whoever wins, can there be a bigger loser than...
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She's really not doing herself any favours is she? I liked her before she came in, mainly through RuPaul's dragrace, but to see her fawn over Hopkins and use Perez as some sort of scapegoat for the gay voice (maybe she hears the gay voice in her head) is plain wrong. No right thinking adult would take Perez as the poster boy for every gay person in the entire planet, yet Michelle seems to hold him in a higher important role than anyone else. This is an entertainment show more than anything else, and she clearly hasn't got that memo. Perez has been the single most entertaining thing about this show. Without him, we'd have Michelle sitting around giving speeches on gay rights. That is not fun.
Originally Posted by BipolarIdiot:
“I like Michelle.. She's not controversial but does have a lot to say.. Just a shame she's a sheep to the Hopkins.
Perez is right tho .. They're both keeping their enemies close”
“I like Michelle.. She's not controversial but does have a lot to say.. Just a shame she's a sheep to the Hopkins.
Perez is right tho .. They're both keeping their enemies close”
And there you have the crux of the matter. Michelle would still be liked had she not become friends with Katie H. I still like her but she has become guilty by association. I like them both and hope to see them both in the final along with Keith.
Originally Posted by Dangermoose:
“I didn't know anything of her before BB so I had no preconceptions or opinion on her. I did wonder on launch night what the fuss was about though - was always something about her I didn't like.”
“I didn't know anything of her before BB so I had no preconceptions or opinion on her. I did wonder on launch night what the fuss was about though - was always something about her I didn't like.”
Same here - I'd never heard of her and still don't really know anything about her, apart from her crying in the diary room about "her community". She seems quite ordinary to me and is not a very big character in the house.
Originally Posted by jeanoj:
“And there you have the crux of the matter. Michelle would still be liked had she not become friends with Katie H. I still like her but she has become guilty by association. I like them both and hope to see them both in the final along with Keith.”
“And there you have the crux of the matter. Michelle would still be liked had she not become friends with Katie H. I still like her but she has become guilty by association. I like them both and hope to see them both in the final along with Keith.”
no offense jeanoj but that is a fallacy i have seen repeated and repeated until people believe it. From previous threads here are some of the reasons people "went off" Michelle NOTHING TO DO WITH KATIE HOPKINS:
Originally Posted by planets:
“You are not the only poster who keeps posting this, yet i've seen you and the posters who like to use this fallacy in threads where people have detailed why they dislike Michelle, or why they "went off" Michelle, and none of it was due to her association with Hopkins. People have repeatedly posted that they started to "go off" Michelle when her actions contradicted her propaganda. For example she would repeatedly state "i'm here for all the freaks and outcasts" that's one of her selling points but then her actions were she would call Alicia "dingbat" and laugh at how stupid she was "one brain cell" etc that's not "being there for the outcasts" that's ridiculing someone because they aren't the same as you.
There was the hypocrisy over attacking Alicia over a banana when we had seen footage of Michelle and Katie stealing and hiding food themselves, yet it was Michelle who rallied the troops with "Dingbat's stolen bananas"....
Then there was further hypocrisy with all the "i'm here for all the LGBT community" unless you happened to be a the wrong type of gay then she would support the person using the descriptor "faggot" . Would she have supported Alex if he'd called Kav a faggot?
So to answer your question no, it's not the fact she hangs out with Katie Hopkins that people dislike Michelle.”
“You are not the only poster who keeps posting this, yet i've seen you and the posters who like to use this fallacy in threads where people have detailed why they dislike Michelle, or why they "went off" Michelle, and none of it was due to her association with Hopkins. People have repeatedly posted that they started to "go off" Michelle when her actions contradicted her propaganda. For example she would repeatedly state "i'm here for all the freaks and outcasts" that's one of her selling points but then her actions were she would call Alicia "dingbat" and laugh at how stupid she was "one brain cell" etc that's not "being there for the outcasts" that's ridiculing someone because they aren't the same as you.
There was the hypocrisy over attacking Alicia over a banana when we had seen footage of Michelle and Katie stealing and hiding food themselves, yet it was Michelle who rallied the troops with "Dingbat's stolen bananas"....
Then there was further hypocrisy with all the "i'm here for all the LGBT community" unless you happened to be a the wrong type of gay then she would support the person using the descriptor "faggot" . Would she have supported Alex if he'd called Kav a faggot?
So to answer your question no, it's not the fact she hangs out with Katie Hopkins that people dislike Michelle.”
Originally Posted by Scarlet O'Hara:
“Same.
My feelings about Michelle didn't change when she befriended KH, because that happened almost straight away. For me it started during banana-gate, when a dominant group chose to make a huge fuss against one (at that point) 'weaker' HM for hiding food when Michelle herself had done the same thing earlier. She then took part in some unwarranted bitching about Alicia's looks and intelligence. It was nasty stuff.
After Perez' 24hr meltdown, I found her crying in the DR about him being a 'bad gay' inauthentic. She just seemed to be enraged, having a meltdown and using it as a stick to beat him with. Losing it over Perez was understandable, but making his actions 'political' didn't feel right to me.
Having mauled Alicia behind her back, she then encouraged her to drop Perez under the guise of 'empowerment', when she herself had no interest in being Alicia's friend and knew Perez was one of the few who did.
In the argument between Cami and Alicia, she chose to validate what was effectively a lie from Cami about not bringing Alicia's family into it. Michelle didn't hear the comment properly or she did hear it, but either way, "she didn't say that" was flagrantly untrue.
I then saw her calling Keith "Switzerland" and telling him to "pick a ****ing side" for "family". She pushed and pushed until Keith said he was on her side. She then moved on to Calum, who calmly explained he's just talking to Perez but it doesn't mean anything...Michelle wanted him to stop having anything to do with Perez because she's "protective" of Calum, and in return she offered to help him.
So what I've observed that put me off actually has little to nothing to do with KH. I find Michelle self-important, slightly intimidating, lacking self-awareness re her own behaviours and quite manipulative. I don't dislike her though. I just don't actively like her anymore.”
“Same.
My feelings about Michelle didn't change when she befriended KH, because that happened almost straight away. For me it started during banana-gate, when a dominant group chose to make a huge fuss against one (at that point) 'weaker' HM for hiding food when Michelle herself had done the same thing earlier. She then took part in some unwarranted bitching about Alicia's looks and intelligence. It was nasty stuff.
After Perez' 24hr meltdown, I found her crying in the DR about him being a 'bad gay' inauthentic. She just seemed to be enraged, having a meltdown and using it as a stick to beat him with. Losing it over Perez was understandable, but making his actions 'political' didn't feel right to me.
Having mauled Alicia behind her back, she then encouraged her to drop Perez under the guise of 'empowerment', when she herself had no interest in being Alicia's friend and knew Perez was one of the few who did.
In the argument between Cami and Alicia, she chose to validate what was effectively a lie from Cami about not bringing Alicia's family into it. Michelle didn't hear the comment properly or she did hear it, but either way, "she didn't say that" was flagrantly untrue.
I then saw her calling Keith "Switzerland" and telling him to "pick a ****ing side" for "family". She pushed and pushed until Keith said he was on her side. She then moved on to Calum, who calmly explained he's just talking to Perez but it doesn't mean anything...Michelle wanted him to stop having anything to do with Perez because she's "protective" of Calum, and in return she offered to help him.
So what I've observed that put me off actually has little to nothing to do with KH. I find Michelle self-important, slightly intimidating, lacking self-awareness re her own behaviours and quite manipulative. I don't dislike her though. I just don't actively like her anymore.”
Originally Posted by mmpfb:
“Michelle?
She went into the house with a sizeable, massively invested and vocal following in the form of The Gays (by which I mean a certain homogenous subset of gays who watch Drag Race and repeat certain stock catchphrases and judge everything in terms of sassy fingersnaps). Those who hadn't heard of her previously thought 'she seems impressive, fair-minded and formidable. I am interested in what she has to say'. After a good first few days she had ascended to the lofty summit of being the favourite to win and no-one had a bad word to say about her, admiring the good intentions of her stated manifesto - to stand up for 'the misfits and the freaks'.
Fast forward to now and after a steadily rising communal murmuring of disappointment expressed as we watched her become the bitch of the country's most successful professional bigot, she is now crying about the hypothetical possibility that she may end up coming behind the show's very own misfit and freak, a contentious character called Perez, who she thinks it's acceptable to call 'that'.
It seems to me if her reputation isn't in tatters after this it bloody well should be. Whatever happens with Hilton or Hopkins they both come out with more notoriety than they went in with, and that's all, ultimately, either of them want. Michelle, however, doesn't currently look anything like the strong principled woman she sold herself as, but as a weak-willed fraud with fake tits and without the tiniest iota of integrity.
So, my question is, is it even vaguely possible there will be a bigger loser than her?”
“Michelle?
She went into the house with a sizeable, massively invested and vocal following in the form of The Gays (by which I mean a certain homogenous subset of gays who watch Drag Race and repeat certain stock catchphrases and judge everything in terms of sassy fingersnaps). Those who hadn't heard of her previously thought 'she seems impressive, fair-minded and formidable. I am interested in what she has to say'. After a good first few days she had ascended to the lofty summit of being the favourite to win and no-one had a bad word to say about her, admiring the good intentions of her stated manifesto - to stand up for 'the misfits and the freaks'.
Fast forward to now and after a steadily rising communal murmuring of disappointment expressed as we watched her become the bitch of the country's most successful professional bigot, she is now crying about the hypothetical possibility that she may end up coming behind the show's very own misfit and freak, a contentious character called Perez, who she thinks it's acceptable to call 'that'.
It seems to me if her reputation isn't in tatters after this it bloody well should be. Whatever happens with Hilton or Hopkins they both come out with more notoriety than they went in with, and that's all, ultimately, either of them want. Michelle, however, doesn't currently look anything like the strong principled woman she sold herself as, but as a weak-willed fraud with fake tits and without the tiniest iota of integrity.
So, my question is, is it even vaguely possible there will be a bigger loser than her?”
Brilliant post, absolute nail on head.
Originally Posted by onfencewithrach:
“Michelle's the biggest disappointment since Kav, Chloe, Cami, Callum, Katie H....”
“Michelle's the biggest disappointment since Kav, Chloe, Cami, Callum, Katie H....”
How has Cami been a disappointment? She was barely known and she started the series as a horrendous, nasty person (her partnership with Chloe - targetting Alicia) and has been consistently nasty throughout.
Originally Posted by jeanoj:
“And there you have the crux of the matter. Michelle would still be liked had she not become friends with Katie H. I still like her but she has become guilty by association. I like them both and hope to see them both in the final along with Keith.”
“And there you have the crux of the matter. Michelle would still be liked had she not become friends with Katie H. I still like her but she has become guilty by association. I like them both and hope to see them both in the final along with Keith.”
This is only a matter of interest, I'm not questioning your three chosen finalists. I was wondering how you feel about the disrespectful way Katie H and Michelle talk about Keith, especially calling him 'The Alcoholic'?
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