[kidspud]

Quote:

Originally Posted by swordman

Perhaps you can tell us all what price would constitute a non rapid price drop. While your at it what price a phone that is not lacking should be after a year, in percentage terms if you like

Why the smiley? Do you think you said something humorous?

I'm not sure anything I say is going to change your mind so maybe you should decide for yourself whether you think the price has crashed. I know that would involve you stating an opinion, which lets face it, you haven't managed up until now, but give it a go, you might enjoy it.

[swordman]

So we can take that as yet another of your empty statements you can't explain our justify yet again. No worries I knew no answer would be forthcoming

[Stiggles]

Quote:

Originally Posted by tdenson

Despite you recent protestations to the contrary, you really are being rather argumentative over this matter. In a nutshell all Kidspud is saying is that iPhones keep their price better than Samsung phones. How can one possibly argue with that statement ?

Ah OK. So let me get this right...I'm protesting and being argumentative because I think he's incorrect. Yet when you think I'm wrong its "all kidspud is saying"! Got to love this place sometimes

I'm not arguing that apple don't keep prices better than Samsung since I completely agree they do. Problem is, he claims prices have crashed on 2 phones one of which was a refurb model (the G3), and one that was 2 years old and was on sale to boot ( the G2). Don't you think those 2 examples are a bit daft to make? Im pretty sure if I made those claims, I would be shot down, and rightly so.

The other 2 phones I have agreed on because one flopped and the other had no big sell points and wasn't a great update. I'm talking about the other 2 phones which i have made clear over many posts now.

[Stiggles]

Quote:

Originally Posted by kidspud

The fact you seem to want to ignore that one of the phones is the current premier phone from the worlds largest mobile phone maker and your apparent lack of knowledge regarding pricing power shows your ignorance on the subject.

What I find humorous in this neutral world of yours is you are now dismissing the phones listed, when it was not even me that tried to use them as an example.

Oh well, I'm very happy to stand by my statement that the price of the phones have crashed. That is clearly an issue for any business.

I'm not ignoring that at all. In fact, if you bothered to read posts properly, you would see I have said countless times now that one flopped and one wasnt really a worthwhile update. Why do you keep ignoring this?

What I find humorous is, that despite me saying 2 android phones have pretty much flopped countless times on this thread, you keep post after post questioning my neutrality on this subject. Something you yourself have a cheek to scold anyone for after your posts on here which are purely pro apple, yet something you claim are not.

I'm asking you to explain, since you apparently know all about this, how the price can have crashed on a refurb phone and a 2 year old phone that was on sale for a few days also. I'm telling you it's nothing to do with pricing power. You yet haven't given me any decent argument back to explain your view to me apart from petty and frankly odd posts.

Instead of the condescending posts over and over to people here, how about you actually answer it properly instead of telling people they haven't yet made a valid point which is something you are doing yourself.

[kidspud]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stiggles

I'm not ignoring that at all. In fact, if you bothered to read posts properly, you would see I have said countless times now that one flopped and one wasnt really a worthwhile update. Why do you keep ignoring this?

What I find humorous is, that despite me saying 2 android phones have pretty much flopped countless times on this thread, you keep post after post questioning my neutrality on this subject. Something you yourself have a cheek to scold anyone for after your posts on here which are purely pro apple, yet something you claim are not.

I'm asking you to explain, since you apparently know all about this, how the price can have crashed on a refurb phone and a 2 year old phone that was on sale for a few days also. I'm telling you it's nothing to do with pricing power. You yet haven't given me any decent argument back to explain your view to me apart from petty and frankly odd posts.

Instead of the condescending posts over and over to people here, how about you actually answer it properly instead of telling people they haven't yet made a valid point which is something you are doing yourself.

Pricing power is the ability of a manufacturer to control the price under all circumstances.

If a device flops (and although you keep saying it I haven't seen that claim made on here about the S5), Samsung could have stuck with a higher price and used its power in the market (reputation, loyalty, brand strength) to hold the pricing. They don't/didn't. Mainly because people will not pay the high price and will wait for it to fall. They lack pricing power.

As for the 2 year old hone, the original poster of the info stated that a phone I had seen only recently for £230 was not £150. That is a crash. As for the refurb, it is over 50% rep, that is a crash.

As for you last bit. As far as I'm concerned I answered you, just because you don't like the answer, that is not my problem. Oh, and look back at this tread, Swordman is trolling and has provided nothing, why would I answer him.

Now unless you are telling me the manufacturers are happy with the current pricing situations with their phones, I expect we actually agree.

[kidspud]

Quote:

Originally Posted by swordman

So we can take that as yet another of your empty statements you can't explain our justify yet again. No worries I knew no answer would be forthcoming

You can take what you wish. In the thread (like all others) you have just trolled.

Obviously your holiday did you little good.

[Stiggles]

Quote:

Originally Posted by kidspud

Pricing power is the ability of a manufacturer to control the price under all circumstances.

If a device flops (and although you keep saying it I haven't seen that claim made on here about the S5), Samsung could have stuck with a higher price and used its power in the market (reputation, loyalty, brand strength) to hold the pricing. They don't/didn't. Mainly because people will not pay the high price and will wait for it to fall. They lack pricing power.

As for the 2 year old hone, the original poster of the info stated that a phone I had seen only recently for £230 was not £150. That is a crash. As for the refurb, it is over 50% rep, that is a crash.

As for you last bit. As far as I'm concerned I answered you, just because you don't like the answer, that is not my problem. Oh, and look back at this tread, Swordman is trolling and has provided nothing, why would I answer him.

Now unless you are telling me the manufacturers are happy with the current pricing situations with their phones, I expect we actually agree.

You didn't answer.

You have now, and i thank you for that. I still disagree however. A phone on sale and a refurb phone at half price isnt a crash. But look, I'm not willing to carry this on forever since we will never agree on it.

Best moving on to the actual topic before this gets closed like every other thread does.

[swordman]

Quote:

Originally Posted by kidspud

You can take what you wish. In the thread (like all others) you have just trolled.

Obviously your holiday did you little good.

No need for the aggression just because you are unable to substantiate your own claims .

[kidspud]

Quote:

Originally Posted by swordman

No need for the aggression just because you are unable to substantiate your own claims .

I have. You being unable to understand isn't my problem. Although it does explain a lot.

Let me know if you actually have anything to say.

[jalal]

It's not surprising Apple are making as much as money as they are, folks spending £400 on Samsungs that really feel like £200 phone.

All plastic, not style or luxurious feeling to it. Granted you pay a lot with Apple but even till now the iPhone 4 looks better than the majority of the 2014 phones released.

[tdenson]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stiggles

Ah OK. So let me get this right...I'm protesting and being argumentative because I think he's incorrect. Yet when you think I'm wrong its "all kidspud is saying"! Got to love this place sometimes

I'm not arguing that apple don't keep prices better than Samsung since I completely agree they do. Problem is, he claims prices have crashed on 2 phones one of which was a refurb model (the G3), and one that was 2 years old and was on sale to boot ( the G2). Don't you think those 2 examples are a bit daft to make? Im pretty sure if I made those claims, I would be shot down, and rightly so.

The other 2 phones I have agreed on because one flopped and the other had no big sell points and wasn't a great update. I'm talking about the other 2 phones which i have made clear over many posts now.

I may not have been paying attention properly, and can't really be bothered to trawl back through but I thought the debate was over whether Samsung lacked 'pricing power' in comparison with the iPhone.

[jabbamk1]

I've been able to get my hands on a report at work yesterday and decided to do some number crunching.

Cumulative sales* of the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus exceeded 70 million units as of December 31st 2014 in more than 115 markets worldwide. This is compared to sales of the iPhone 5s which hit 40 million units in the same time frame.

One thing to keep in mind is that the 6 and 6 Plus are two SKU's where as the 5s is just one SKU (excluding xGB models + colours). Despite this the iPhone 6 on its own has still done better than the 5s (in the same time period) and is at 50 million units sold.

As per the title, Q4 saw Apple sell in 74.5m smartphones with approximately 16 million in China, more than 20 million in the USA and more than 30 million in Europe and RotW.

iPhone 6 and 6 plus sales are expected to exceed more than cumulative 100 million sales before the end of Q1 CY2015.

*Sales = Sold in

[alanwarwic]

Quote:

Originally Posted by jabbamk1

.... Despite this the iPhone 6 on its own has still done better than the 5s and is at 50 million units sold. ...

There is a bit of a problem with that data

I thought I heard that the cheap iPhone 5c, the cheap plastic one that drops less phone calls, had sold more than the 5s.

[jabbamk1]

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Originally Posted by alanwarwic

There is a bit of a problem with that data

I thought I heard that the cheap iPhone 5c, the cheap plastic one that drops less phone calls, had sold more than the 5s.

Sorry,

Should read within the same time period. IPhone 5s sold 40m by end of 2013. iPhone 6 exceeded 50 million by end of 2014.

I don't have LTD sales of iPhone 5s and 5c. Only comparative sales within the same time frame and the 6 series is doing better. But the 5S clearly sold better. Where did you hear the 5C outsold 5S? The 5S has always sold better than the 5C worldwide.

[alanwarwic]

http://www.uswitch.com/mobiles/news/...s_in_november/

That reads as that fewer newbies in the UK were willing to pay the stupid Apple prices for the 6 and 6 Plus.

I'm also puzzled why people were willing to pay for the low resolution 6 when it competes with the likes of the Moto G and above.
I guess it was next one up to the 5c, with the Plus being even too OTT in price for them.

[kidspud]

Quote:

Originally Posted by jabbamk1

I've been able to get my hands on a report at work yesterday and decided to do some number crunching.

Cumulative sales* of the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus exceeded 70 million units as of December 31st 2014 in more than 115 markets worldwide. This is compared to sales of the iPhone 5s which hit 40 million units in the same time frame.

One thing to keep in mind is that the 6 and 6 Plus are two SKU's where as the 5s is just one SKU (excluding xGB models + colours). Despite this the iPhone 6 on its own has still done better than the 5s (in the same time period) and is at 50 million units sold.

As per the title, Q4 saw Apple sell in 74.5m smartphones with approximately 16 million in China, more than 20 million in the USA and more than 30 million in Europe and RotW.

iPhone 6 and 6 plus sales are expected to exceed more than cumulative 100 million sales before the end of Q1 CY2015.

*Sales = Sold in

Not sure I understand those figures fully. If 6 & 6 plus exceeded 70 million, that would imply very few iPhone 5s/5c/4s sales.

[kidspud]

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanwarwic

http://www.uswitch.com/mobiles/news/...s_in_november/

That reads as that fewer newbies in the UK were willing to pay the stupid Apple prices for the 6 and 6 Plus.

I'm also puzzled why people were willing to pay for the low resolution 6 when it competes with the likes of the Moto G and above.
I guess it was next one up to the 5c, with the Plus being even too OTT in price for them.

It is because you think the 6 competes with the Moto g that you are puzzled. Unfortunately you are beyond help.

[jabbamk1]

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanwarwic

http://www.uswitch.com/mobiles/news/...s_in_november/

That reads as that fewer newbies in the UK were willing to pay the stupid Apple prices for the 6 and 6 Plus.
.

lol. USwitch mobile tracker is not a valid source.

That's like using the play.com best sellers list to ascertain that "Bones Season 7" is the most popular tv show in the UK right now.

The iPhone 5s has been outselling the iPhone 5c every quarter worldwide which was my original point. Whether that applies in the UK I can't say for sure.

[jabbamk1]

Quote:

Originally Posted by kidspud

Not sure I understand those figures fully. If 6 & 6 plus exceeded 70 million, that would imply very few iPhone 5s/5c/4s sales.

How so? 44m+ for 5S, 5C and 4S in the last half of 2014 seems good to me.

[kidspud]

Quote:

Originally Posted by jabbamk1

How so? 44m+ for 5S, 5C and 4S in the last half of 2014 seems good to me.

Sorry, I forgot some iPhone 6 sales were in the previous quarter.

They are impressive numbers.

[alanwarwic]

I can't see why not. The 5c was said to be close to the 5s in sales mid 2014 and the 6 would likely grab 5s sales, not 5c sales.

And remember, we are now being told small phones have low engagement, so logically, same buyers do not need an expensive phone in the first place.

They might thus actually prefer a phone that is better at phone calls, might they not?

[kidspud]

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanwarwic

I can't see why not. The 5c was said to be close to the 5s in sales mid 2014 and the 6 would likely grab 5s sales, not 5c sales.

And remember, we are now being told small phones have low engagement, so logically, same buyers do not need an expensive phone in the first place.

They might thus actually prefer a phone that is better at phone calls, might they not?

By whom?

[jabbamk1]

Quote:

Originally Posted by kidspud

Sorry, I forgot some iPhone 6 sales were in the previous quarter.

They are impressive numbers.

Just to add some perspective. First two quarters have seen iPhone 6 and 6 Plus reach cumulative shipments of over 70 million.

Now whilst the Samsung Galaxy S4 and S5 were not released at the same time, if we combine the first two quarters of their sales we end up with over 65 million cumulative sales. (29m for S5 itself)

However it is worth bearing in mind that the iPhone 6/6+ launched late in the quarter where as the S4 and S5 launched early in the quarter meaning that there is around ~2 months extra tracking time on the Galaxy S4/S5. But then we are talking about two simultaneous phone launches and two phone launches a year apart so not the best comparison ever.

[alanwarwic]

And hey jabbank, with Apple withholding its UK figures, did Apple UK actually see any increase on 6 sales from last years UK 5 sales ?

Are many more here buying the 6 or is it mainly just expanded customer bases in China and Japan plus failsafe US sales?

That uswitch stuff hinted, 'no the UK did not'.

[jabbamk1]

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanwarwic

And hey jabbank, with Apple withholding its UK figures, did Apple UK actually see any increase on 6 sales from last years UK 5 sales ?

Are many more here buying the 6?

That uswitch stuff hinted, 'no the UK did not'.

No idea, I don't have enough UK figures to even make a comment. And even when I get more data at the end of March it won't break down sales for each model in the UK, It would just show me cumulative sell through of all SKU's to end users.

For reference, Apple sold through more than 6m smartphones to end users in CY2013.