Apple sold 74.5M iPhones in Q4 2015

kidspud · 30-01-2015, 16:12

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Originally Posted by Faust

Not sure how the buyer can claim to be a winner when they have just had their wallet mugged.

Mind you they say there's one born every minute.

So now apple are mugging anyone who buys their products. Do you realise how stupid you are sounding?

calico_pie · 30-01-2015, 16:37

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

Not sure how you came to that conclusion from that post....

Anyway, your logic is flawed since more poeple have android phones than iphones. And its nothing to do with price since the majority of phones are taken out on contract.

I usually pay for a phone outright.

When you say it has nothing to do with price, does that mean a really cheap, low spec phone costs the same as a high end smartphone if you get a contract?

I always thought there was some upfront cost, and newer, higher end smartphones tended to still cost up to £200 or more, even with a contract.

Is that no longer the case?

BKM · 30-01-2015, 16:53

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Originally Posted by Faust

At the end of the day for the majority (especially the younger buyer) owning an iPhone is all about peer pressure and status. Anyone who claims otherwise isn't really being honest.

Nothing like sweeping statements from a biased perspective!!!

Many people just PREFER iPhones over the competition - probably even a fair proportion who don't actually buy one - due to their high cost. That does not seem to suit your prejudices...but get over it!

tdenson · 30-01-2015, 17:20

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

Yes, that old chestnut. Like people choose Iphone's for iOS like you do.

But that is exactly my point. I choose the iPhone, just like the other 80% of the world who choose other phones do not choose Android, they choose a phone.

Lyceum · 30-01-2015, 17:21

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Originally Posted by Faust

One is the home of Apple - obsessed by cult and celebrities and the second has an aspiring middle class who is also obsessed with cult and celebrity.

At the end of the day for the majority (especially the younger buyer) owning an iPhone is all about peer pressure and status. Anyone who claims otherwise isn't really being honest.

You do realise what a completely muppet like statement that is don't you? No sadly you probably don't.

I'm 36. I've had iPhones since the 3G. I couldn't give a flying toss who has what phone and how popular they are. I don't do peer pressure.

I couldn't tell you what celebrities have what phones because it's irrelevant.

Anyone who assumes that grown adults buy phones based on anything besides the fact that they like those phones is an idiot.

Apple have sold 70 million + phones. All of those buyers, are shallow idiots who are buying soley due to peer pressure?

I buy iPhones because I like iOS and enjoy the level of customer service Apple provide. My phone does everything I want. As I want. That's why I buy iPhones. Not because some supposed celebrity has been seen with one. Why don't I buy android? I don't like it as much as I like iOS. And if I want iOS I have to buy an iPhone. It's really that simple. It baffles me that some people literally can't comprehend that other like something they don't and thus have to find excuses as to why others like something they don't. Instead of just accepting that people have different opinions.

Get a grip.

alanwarwic · 30-01-2015, 17:24

Well it is the same with anything.
Brand awareness and as Faust says peer pressure advertising is what does it.

You always target the young because they are the biggest consumer spenders. They spend big and sometimes borrow big too.

Faust · 30-01-2015, 17:29

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Originally Posted by Lyceum

You do realise what a completely muppet like statement that is don't you? No sadly you probably don't.

I'm 36. I've had iPhones since the 3G. I couldn't give a flying toss who has what phone and how popular they are. I don't do peer pressure.

I couldn't tell you what celebrities have what phones because it's irrelevant.

Anyone who assumes that grown adults buy phones based on anything besides the fact that they like those phones is an idiot.

Apple have sold 70 million + phones. All of those buyers, are shallow idiots who are buying soley due to peer pressure?

I buy iPhones because I like iOS and enjoy the level of customer service Apple provide. My phone does everything I want. As I want. That's why I buy iPhones. Not because some supposed celebrity has been seen with one. Why don't I buy android? I don't like it as much as I like iOS. And if I want iOS I have to buy an iPhone. It's really that simple. It baffles me that some people literally can't comprehend that other like something they don't and thus have to find excuses as to why others like something they don't. Instead of just accepting that people have different opinions.

Get a grip.

Well you've given us the Apple mantra, you claim not to be a 36 year old idiot and yet you've clearly not read my post properly. As you say though you're not a 36 year old idiot.

P.S. How much Apple kit have you got?

jonner101 · 30-01-2015, 17:32

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Originally Posted by Faust

Not sure how the buyer can claim to be a winner when they have just had their wallet mugged.

Mind you they say there's one born every minute.

Don't know why you are so angry or bitter but in actual fact the total cost of ownership of an iPhone can actually be less than an Android because of the typically higher re-sale value iPhones have.

kidspud · 30-01-2015, 17:33

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Originally Posted by alanwarwic

Well it is the same with anything.
Brand awareness and as Faust says peer pressure advertising is what does it.

You always target the young because they are the biggest consumer spenders. They spend big and sometimes borrow big too.

what are you calling young. 35-45yo are the biggest consumer spenders.

Lyceum · 30-01-2015, 17:34

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Originally Posted by alanwarwic

Well it is the same with anything.
Brand awareness and as Faust says peer pressure advertising is what does it.

You always target the young because they are the biggest consumer spenders. They spend big and sometimes borrow big too.

Im not disagreeing with that. I'm disagreeing with anyone who says if you have an iPhone it's because you want to look cool, and if you say it isn't ,you're lying.

That is completely idiotic. Condescending statement to make. And made simply because the poster doesn't like iPhones.

I don't like peas. I don't assume everyone who does is an idiot do I. I just accept that people have different tastes. Which is something people who dislike iPhones seem to be completely incapable of doing. They have to, for some unknown reason try to paint iPhone users as shallow idiots who don't know any better and liked be over charged (because flagship android phones aren't they same price bracket as iPhones are they) Instead of just accepting not everyone likes the same thing and just because someone doesn't want an android phone it doesn't mean they're trying to be hip and cool. It means simply that, they don't want an android phone.

Lyceum · 30-01-2015, 17:36

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Originally Posted by Faust

Well you've given us the Apple mantra, you claim not to be a 36 year old idiot and yet you've clearly not read my post properly. As you say though you're not a 36 year old idiot.

P.S. How much Apple kit have you got?

I read it properly. You basically called all iPhone owners wannabes and/or idiots. I'm neither.

I have an iPhone. I had an iPod but sold it on since my music library was already all sorted I preferred to simply drag and drop rather than use iTunes which is a hideous bit of software.

That said I've actually no idea what my next phone will be because I really don't like large phones and find the 6 too large. I got a moto g to replace my 5 but really didn't enjoy android at all. So returned it and went back to my 5.

calico_pie · 30-01-2015, 18:43

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Originally Posted by BKM

Nothing like sweeping statements from a biased perspective!!!

Many people just PREFER iPhones over the competition - probably even a fair proportion who don't actually buy one - due to their high cost. That does not seem to suit your prejudices...but get over it!

No, no, no.

If people ever buy an iPhone, it can never simply be a legitimate preference.

It will almost always be for one of the following reasons:

1. People have been conned by Apple.

2. People are idiots who would never buy an iPhone if only they knew what they were missing out on.

3. Peer pressure and a desire to belong to some sort of collective.

But never just because they might, you know, prefer an iPhone.

Sounds crazy, but there we are.

calico_pie · 30-01-2015, 18:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Faust

One is the home of Apple - obsessed by cult and celebrities and the second has an aspiring middle class who is also obsessed with cult and celebrity.

Conclusion: people who buy iPhones are obsessed with cult and celebrity, and only buy iPhones because of that obsession.

Priceless.

Quote:

At the end of the day for the majority (especially the younger buyer) owning an iPhone is all about peer pressure and status. Anyone who claims otherwise isn't really being honest.

I'm going to claim otherwise. I would wager the majority of people who buy iPhones buy them because they just prefer them.

calico_pie · 30-01-2015, 18:51

Can someone please explain to me how this even works.

On the one hand 80% have something other than an iPhone.

But on the other hand, everyone who buys an iPhone is buying an iPhone because everyone else has an iPhone.

This makes literally no sense to me.

Stiggles · 30-01-2015, 19:02

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Originally Posted by calico_pie

I usually pay for a phone outright.

When you say it has nothing to do with price, does that mean a really cheap, low spec phone costs the same as a high end smartphone if you get a contract?

I always thought there was some upfront cost, and newer, higher end smartphones tended to still cost up to £200 or more, even with a contract.

Is that no longer the case?

You know perfectly fine that's not the case and the price you pay upfront depends on offers or the price of the actual contract.. Why do you always try to act the buffoon in an attempt to rubbish someone's post? Invariably, its you who always looks silly.

Well as always you are incorrect as it never was the case.

Not every contract requires an upfront payment even on high end phones. I paid nothing upfront for my 4S when it was on contract and in fact, I have never paid up front for a contract phone. However I now only buy outright.

But all that makes no odds. Affordability to own an iPhone is no issue when they, if you do decide to pay up front on a lower contract cost the same as any other high end smartphone.

d123 · 30-01-2015, 19:08

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Originally Posted by Faust

Not sure how the buyer can claim to be a winner when they have just had their wallet mugged.

Mind you they say there's one born every minute.

If £550 for an iPhone is being mugged the direct competition must be a LOT cheaper, so where can I buy a Galaxy Note 4 for £200?

jchamier · 30-01-2015, 19:14

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Originally Posted by d123

If £550 for an iPhone is being mugged the direct competition must be a LOT cheaper, so where can I buy a Galaxy Note 4 for £200?

Sorry, they're £530 unconnected:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-Gala...+galaxy+note+4

You could get a Galaxy S5 which was £550 when launched, but now only £375 as apparently they've not been selling:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-G900...sung+galaxy+s5

calico_pie · 30-01-2015, 19:43

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Originally Posted by Faust

Well you've given us the Apple mantra, you claim not to be a 36 year old idiot and yet you've clearly not read my post properly. As you say though you're not a 36 year old idiot.

P.S. How much Apple kit have you got?

Apple mantra my arse.

alanwarwic · 30-01-2015, 19:45

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Originally Posted by Faust

You have just made my argument for me - i.e no thought involved, a bit like 'sheep' - thanks.

Quote:

Originally Posted by calico_pie

...Can you point used the direction of some of these people and their claims about wanting to "belong to a collective"? ...

Its not about wanting, it is about being persuaded. Android and Windows still has a healthy sceptic ownership whilst with Apple it is deemed very offensive to be even a sceptic.

Prior to the naked iCloud controversy all we got about iCloud was that meant an 8GB iPhone is all you need. That is exactly what makes people always unwitting and this so called stupid.

Sometimes you ain't defending them , you are just making them more ignorant.

calico_pie · 30-01-2015, 19:49

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

You know perfectly fine that's not the case and the price you pay upfront depends on offers or the price of the actual contract.. Why do you always try to act the buffoon in an attempt to rubbish someone's post? Invariably, its you who always looks silly.

Well as always you are incorrect as it never was the case.

Not every contract requires an upfront payment even on high end phones. I paid nothing upfront for my 4S when it was on contract and in fact, I have never paid up front for a contract phone. However I now only buy outright.

But all that makes no odds. Affordability to own an iPhone is no issue when they, if you do decide to pay up front on a lower contract cost the same as any other high end smartphone.

Well, I didn't think it was the case, until you said this:

"its nothing to do with price since the majority of phones are taken out on contract."

If you are limiting this to high end smartphones, then your missing the point spectacularly, seeing as a pretty significant proportion of Android users won't have a high end phone.

Someone like my mum would likely go into a phone shop and get a cheap, i.e. no upfront cost, Android phone rather than pay £200 or so for a high end smartphone.

Isn't also the case that if you want to get a fairly recent phone on contract with a fairly low up front cost, you tend to need to be on a more expensive monthly contract?

Again, someone like my mum isn't going to want a low upfront cost phone if it means being on a £40+ a month contract.

So clearly cost is a factor.

calico_pie · 30-01-2015, 19:52

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Originally Posted by alanwarwic

Its not about wanting, it is about being persuaded. Android and Windows still has a healthy sceptic ownership whilst with Apple it is deemed very offensive to be even a sceptic.

Prior to the naked iCloud controversy all we got about iCloud was that meant an 8GB iPhone is all you need. That is exactly what makes people always unwitting and this so called stupid.

Sometimes you ain't defending them , you are just making them more ignorant.

Alan, I have no idea what you are talking about.

So people don't want to be part of this collective, but they are somehow persuaded to become part of it?

And its still definitely nothing to do with just, you know, liking the phone?

Are you absolutely sure?

Because I'm pretty sure I just like the phone, and it has nothing to do with any collective. The whole idea just sounds a bit fanciful to be honest.

d123 · 30-01-2015, 20:11

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Originally Posted by jchamier

Sorry, they're £530 unconnected:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-Gala...+galaxy+note+4

You could get a Galaxy S5 which was £550 when launched, but now only £375 as apparently they've not been selling:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-G900...sung+galaxy+s5

Yes, I was hoping he would come back and explain how one company is mugging customers who are suckers, yet the same doesn't seem to hold true to him when a competing manufacturer sells a similar high end phone at a similar price.

I would have to presume Faust is just trolling.

kidspud · 30-01-2015, 20:16

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Originally Posted by d123

Yes, I was hoping he would come back and explain how one company is mugging customers who are suckers, yet the same doesn't seem to hold true to him when a competing manufacturer sells a similar high end phone at a similar price.

I would have to presume Faust is just trolling.

It was a stupid comment for him to make The example above does show that buying a high end Samsung at release is a mugs game. The price dropping by these companies with no pricing power is an insult to the customer.

alanwarwic · 30-01-2015, 20:19

Well, I was very strongly hinting that the affect of the so called fan boy is to keep the mass of users stupid.
Keeping aBreast of the news it worked great with iCloud. Users were made on the whole ignorant via lack of any Apple security discussion whatsoever.

Is it all because of the ever regular faked outrage whenever any real informative stuff is dared to be mentioned?That whole host of (around 36 year old?) iCloud users, got abused for being idiots, and on many a forum. But they all acted on the security info they were given, which as ever with Apple, was as good as zero.

kidspud · 30-01-2015, 20:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanwarwic

Well, I was very strongly hinting that the affect of the so called fan boy is to keep the mass of users stupid.
Keeping aBreast of the news it worked great with iCloud. Users were made on the whole ignorant via lack of any Apple security discussion whatsoever.

Is it all because of the ever regular faked outrage whenever any real informative stuff is dared to be mentioned?That whole host of (around 36 year old?) iCloud users, got abused for being idiots, and on many a forum. But they all acted on the security info they were given, which as ever with Apple, was as good as zero.

Tell us more about this iCloud security issue. You seem to know a lot about it.

30-01-2015, 16:12	#201
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by Faust Not sure how the buyer can claim to be a winner when they have just had their wallet mugged. Mind you they say there's one born every minute. So now apple are mugging anyone who buys their products. Do you realise how stupid you are sounding?

30-01-2015, 16:37	#202
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles Not sure how you came to that conclusion from that post.... Anyway, your logic is flawed since more poeple have android phones than iphones. And its nothing to do with price since the majority of phones are taken out on contract. I usually pay for a phone outright. When you say it has nothing to do with price, does that mean a really cheap, low spec phone costs the same as a high end smartphone if you get a contract? I always thought there was some upfront cost, and newer, higher end smartphones tended to still cost up to £200 or more, even with a contract. Is that no longer the case?

30-01-2015, 16:53	#203
BKM Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,288	Quote: Originally Posted by Faust At the end of the day for the majority (especially the younger buyer) owning an iPhone is all about peer pressure and status. Anyone who claims otherwise isn't really being honest. Nothing like sweeping statements from a biased perspective!!! Many people just PREFER iPhones over the competition - probably even a fair proportion who don't actually buy one - due to their high cost. That does not seem to suit your prejudices...but get over it!

30-01-2015, 17:20	#204
tdenson Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,214	Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles Yes, that old chestnut. Like people choose Iphone's for iOS like you do. But that is exactly my point. I choose the iPhone, just like the other 80% of the world who choose other phones do not choose Android, they choose a phone.

30-01-2015, 17:21	#205
Lyceum Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 3,124	Quote: Originally Posted by Faust One is the home of Apple - obsessed by cult and celebrities and the second has an aspiring middle class who is also obsessed with cult and celebrity. At the end of the day for the majority (especially the younger buyer) owning an iPhone is all about peer pressure and status. Anyone who claims otherwise isn't really being honest. You do realise what a completely muppet like statement that is don't you? No sadly you probably don't. I'm 36. I've had iPhones since the 3G. I couldn't give a flying toss who has what phone and how popular they are. I don't do peer pressure. I couldn't tell you what celebrities have what phones because it's irrelevant. Anyone who assumes that grown adults buy phones based on anything besides the fact that they like those phones is an idiot. Apple have sold 70 million + phones. All of those buyers, are shallow idiots who are buying soley due to peer pressure? I buy iPhones because I like iOS and enjoy the level of customer service Apple provide. My phone does everything I want. As I want. That's why I buy iPhones. Not because some supposed celebrity has been seen with one. Why don't I buy android? I don't like it as much as I like iOS. And if I want iOS I have to buy an iPhone. It's really that simple. It baffles me that some people literally can't comprehend that other like something they don't and thus have to find excuses as to why others like something they don't. Instead of just accepting that people have different opinions. Get a grip.

30-01-2015, 17:24	#206
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	Well it is the same with anything. Brand awareness and as Faust says peer pressure advertising is what does it. You always target the young because they are the biggest consumer spenders. They spend big and sometimes borrow big too.

30-01-2015, 17:29	#207
Faust Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: UK Posts: 8,103	Quote: Originally Posted by Lyceum You do realise what a completely muppet like statement that is don't you? No sadly you probably don't. I'm 36. I've had iPhones since the 3G. I couldn't give a flying toss who has what phone and how popular they are. I don't do peer pressure. I couldn't tell you what celebrities have what phones because it's irrelevant. Anyone who assumes that grown adults buy phones based on anything besides the fact that they like those phones is an idiot. Apple have sold 70 million + phones. All of those buyers, are shallow idiots who are buying soley due to peer pressure? I buy iPhones because I like iOS and enjoy the level of customer service Apple provide. My phone does everything I want. As I want. That's why I buy iPhones. Not because some supposed celebrity has been seen with one. Why don't I buy android? I don't like it as much as I like iOS. And if I want iOS I have to buy an iPhone. It's really that simple. It baffles me that some people literally can't comprehend that other like something they don't and thus have to find excuses as to why others like something they don't. Instead of just accepting that people have different opinions. Get a grip. Well you've given us the Apple mantra, you claim not to be a 36 year old idiot and yet you've clearly not read my post properly. As you say though you're not a 36 year old idiot. P.S. How much Apple kit have you got?

30-01-2015, 17:32	#208
jonner101 Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 3,153	Quote: Originally Posted by Faust Not sure how the buyer can claim to be a winner when they have just had their wallet mugged. Mind you they say there's one born every minute. Don't know why you are so angry or bitter but in actual fact the total cost of ownership of an iPhone can actually be less than an Android because of the typically higher re-sale value iPhones have.

30-01-2015, 17:33	#209
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by alanwarwic Well it is the same with anything. Brand awareness and as Faust says peer pressure advertising is what does it. You always target the young because they are the biggest consumer spenders. They spend big and sometimes borrow big too. what are you calling young. 35-45yo are the biggest consumer spenders.

30-01-2015, 17:34	#210
Lyceum Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 3,124	Quote: Originally Posted by alanwarwic Well it is the same with anything. Brand awareness and as Faust says peer pressure advertising is what does it. You always target the young because they are the biggest consumer spenders. They spend big and sometimes borrow big too. Im not disagreeing with that. I'm disagreeing with anyone who says if you have an iPhone it's because you want to look cool, and if you say it isn't ,you're lying. That is completely idiotic. Condescending statement to make. And made simply because the poster doesn't like iPhones. I don't like peas. I don't assume everyone who does is an idiot do I. I just accept that people have different tastes. Which is something people who dislike iPhones seem to be completely incapable of doing. They have to, for some unknown reason try to paint iPhone users as shallow idiots who don't know any better and liked be over charged (because flagship android phones aren't they same price bracket as iPhones are they) Instead of just accepting not everyone likes the same thing and just because someone doesn't want an android phone it doesn't mean they're trying to be hip and cool. It means simply that, they don't want an android phone.

30-01-2015, 17:36	#211
Lyceum Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 3,124	Quote: Originally Posted by Faust Well you've given us the Apple mantra, you claim not to be a 36 year old idiot and yet you've clearly not read my post properly. As you say though you're not a 36 year old idiot. P.S. How much Apple kit have you got? I read it properly. You basically called all iPhone owners wannabes and/or idiots. I'm neither. I have an iPhone. I had an iPod but sold it on since my music library was already all sorted I preferred to simply drag and drop rather than use iTunes which is a hideous bit of software. That said I've actually no idea what my next phone will be because I really don't like large phones and find the 6 too large. I got a moto g to replace my 5 but really didn't enjoy android at all. So returned it and went back to my 5.

30-01-2015, 18:43	#212
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by BKM Nothing like sweeping statements from a biased perspective!!! Many people just PREFER iPhones over the competition - probably even a fair proportion who don't actually buy one - due to their high cost. That does not seem to suit your prejudices...but get over it! No, no, no. If people ever buy an iPhone, it can never simply be a legitimate preference. It will almost always be for one of the following reasons: 1. People have been conned by Apple. 2. People are idiots who would never buy an iPhone if only they knew what they were missing out on. 3. Peer pressure and a desire to belong to some sort of collective. But never just because they might, you know, prefer an iPhone. Sounds crazy, but there we are.

30-01-2015, 18:48	#213
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by Faust One is the home of Apple - obsessed by cult and celebrities and the second has an aspiring middle class who is also obsessed with cult and celebrity. Conclusion: people who buy iPhones are obsessed with cult and celebrity, and only buy iPhones because of that obsession. Priceless. Quote: At the end of the day for the majority (especially the younger buyer) owning an iPhone is all about peer pressure and status. Anyone who claims otherwise isn't really being honest. I'm going to claim otherwise. I would wager the majority of people who buy iPhones buy them because they just prefer them.

30-01-2015, 18:51	#214
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Can someone please explain to me how this even works. On the one hand 80% have something other than an iPhone. But on the other hand, everyone who buys an iPhone is buying an iPhone because everyone else has an iPhone. This makes literally no sense to me.

30-01-2015, 19:02	#215
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by calico_pie I usually pay for a phone outright. When you say it has nothing to do with price, does that mean a really cheap, low spec phone costs the same as a high end smartphone if you get a contract? I always thought there was some upfront cost, and newer, higher end smartphones tended to still cost up to £200 or more, even with a contract. Is that no longer the case? You know perfectly fine that's not the case and the price you pay upfront depends on offers or the price of the actual contract.. Why do you always try to act the buffoon in an attempt to rubbish someone's post? Invariably, its you who always looks silly. Well as always you are incorrect as it never was the case. Not every contract requires an upfront payment even on high end phones. I paid nothing upfront for my 4S when it was on contract and in fact, I have never paid up front for a contract phone. However I now only buy outright. But all that makes no odds. Affordability to own an iPhone is no issue when they, if you do decide to pay up front on a lower contract cost the same as any other high end smartphone.

30-01-2015, 19:08	#216
d123 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,993	Quote: Originally Posted by Faust Not sure how the buyer can claim to be a winner when they have just had their wallet mugged. Mind you they say there's one born every minute. If £550 for an iPhone is being mugged the direct competition must be a LOT cheaper, so where can I buy a Galaxy Note 4 for £200?

30-01-2015, 19:14	#217
jchamier Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: This forum Posts: 3,392	Quote: Originally Posted by d123 If £550 for an iPhone is being mugged the direct competition must be a LOT cheaper, so where can I buy a Galaxy Note 4 for £200? Sorry, they're £530 unconnected: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-Gala...+galaxy+note+4 You could get a Galaxy S5 which was £550 when launched, but now only £375 as apparently they've not been selling: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-G900...sung+galaxy+s5

30-01-2015, 19:43	#218
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by Faust Well you've given us the Apple mantra, you claim not to be a 36 year old idiot and yet you've clearly not read my post properly. As you say though you're not a 36 year old idiot. P.S. How much Apple kit have you got? Apple mantra my arse.

30-01-2015, 19:45	#219
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	Quote: Originally Posted by Faust You have just made my argument for me - i.e no thought involved, a bit like 'sheep' - thanks. Quote: Originally Posted by calico_pie ...Can you point used the direction of some of these people and their claims about wanting to "belong to a collective"? ... Its not about wanting, it is about being persuaded. Android and Windows still has a healthy sceptic ownership whilst with Apple it is deemed very offensive to be even a sceptic. Prior to the naked iCloud controversy all we got about iCloud was that meant an 8GB iPhone is all you need. That is exactly what makes people always unwitting and this so called stupid. Sometimes you ain't defending them , you are just making them more ignorant.

30-01-2015, 19:49	#220
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles You know perfectly fine that's not the case and the price you pay upfront depends on offers or the price of the actual contract.. Why do you always try to act the buffoon in an attempt to rubbish someone's post? Invariably, its you who always looks silly. Well as always you are incorrect as it never was the case. Not every contract requires an upfront payment even on high end phones. I paid nothing upfront for my 4S when it was on contract and in fact, I have never paid up front for a contract phone. However I now only buy outright. But all that makes no odds. Affordability to own an iPhone is no issue when they, if you do decide to pay up front on a lower contract cost the same as any other high end smartphone. Well, I didn't think it was the case, until you said this: "its nothing to do with price since the majority of phones are taken out on contract." If you are limiting this to high end smartphones, then your missing the point spectacularly, seeing as a pretty significant proportion of Android users won't have a high end phone. Someone like my mum would likely go into a phone shop and get a cheap, i.e. no upfront cost, Android phone rather than pay £200 or so for a high end smartphone. Isn't also the case that if you want to get a fairly recent phone on contract with a fairly low up front cost, you tend to need to be on a more expensive monthly contract? Again, someone like my mum isn't going to want a low upfront cost phone if it means being on a £40+ a month contract. So clearly cost is a factor.

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30-01-2015, 19:52	#221
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by alanwarwic Its not about wanting, it is about being persuaded. Android and Windows still has a healthy sceptic ownership whilst with Apple it is deemed very offensive to be even a sceptic. Prior to the naked iCloud controversy all we got about iCloud was that meant an 8GB iPhone is all you need. That is exactly what makes people always unwitting and this so called stupid. Sometimes you ain't defending them , you are just making them more ignorant. Alan, I have no idea what you are talking about. So people don't want to be part of this collective, but they are somehow persuaded to become part of it? And its still definitely nothing to do with just, you know, liking the phone? Are you absolutely sure? Because I'm pretty sure I just like the phone, and it has nothing to do with any collective. The whole idea just sounds a bit fanciful to be honest.

30-01-2015, 20:11	#222
d123 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,993	Quote: Originally Posted by jchamier Sorry, they're £530 unconnected: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-Gala...+galaxy+note+4 You could get a Galaxy S5 which was £550 when launched, but now only £375 as apparently they've not been selling: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-G900...sung+galaxy+s5 Yes, I was hoping he would come back and explain how one company is mugging customers who are suckers, yet the same doesn't seem to hold true to him when a competing manufacturer sells a similar high end phone at a similar price. I would have to presume Faust is just trolling.

30-01-2015, 20:16	#223
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by d123 Yes, I was hoping he would come back and explain how one company is mugging customers who are suckers, yet the same doesn't seem to hold true to him when a competing manufacturer sells a similar high end phone at a similar price. I would have to presume Faust is just trolling. It was a stupid comment for him to make The example above does show that buying a high end Samsung at release is a mugs game. The price dropping by these companies with no pricing power is an insult to the customer.

30-01-2015, 20:19	#224
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	Well, I was very strongly hinting that the affect of the so called fan boy is to keep the mass of users stupid. Keeping aBreast of the news it worked great with iCloud. Users were made on the whole ignorant via lack of any Apple security discussion whatsoever. Is it all because of the ever regular faked outrage whenever any real informative stuff is dared to be mentioned?That whole host of (around 36 year old?) iCloud users, got abused for being idiots, and on many a forum. But they all acted on the security info they were given, which as ever with Apple, was as good as zero.

30-01-2015, 20:40	#225
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by alanwarwic Well, I was very strongly hinting that the affect of the so called fan boy is to keep the mass of users stupid. Keeping aBreast of the news it worked great with iCloud. Users were made on the whole ignorant via lack of any Apple security discussion whatsoever. Is it all because of the ever regular faked outrage whenever any real informative stuff is dared to be mentioned?That whole host of (around 36 year old?) iCloud users, got abused for being idiots, and on many a forum. But they all acted on the security info they were given, which as ever with Apple, was as good as zero. Tell us more about this iCloud security issue. You seem to know a lot about it.