Yes exactly this!

Do you not feel that Kav's posture and tone can become quite aggressive though. For me I felt he kept on going AT Nadia until she had had enough. I thought she was being diplomatic for Alex's sake. I do feel there was much more to the Perez/Alex situation not aired. I do feel most other hm's saw things that they did not interpret in the same way maybe as Nadia. I don't think Alex like Perez was that because he was just annoying I don't know? I think there was button pushing by both men to each other. I have heard the "Rabbit" incidence before - not needed was it. But Alex did do things that I remember that I also thought was taunting towards Perez. Its a difficult one I do see it very differently - I feel Katie H sets the tone not Perez.

Is that the same nasty homophobic word that Perez used to Wil I Am. Michelle knew that it is part of Perez's vocabulary and therefore didn't think he needed defending.
Nadia needs to butt out of other peoples arguments, she is a control freak.

I think Kav having a go at Keith was very uncomfortable viewing, don't get me wrong, I'm no fan, I didn't even know who he was when he first went in ! Nadia cut Kav off as soon as he starting speaking to her, she didn't hear him out any more than she did Calum-she went straight in on the defensive, and by now she should have learned how to control herself and that short temper of hers, because I think she came out worse off in both those arguments.

I brought up the Rabbit incident BECAUSE Nadia told Kav she did not see Perez do that, and that was something that a number of HMs saw along with Perez blowing kisses at Alexander and which really pushed Alexander over the edge, we saw that it was on HL show. It is a gesture too that Perez has done to Katie time and time again and has also got her really angry,it is SO disrespectful , but doing it to Alexander must have been the last straw. And what you must surely see is that it was Perez taunting Alexander ----and like Katie, Alexander was 'reacting ' to Perez, not the other way around.

Perez has admitted he's a gameplayer he's running the Show - and he sets out to get a rise from the HMs, he's done it with Alex, and Katie and lied about what Calum said to Nadia and caused an argument there, he's the most manipulative HM ever ------------like I've said before, he's like Nasty Nick on acid.........!

I agree on occasions Nadia gets involved when she need not - I think more in the beginning she thought she was keeping the peace and maybe helping to stop people saying things they may get asked to leave the house for. Last night though Kav spoke AT her over and over he pretty much left her no option than to reply.

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Perfect post. I thought for a second that Perez was actually going to behave like a decent human being for once, but Nadia put a stop to that. We don't see much of what goes on in the house but everything you just described was watched by all of us. Nadia says she didn't see it. But she saw what nobody else in the house did. Of course nobody will ever know what it was as Nadia is the only person who respects alexander. Absolute bollox.

Nadia is, by far, the most aggressive person in that house. Perez is an absolute moron who should never be listened to or given any attention at all, Nadia enables all his nonsense and congratulates him when he is being completely unacceptable, as he has been, many times in the house. She listens to his crap and rampages round shouting, pointing with both hands and halfway through her rant realises she doesn't know what she's talking about.

Yes I do agree she was at first unwilling to listen to Calum - however when he kept going on I felt she spoke calmly to him and asked him directly "What did you say Calum". I do agree she should have asked Calum in a private conversation about what Perez had discussed with her. But no I disagree I feel Kav had an aggressive posture and tone and exactly how much did we see, he may have been going on AT her longer it is edited. I think she handled Kav well, people appear to walk away from Kav when he is in that type of mood and that is not fair.

But I did see Alex do thing towards Perez that I would see as been provoking also -they don't seem to get mentioned on the threads - I think this is mainly because people dislike Perez on the whole and cannot always see beyond that.

I love Nasty Nick on acid comment But you know what he is a pain in the bum - I would last all of 30 secs with him. But for me he only thinks he is running the show. Katie H is making it the Perez show far more than he is.

BIB - that's so true and observant.

Spot on- and won't it be interesting when Nadia comes out of the house and she starts gathering information about Perez, and sees the VTs back of the House and clicks that Perez was just a manipulative deceitful game-player and that he really is a nasty piece of work ,with a whacky warped sense of humour- and will we see her backtrack? I wonder if that will happen. Hmm I really couldn't call it.

Would she admit she misjudged Perez ? Or will she just laugh it all off and stand by her claim that he is great fun and s*d the others who didn't like him ......, to save face.

Right! so she verbally abuses her children now

in poster's defence - -telling children off point finger at them is not beyond Nadia i'd have thought. But it's probably best to not go there, as it will get some riled, it's just an escalation I think of what Nadia looked like when she ranted at Kav while pointing and waving her finger at him,-- because it did come across like she was behaving like she was telling a child off.

I get you !

I love Nadia - Think she has been spot on with the majority of what she has said.
Perez may have done some off-key things but she obviously likes him and his company so why should she be forced to exclude him because of others?

Surely that was because she shouted over him and Katie in her defence of poor defenceless Perez, little Mr. Perfect who can do no wrong in her eyes.

BIB Calum said he didn't say anything about Nadia being controlling in the kitchen, and when Nadia asked Perez, he didn't push that point either did he -, so Perez had lied about that, yet..........Nadia still had a go at Calum ! He was right to call her delusional,I really think she lost perspective on that one !

Perez and Katie - you're right ........he plays up , she reacts - it's not going to end is it.
It is the Perez show, and most of those HMs are totally overshadowed because of them. But not sure I want to hear more from Katie P and Keith though .

I don't know for sure. My feeling is that she sees Perez warts and all and like when you love/like someone for who they are you accept them warts and all. I don't think for one minute she doesn't think he goes to far - he is annoying - he is many unsavoury things - but she see the full Perez maybe she sees a side we the GP don't get to see from the edits. The man must have some redeeming qualities - it would appear a lot of the GP have found something in Katie H. This women talks at length about the lives of other people how they lead it what is right what is wrong. She told Katie P with her money she should pay for Harvey to go to school. How dare she, schooling is for the child not about who can afford it or not, it is for Harvey not for his mum. Perez is not perfect - Katie H is just as bad if not worse as from what we have seen Perez can evaluate when he has over stepped the mark and openly admit it can Katie H do that - I don't believe she can. How self aware is someone like Katie H who in last nights broadcast stated she loved the British Public!

I reckon she will sit there on Loose Women still going on about Katie Hopkins and will try to gloss over everything about Perez.

She's just a hideous woman with warped morals.

Could this have been because he was behaving like a child? Or because the witch hunt which has been directed by the delightful KH was not going to accept anything other than the breaking of Perez. It amuses me how the comments made by Alexander seem to be an after thought by all these outraged numpties, something which Nadia alluded to.

There's loyalty and then blind loyalty.

Any kind of loyalty that has you doing what you know to be wrong and defending the indefensible is more stupidity than loyalty and there's nothing whatsoever to be admired in that.

I loved watching her last night as the tight lid she's had on her emotions crept open - it made things interesting.

Had she have been more ballsy and upfront with Perez at times, during the worst of his excessive behaviour, both of them would have benefitted.

Being a good friend sometimes means telling your mate they've been out of order.

The flash back to the incident did show Calum talking about having less stodgy food. I don't think Calum meant that as an attack on Nadia. However indirectly it could have been seen in that way and I think that is the way Perez perceived it. I do feel on this occasion both Calum and Perez believed what they were saying - just perception and misunderstanding I felt. I do agree with you I do feel last night Nadia was getting wound up far quicker with what she was hearing. Perez had said to her that it probably wasn't in her interests to hear what had been said. Its one of those situations when you want to know but you know you will regret knowing Just a question but did you not feel last night that Katie H was totally enjoying the attention from Perez, she was like a school girl in the playground playing Kiss Chase with the boys

Based on what evidence, do you know her personally?

Katie wants to control the house, Alexander (the homophobe) wanting an apology has nothing to do with her. Similarly with Kav who is ingratiating himself with the mean girls.

Absolutely! I have noticed sandy50 has a pattern with this too. Nail on the head!

Luckily finer pointing is not yet illegal, if it were many children would be being cared for by the state.

He was much nastier than Nadia. He's a horrible piece of work.