[jonmorris]

Most things get cheaper in time, especially when you can trade devices in a global market. But Apple, like Bose and many others price fix.

That keeps prices stable until Apple opts to reduce the price. Many retailers also get price protection when this happens too.

[Stiggles]

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Originally Posted by tdenson

Stiggles, surely you have to agree that most phones other than the iPhone often have a significant drop in price in the first 12 months. This doesn't usually happen with an iPhone.

Thing is, it does happen often with the iPhone from retailer's other than apple themselves.

At the end of the day, price drops are always good for us the consumer.

[Stiggles]

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Originally Posted by jonmorris

Most things get cheaper in time, especially when you can trade devices in a global market. But Apple, like Bose and many others price fix.

That keeps prices stable until Apple opts to reduce the price. Many retailers also get price protection when this happens too.

Bose is a fine example. I have a few Bose things, one being the sound link mini. Now while it is probably still the best portable Bluetooth speaker, its not worth the £169 they still charge 2 years or so after it launched! But they can get away with it.

[Stiggles]

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Originally Posted by calico_pie

Well, I mentioned the S5 as a red herring seeing as its still a current model.

Obviously prices will drop over time for a variety of reasons.

If a current model has its price dropped by the manufacturer (rather than, say, hotdealsuk) soon after release, and before a newer equivalent model, then that suggests they maybe misjudged the pricing.

If an older model drops in price after its been out for a good while and a newer equivalent model is now available, then that's just a natural fall in price as older models are replaced by newer models.

I don't memorise every post, no. But I'd probably remember you disagreeing with posters you would usually agree with. Or at least keep quiet if you do disagree with them.

If you say you posted to disagree with anyone who posted about the price drop of the 5C being evidence of it failing, then I must have just missed it.

You must have since I'm always fairly neutral on here and am the first to admit when any OS or manufacturer has faults. Sadly some on here won't have a bad word said about apple for example even when its warranted.

I'll slate samsung, lg, Sony etc if something i don't like crops up.

[jonmorris]

Even though it is illegal to price fix, few people take or want action taken. If you sell Bose, Apple, Alpine and other big name 'premium' brands you don't want to be undercut. You want to enjoy good margins and not suffer a cut in price that leaves you with stock bought at the higher price (not everyone gets price protection or the luxury of being able to return unsold stock).

I had my own issues with two network operators that each wanted to cut my supply when I sold their phones below retail price (this was back in the 1990s). I won't mention names, but one was VERY quick to backtrack when I published the content of a compulsory 'training course' where everyone in the room was basically there to be told how to play the game or go out of business. It got into a UK trade newspaper and suddenly they had a 'change of policy'. The other network also fell foul of the regulator not long after after a few people blew the whistle.

But who would want to be cut off by Apple? And if you said anything, who else would back you? Yeah, good luck with that.

Samsung has tried to mange pricing too, even by trying to lock phones to particular regions, but failed because of a much bigger global market trading their devices - and people getting around things.

The plus side for the consumer is the high resale value of an Apple product. That £2000 iMac is probably still worth £500-800 or even more after 4-5 years. Good luck getting good money back on an item that ended up being sold for about that after a year.

[calico_pie]

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Originally Posted by jonmorris

Even though it is illegal to price fix, few people take or want action taken. If you sell Bose, Apple, Alpine and other big name 'premium' brands you don't want to be undercut. You want to enjoy good margins and not suffer a cut in price that leaves you with stock bought at the higher price (not everyone gets price protection or the luxury of being able to return unsold stock).

Apple are illegally fixing the price of iPhones? I thought price fixing of an illegal nature had to involve at least two parties in collusion.

I don't see how a company is anything other than free to set the price of a product at whatever it sees fit.

Can you talk a bit more about how Apple (or Bose) are guilty of illegally fixing prices?

[calico_pie]

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

You must have since I'm always fairly neutral on here and am the first to admit when any OS or manufacturer has faults. Sadly some on here won't have a bad word said about apple for example even when its warranted.

I'll slate samsung, lg, Sony etc if something i don't like crops up.

I wasn't really talking about you slating other brands.

I was talking about whether or not you made the same point about prices when people were discussing the 5C.

[swordman]

Sometimes it's an odd world where people celebrate and rejoice in high prices, power of the brand strikes again. Especially when I was able to purchase the best phone around at the time for less than £300.

[Gigabit]

Why doesn't Android have a status bar battery percentage - it's the thing that really annoys me about it - iOS has had it for years.

[kidspud]

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

You must have since I'm always fairly neutral on here and am the first to admit when any OS or manufacturer has faults. Sadly some on here won't have a bad word said about apple for example even when its warranted.

I'll slate samsung, lg, Sony etc if something i don't like crops up.

i can only assume that you think that if you say it often enough others will start believing it. It's become a bit a of mantra of yours lately

[Stiggles]

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Originally Posted by Gigabit

Why doesn't Android have a status bar battery percentage - it's the thing that really annoys me about it - iOS has had it for years.

It does on my LG G3.

[kidspud]

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Originally Posted by swordman

Sometimes it's an odd world where people celebrate and rejoice in high prices, power of the brand strikes again. Especially when I was able to purchase the best phone around at the time for less than £300.

Shouldn't take you long to point to a post that 'celebrate and rejoice' high prices.

[Stiggles]

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Originally Posted by kidspud

i can only assume that you think that if you say it often enough others will start believing it. It's become a bit a of mantra of yours lately

Really? So I haven't always said it?

Have i not slatted Samsung in the past for not bothering to put the Octo CPU in phones in the UK? The fact they pinched ideas from apple and other companies? The fact pretty much every company pinches other ideas? The fact some Sony phones are shockingly built that leads to the glass on the back cracking for no reason?

Unlike you, I don't focus on one brand and constantly rip into it for no reason.

[Gigabit]

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

It does on my LG G3.

Sorry, I should have said: why doesn't stock Android have a battery percentage.

[jonmorris]

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Originally Posted by calico_pie

Apple are illegally fixing the price of iPhones? I thought price fixing of an illegal nature had to involve at least two parties in collusion.

I don't see how a company is anything other than free to set the price of a product at whatever it sees fit.

Can you talk a bit more about how Apple (or Bose) are guilty of illegally fixing prices?

I think you're confusing something else, like Apple's price fixing of eBooks that was more like a cartel because it was collusion with other publishers.

I'm talking about what happens to someone who chooses to sell below a suggested retail price. I've been on 'courses' which were quite simply places where you were told, off the record of course, how things worked if you wanted to sell their products.

I exposed one of these personally in the press and settled out of court with another. One day maybe someone will take action against Apple, but that's not up to me as I'm no longer selling phones or any other electronic products.

The way companies get away with it is by saying on record that people can sell their goods for any price they want, but then failing to supply goods to those people.

People either complain or comply. It's often more sensible to comply.

[kidspud]

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

Really? So I haven't always said it?

Have i not slatted Samsung in the past for not bothering to put the Octo CPU in phones in the UK? The fact they pinched ideas from apple and other companies? The fact pretty much every company pinches other ideas? The fact some Sony phones are shockingly built that leads to the glass on the back cracking for no reason?

Unlike you, I don't focus on one brand and constantly rip into it for no reason.

I comment based on my experience. I own Samsung phones and Apple iPods/iPads.

I will give you one thing. You love affair with Samsung did turn quickly once you decided you didn't like them anymore.

[kidspud]

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Originally Posted by jonmorris

I think you're confusing something else, like Apple's price fixing of eBooks that was more like a cartel because it was collusion with other publishers.

I'm talking about what happens to someone who chooses to sell below a suggested retail price. I've been on 'courses' which were quite simply places where you were told, off the record of course, how things worked if you wanted to sell their products.

I exposed one of these personally in the press and settled out of court with another. One day maybe someone will take action against Apple, but that's not up to me as I'm no longer selling phones or any other electronic products.

The way companies get away with it is by saying on record that people can sell their goods for any price they want, but then failing to supply goods to those people.

People either complain or comply. It's often more sensible to comply.

In the modern ecommerce world it would be impossible to control this. The grey market would be full of cheap iPhones if it was possible. I'm also amazed that if apple do run these 'courses' that someone wouldn't have exposed them by now.

[calico_pie]

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Originally Posted by swordman

Sometimes it's an odd world where people celebrate and rejoice in high prices, power of the brand strikes again. Especially when I was able to purchase the best phone around at the time for less than £300.

Who is anyone celebrating and rejoicing in high prices?

Oh, wait. That'll be no-one.

[Stiggles]

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Originally Posted by kidspud

I comment based on my experience. I own Samsung phones and Apple iPods/iPads.

I will give you one thing. You love affair with Samsung did turn quickly once you decided you didn't like them anymore.

My love affair? I never had one!

I owned an s2, moved to an iPhone, then moved to an s3. Didn't really like it and moved on but I did say and still will it was streets ahead of the iPhone at the time. I still however buy Samsung telly's so I don't not like them at all.

I find it amusing though how you comment a lot about Iphones having never owned one though yet have a go at people here who have owned them when they say something about it or apple.

[kidspud]

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

My love affair? I never had one!

I owned an s2, moved to an iPhone, then moved to an s3. Didn't really like it and moved on but I did say and still will it was streets ahead of the iPhone at the time. I still however buy Samsung telly's so I don't not like them at all.

I find it amusing though how you comment a lot about Iphones having never owned one though yet have a go at people here who have owned them when they say something about it or apple.

I thought you went between HTC and iPhone. Maybe I'm imagining that.

There are many, many posts on here with you defending the Samsung to the hilt, but quite frankly, I really don't care. If you have a problem with the comments I make about Samsung or apple then I'm happy to debate.

[Stiggles]

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Originally Posted by kidspud

I thought you went between HTC and iPhone. Maybe I'm imagining that.

There are many, many posts on here with you defending the Samsung to the hilt, but quite frankly, I really don't care. If you have a problem with the comments I make about Samsung or apple then I'm happy to debate.

No, I had an HTC Desire HD before I had the S2. I think. I did have a Sony Ericson slide phone at some point as well, but can't remember where that fits in. Was rubbish anyway.

OK, well debate instead always questioning which phones I have had!

The only time I have defended Samsung is if something which is nonsense has been said about them. Same as I would do if it was any other company. If apple for instance was accused by someone on here for something which was clearly nonsense, I would correct that as well.

[alanwarwic]

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Originally Posted by kidspud

i suppose you could deduce that, however, I suspect you would be wrong.

However, I believe there have been many surveys published about which devices are used the most for online activity. You might want to look them up.
I would like to know how these fools continually end up with money to spend.

It is what was said, and one can only conclude they were app use stats.

Releasing them a year or two late tells us a heck of a lot about the what and why. I'm certain they would have been withheld further if no Apple phablet was due.

[kidspud]

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Originally Posted by alanwarwic

It is what was said, and one can only conclude they were app use stats.

Releasing them a year or two late tells us a heck of a lot about the what and why. I'm certain they would have been withheld further if no Apple phablet was due.

I don't question what a specific claim has said. Having not seen it I don't know how either you or them are making their deduction.

As I said, there are loads of usage stats out there. Maybe you could link to these particular ones that you are 'certain' tells us the everything.

At the moment this just looks like another of your CT.

[kidspud]

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

No, I had an HTC Desire HD before I had the S2. I think. I did have a Sony Ericson slide phone at some point as well, but can't remember where that fits in. Was rubbish anyway.

OK, well debate instead always questioning which phones I have had!

The only time I have defended Samsung is if something which is nonsense has been said about them. Same as I would do if it was any other company. If apple for instance was accused by someone on here for something which was clearly nonsense, I would correct that as well.

so pretty much the same as I do with Apple then.

[Sexbomb]

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

It does on my LG G3.

And my htc.