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Sorry, they're £530 unconnected:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-Gala...+galaxy+note+4 You could get a Galaxy S5 which was £550 when launched, but now only £375 as apparently they've not been selling: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-G900...sung+galaxy+s5 I work on software systems that do car leasing and it's a similar principle. In some cases it is cheaper to lease hire a more desirable and expensive car because they depreciate less. |
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Well, I was very strongly hinting that the affect of the so called fan boy is to keep the mass of users stupid.
Keeping aBreast of the news it worked great with iCloud. Users were made on the whole ignorant via lack of any Apple security discussion whatsoever. Is it all because of the ever regular faked outrage whenever any real informative stuff is dared to be mentioned?That whole host of (around 36 year old?) iCloud users, got abused for being idiots, and on many a forum. But they all acted on the security info they were given, which as ever with Apple, was as good as zero. I'm curious to know about the iCloud security issues to, because I didn't think what happened involved any breach of iCloud's security. I thought the hackers just managed to figure out people's passwords. |
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I'm curious to know about the iCloud security issues to, because I didn't think what happened involved any breach of iCloud's security. I thought the hackers just managed to figure out people's passwords. Lucky for us we have AW to give us the actual truth (or going by AWs record, the 'likely' truth). Now, be patient and let him explain
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No, no, no.
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you have almost both morphed into the same person, not sure which version would be worse though
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So now apple are mugging anyone who buys their products. Do you realise how stupid you are sounding?
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Like I said in a previous post the total ownership cost of an iPhone ( if you get a new phone every 2 years for example) can turn out lower than an android phone as they don't depreciate as much in value.
I work on software systems that do car leasing and it's a similar principle. In some cases it is cheaper to lease hire a more desirable and expensive car because they depreciate less. I have had my iMac almost 4 years and paid just over half list price. Now that is a cost effective purchase as I already have a buyer when I want to move on. If I only get a couple of hundred that will still work out pretty good. |
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Nothing like sweeping statements from a biased perspective!!!
Many people just PREFER iPhones over the competition - probably even a fair proportion who don't actually buy one - due to their high cost. That does not seem to suit your prejudices...but get over it! ![]()
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I read it properly. You basically called all iPhone owners wannabes and/or idiots. I'm neither.
I have an iPhone. I had an iPod but sold it on since my music library was already all sorted I preferred to simply drag and drop rather than use iTunes which is a hideous bit of software. That said I've actually no idea what my next phone will be because I really don't like large phones and find the 6 too large. I got a moto g to replace my 5 but really didn't enjoy android at all. So returned it and went back to my 5. Because of all the Apple devices it is the most overblown expensive and genuinely is no better than many other smartphones at half the price. I hate the design of the iPhone 6 and simply don't want to associate myself with a phone which is bought by many simply for 'bragging rights'. |
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So you have less than half the Apple kit I have and yet I don't have an iPhone. Now if I listened to some posters on here I should have one because it would play ever so nicely with all my other Apple kit - yet for all that advice I still don't have one - why?
Because of all the Apple devices it is the most overblown expensive and genuinely is no better than many other smartphones at half the price. I hate the design of the iPhone 6 and simply don't want to associate myself with a phone which is bought by many simply for 'bragging rights'. Simple really. You can't slate others (which you did earlier) for buying a phone for bragging when you say you simply won't buy one because people buy it for bragging rights. You're doing the exact same thing just going in the opposite direction. Instead of assessing the phone on its own merits you're dismissing it simply because in your opinion others deem it cool. That puts you in the exact same boat as all the supposed sheep. IMHO the iPhone is better than all its competitors because it's the only phone available that has iOS. For my personal needs that makes it the best phone on the market. Because I like iOS. In the same way the iPhone will always been a no go for someone who likes android. Simply because it doesn't have android. As I said earlier. I'm not stupid. I'm well aware that if you're going by spec sheets alone the iPhone is left in the dust of its nearest android competitors. I'm also well aware that it costs around £250 too much. But the fact is I'm willing to put up with those cons because I want the pro of using iOS. And since I don't base by buying around what others seem cool or what others don't seem cool then I, unlike yourself (as you've said, you want no part of a phone because some buy it simply for bragging rights') make purchases based on what I, and I alone want and need in a device. Also. No Apple device is 'better' flat out that its competitors. I could build a windows PC that leaves any MacBook in its dust for less than half the price. The Samsung range of tablets is just as good as the iPad. All of apples devices are over priced for what you get. The fact is simply that you see the iPhone as some form of status symbol and don't want to associate yourself with that. The mistake you've made is assuming everyone sees it like this. Then when making a phone purchase everyone looks at the iPhone and either goes 'people think that's cool, I want one because of that' or they think 'no way, I'm no sheep'. When in actual fact the vast majority see it for what it is. A phone. And buy it based on the fact they like it over the other phones they've considered. Same as those who buy a HTC or a Samsung. |
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So you have less than half the Apple kit I have and yet I don't have an iPhone. Now if I listened to some posters on here I should have one because it would play ever so nicely with all my other Apple kit - yet for all that advice I still don't have one - why?
Because of all the Apple devices it is the most overblown expensive and genuinely is no better than many other smartphones at half the price. I hate the design of the iPhone 6 and simply don't want to associate myself with a phone which is bought by many simply for 'bragging rights'. I have one as I simply prefer iOS for the ease of use for one thing, sometimes less is more and the killer feature for me is the fingerprint unlock. No fingerprint reader on any other phone is anywhere near as good. I've a Nexus 5 btw which I really just keep now for development purposes. It used to be my actual working phone over the old 5s ( screen too small ) but the 6+ has replaced it for various reasons. the 6+ also has I think one of the easiest to use and best quality cameras and optical stabilisation I've ever seen on a smart phone ( Dxo rate it very highly ) Your assertion that people only buy the iPhone for bragging rights is not only incorrect but actually quite offensive. |
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I do love how you spin things to make it suit your own way of thinking!! Quote:
Well, I didn't think it was the case, until you said this:
"its nothing to do with price since the majority of phones are taken out on contract." If you are limiting this to high end smartphones, then your missing the point spectacularly, seeing as a pretty significant proportion of Android users won't have a high end phone. Someone like my mum would likely go into a phone shop and get a cheap, i.e. no upfront cost, Android phone rather than pay £200 or so for a high end smartphone. What about the people who will work out paying an extra £5 or even £10 per month on a contract to get a free phone instead of paying out £200 upfront for a phone is a better deal? What about upgrades? What about new customers with good deals like a free phone on a decent priced contract? Your missing the point hugely. Not many people do pay upfront cost normally. Quote:
Isn't also the case that if you want to get a fairly recent phone on contract with a fairly low up front cost, you tend to need to be on a more expensive monthly contract?
Indeed. But that's not the point. We are talking about people paying outright for iphones. I am merely saying most do not. So the cost of paying £500+ for an iphone outright doesn't happen for the majority of folk.Quote:
Again, someone like my mum isn't going to want a low upfront cost phone if it means being on a £40+ a month contract. Your mum might not, but others will and indeed do.
So clearly cost is a factor. |
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It was a stupid comment for him to make The example above does show that buying a high end Samsung at release is a mugs game. The price dropping by these companies with no pricing power is an insult to the customer.
Add to the fact that samsung release countless phones per year, they cannot possible keep their prices the same on phones constantly. Apple do 1 release a year then drop the price of the previous model. The principle is the same, just done slightly differently. |
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Tell us more about this iCloud security issue. You seem to know a lot about it.
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I disagree. It's nothing to do with pricing power. It's to do with most products do indeed fall in price a few months after release.
Add to the fact that samsung release countless phones per year, they cannot possible keep their prices the same on phones constantly. Apple do 1 release a year then drop the price of the previous model. The principle is the same, just done slightly differently. |
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To be honest, i don't think anyone will ever know the true nature of how that happened fully.
I cannot believe I just referred to AW and used the word credibly in the same sentence.
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If £550 for an iPhone is being mugged the direct competition must be a LOT cheaper, so where can I buy a Galaxy Note 4 for £200?
I can never understand the many posters who claim they have an iPhone as they tried Android but couldn't get on with it - why? I use iOS and I use Android, what's difficult with either? Turn on your new Android phone and if not importing settings from the Cloud then set up an email account, set preferences for messaging and browser etc. and away you go. Very similar for iOS. None of this is rocket science. |
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Smoke and mirrors, simply smoke and mirrors. Why would you only keep such a super duper phone for only two years.
I have had my iMac almost 4 years and paid just over half list price. Now that is a cost effective purchase as I already have a buyer when I want to move on. If I only get a couple of hundred that will still work out pretty good. You cannot compare a desktop computer which never moves from your desk to a smartphone that is on your person whenever you leave the house and has to suffer the knocks and bumps of the real world. Completely different things. |
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What and your statement isn't sweeping? How have you arrived at your conclusion - where's the science behind it? No, thought not.
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Try the Xperia Z3 Compact - approx £350. As many reviews have alluded to, all the smartphone you'll ever need, no compromises, superb build quality and astonishing battery life.
I can never understand the many posters who claim they have an iPhone as they tried Android but couldn't get on with it - why? I use iOS and I use Android, what's difficult with either? Turn on your new Android phone and if not importing settings from the Cloud then set up an email account, set preferences for messaging and browser etc. and away you go. Very similar for iOS. None of this is rocket science. I wanted to throw my S2 up the wall a few years ago it was such a piece of junk (NEVER have i wanted to do that with any of my Nokia's). Then i got an iPhone 5 and i was just blown away at home much better iOS is. The user experience is much better, its not about this can do X Y & Z and yours cannot, or specs, try that avenue and you have lost the argument, its pure and simple the experience. Even if the hardware goes faulty, what better experience than just walking into an Apple store and walking out with a working device? |
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To be honest, i don't think anyone will ever know the true nature of how that happened fully.
So when they got into someone's account, they didn't get round any security, they simply did so by entering the correct password. |
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I do love how you spin things to make it suit your own way of thinking!!
And what about the million of other users who do indeed have higher cost contracts? What about the people who will work out paying an extra £5 or even £10 per month on a contract to get a free phone instead of paying out £200 upfront for a phone is a better deal? What about upgrades? What about new customers with good deals like a free phone on a decent priced contract? Your missing the point hugely. Not many people do pay upfront cost normally. Indeed. But that's not the point. We are talking about people paying outright for iphones. I am merely saying most do not. So the cost of paying £500+ for an iphone outright doesn't happen for the majority of folk. Your mum might not, but others will and indeed do. And different people will get different phones, even on a contract, depending on the (total) cost they are prepared to pay. Therefore cost is an issue. I don't know why you would try to argue that it isn't. The difference in global market share between Android and iOS is largely down to the fact that Android phones are available at a wider range of costs than the iPhone. Including on contract. |
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Unless I'm missing something, the fact that people choose one phone over another pretty much is evidence the that they prefer the phone they choose.
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My in Laws have switched from an S2 and an S3 to an iPhone 4S and a 5S, and the both cannot believe how much easier the iPhone is to use. I know its true because I'm not up there every other week sorting out their phones because its doing something they don't understand like i was when they had the Samsung Androids.
I wanted to throw my S2 up the wall a few years ago it was such a piece of junk (NEVER have i wanted to do that with any of my Nokia's). Then i got an iPhone 5 and i was just blown away at home much better iOS is. The user experience is much better, its not about this can do X Y & Z and yours cannot, or specs, try that avenue and you have lost the argument, its pure and simple the experience. Even if the hardware goes faulty, what better experience than just walking into an Apple store and walking out with a working device? |
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Try the Xperia Z3 Compact - approx £350. As many reviews have alluded to, all the smartphone you'll ever need, no compromises, superb build quality and astonishing battery life.
The top of the range Xperia is the Z3, which just happens to be £549 from Sony. http://www.sonymobile.com/gb/products/phones/xperia-z3/ You just don't seem to be able to understand that almost all the top manufacturers launch their flagships at £500+, sometimes they might have to drop their price at some stage after launch becuase sales slow down but that doesn't change the original asking price. Whether a person chooses an iPhone 6, a Galaxy s5, a Note 4, or an Xperia Z3 at launch price doesn't make them a sucker or a mug, maybe they just want the best available and not the budget or compact version and have the money to buy it. It does make you look like a mug for making the asinine comments though... |
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