Originally Posted by SAFC_Derry:
“Based on what evidence, do you know her personally?”
“Based on what evidence, do you know her personally?”
Yes I do. Of course.
Rolleyes.
From what I have seen and MY opinion.
Nadia's aggressive tirade at Kav -"you'll be crying in the bl**dy corner"
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Originally Posted by JVS:
“Katie wants to control the house, Alexander (the homophobe) wanting an apology has nothing to do with her. Similarly with Kav who is ingratiating himself with the mean girls.”
“Katie wants to control the house, Alexander (the homophobe) wanting an apology has nothing to do with her. Similarly with Kav who is ingratiating himself with the mean girls.”
Yeah, why did she even bring it up in the first place if only to try and score her ONE point against him?
What's it to do with her what happened between Perez and Alexander? If she can butt in, then why can't Nadia?
Hopkins started that whole argument last night and drunken aggressive Kav jumped on the bandwagon.
Originally Posted by pie-eyed:
“I reckon she will sit there on Loose Women still going on about Katie Hopkins and will try to gloss over everything about Perez.”
“I reckon she will sit there on Loose Women still going on about Katie Hopkins and will try to gloss over everything about Perez.”
Yes, I think she will. She will laugh while she tries to justify not even trying to befriend Katie , and spurn all her olive branches ...........because.......Nadia's just like that. I also think Katie has done really well not blowing her top at Nadia, because she so could have so many times.
Originally Posted by sandy50:
“Yes, I think she will. She will laugh while she tries to justify not even trying to befriend Katie , and spurn all her olive branches ...........because.......Nadia's just like that. I also think Katie has done really well not blowing her top at Nadia, because she so could have so many times.”
“Yes, I think she will. She will laugh while she tries to justify not even trying to befriend Katie , and spurn all her olive branches ...........because.......Nadia's just like that. I also think Katie has done really well not blowing her top at Nadia, because she so could have so many times.”
Well she doesn't seem to have any consistency, does she? It seems she has no qualms whatsoever to gang up on Perez and blowing her top at him.
Originally Posted by Pices-55:
“See this is what I don't get about your arguments regarding Nadia, according to you anyone else in there can have their say....they can butt in and be aggressive all they want. They can offer opinions, shout,talk over others and yet when Nadia says anything you are on her like a fly on Shite. You moan when she takes herself off to discuss with others and you moan when she stands up for herself or others.Double standards pure and simple.”
“See this is what I don't get about your arguments regarding Nadia, according to you anyone else in there can have their say....they can butt in and be aggressive all they want. They can offer opinions, shout,talk over others and yet when Nadia says anything you are on her like a fly on Shite. You moan when she takes herself off to discuss with others and you moan when she stands up for herself or others.Double standards pure and simple.”
Yes, well said. They set a much higher bar for her than others for lobbying purposes. It was Kav who shoved his oar in and instigated more trouble.
Originally Posted by sandy50:
“Yes, I think she will. She will laugh while she tries to justify not even trying to befriend Katie , and spurn all her olive branches ...........because.......Nadia's just like that. I also think Katie has done really well not blowing her top at Nadia, because she so could have so many times.”
“Yes, I think she will. She will laugh while she tries to justify not even trying to befriend Katie , and spurn all her olive branches ...........because.......Nadia's just like that. I also think Katie has done really well not blowing her top at Nadia, because she so could have so many times.”
But you see Sandy - How can this be fair. You think Katie is doing well not to blow her top, Ok. However you think Nadia blow her top last night and that was not acceptable. You cannot have a law for one and a law for another just because you prefer that person. The playing field has to be fair for all players.
Originally Posted by Deeferone:
“But you see Sandy - How can this be fair. You think Katie is doing well not to blow her top, Ok. However you think Nadia blow her top last night and that was not acceptable. You cannot have a law for one and a law for another just because you prefer that person. The playing field has to be fair for all players.”
“But you see Sandy - How can this be fair. You think Katie is doing well not to blow her top, Ok. However you think Nadia blow her top last night and that was not acceptable. You cannot have a law for one and a law for another just because you prefer that person. The playing field has to be fair for all players.”
But Nadia didn't listen to what Katie was trying to do with Perez, and Perez WAS explaining himself,........he got very close to admitting he didn't handle the situation very well, didn't react very well ..........and then Nadia stepped in shouting over them, and Perez didn't admit he was responding to Katie's question about Alexander......It was NOTHING to do with Nadia, it was not her conversation,and when Kav put his view forward to try and get the same across to Nadia she bit his head off. She doesn't choose her arguments very carefully,, but Katie does, and Katie hasn't gone for the other HMs, she's only had a go at the one person we can all see she has right to have an issue with and that's Perez.
Originally Posted by Cat-:
“Well she doesn't seem to have any consistency, does she? It seems she has no qualms whatsoever to gang up on Perez and blowing her top at him.”
“Well she doesn't seem to have any consistency, does she? It seems she has no qualms whatsoever to gang up on Perez and blowing her top at him.”
Katie isn't a gang, she's one person, and Perez can handle an entire house disliking him, he's thriving on that in there, he wants to be the only HM who is UP and bouncy and being fun fun fun, he wants the others to sit there miserable at his presence, then he looks better !
Originally Posted by sandy50:
“But Nadia didn't listen to what Katie was trying to do with Perez, and Perez WAS explaining himself,........he got very close to admitting he didn't handle the situation very well, didn't react very well ..........and then Nadia stepped in shouting over them, and Perez didn't admit he was responding to Katie's question about Alexander......It was NOTHING to do with Nadia, it was not her conversation,and when Kav put his view forward to try and get the same across to Nadia she bit his head off. She doesn't choose her arguments very carefully,, but Katie does, and Katie hasn't gone for the other HMs, she's only had a go at the one person we can all see she has right to have an issue with and that's Perez.”
“But Nadia didn't listen to what Katie was trying to do with Perez, and Perez WAS explaining himself,........he got very close to admitting he didn't handle the situation very well, didn't react very well ..........and then Nadia stepped in shouting over them, and Perez didn't admit he was responding to Katie's question about Alexander......It was NOTHING to do with Nadia, it was not her conversation,and when Kav put his view forward to try and get the same across to Nadia she bit his head off. She doesn't choose her arguments very carefully,, but Katie does, and Katie hasn't gone for the other HMs, she's only had a go at the one person we can all see she has right to have an issue with and that's Perez.”
It was nothing to do with Katie either. Like I said before..............what right does Katie have to be the arbitrator of what happened between Perez and Alexander and DEMAND that he apologise? If she can stick her nose in, then why can't Nadia?
Originally Posted by sandy50:
“Katie isn't a gang, she's one person, and Perez can handle an entire house disliking him, he's thriving on that in there, he wants to be the only HM who is UP and bouncy and being fun fun fun, he wants the others to sit there miserable at his presence, then he looks better !”
“Katie isn't a gang, she's one person, and Perez can handle an entire house disliking him, he's thriving on that in there, he wants to be the only HM who is UP and bouncy and being fun fun fun, he wants the others to sit there miserable at his presence, then he looks better !”
She is in a gang. And she and her minions DID gang up on Perez...........relentlessly.
Originally Posted by Cat-:
“She is in a gang. And she and her minions DID gang up on Perez...........relentlessly.”
“She is in a gang. And she and her minions DID gang up on Perez...........relentlessly.”
She's the instigator and ringleader.
Her Henchwomen do her bidding, almost on cue.
Originally Posted by sandy50:
“But Nadia didn't listen to what Katie was trying to do with Perez, and Perez WAS explaining himself,........he got very close to admitting he didn't handle the situation very well, didn't react very well ..........and then Nadia stepped in shouting over them, and Perez didn't admit he was responding to Katie's question about Alexander......It was NOTHING to do with Nadia, it was not her conversation,and when Kav put his view forward to try and get the same across to Nadia she bit his head off. She doesn't choose her arguments very carefully,, but Katie does, and Katie hasn't gone for the other HMs, she's only had a go at the one person we can all see she has right to have an issue with and that's Perez.”
“But Nadia didn't listen to what Katie was trying to do with Perez, and Perez WAS explaining himself,........he got very close to admitting he didn't handle the situation very well, didn't react very well ..........and then Nadia stepped in shouting over them, and Perez didn't admit he was responding to Katie's question about Alexander......It was NOTHING to do with Nadia, it was not her conversation,and when Kav put his view forward to try and get the same across to Nadia she bit his head off. She doesn't choose her arguments very carefully,, but Katie does, and Katie hasn't gone for the other HMs, she's only had a go at the one person we can all see she has right to have an issue with and that's Perez.”
Ive enjoyed the debate Sandy
- but don't feel we will ever agree on this. Basically I like Nadia, does she interfere yes - is it for the right reason, yes I believe she feels it is, she is basically a lovely lady. Kav probably again a good guy, until he drinks and he get aggressive, no denying this Sandy we can clearly see and I think he admits it to to his credit but aggression of that kind can be very disconcerting in a confined area, Nadia shut him down quickly, I feel for Kav's sake it was the way to go this time. Your admiration for Katie H is something I do not understand. She has not only gone for Perez that is just not true, I am afraid. She is a clever lady I will admit to that, however she is totally judgemental, I find her a disgrace the way she labels whole groups of society as being right or wrong, maybe more internal observation may be advised.
Originally Posted by Bunions:
“She's the instigator and ringleader.
Her Henchwomen do her bidding, almost on cue.”
“She's the instigator and ringleader.
Her Henchwomen do her bidding, almost on cue.”
She is indeed. And she was starting her sh*t last night again by bringing the whole Alexander thing up.
Originally Posted by Cat-:
“It was nothing to do with Katie either. Like I said before..............what right does Katie have to be the arbitrator of what happened between Perez and Alexander and DEMAND that he apologise? If she can stick her nose in, then why can't Nadia?”
“It was nothing to do with Katie either. Like I said before..............what right does Katie have to be the arbitrator of what happened between Perez and Alexander and DEMAND that he apologise? If she can stick her nose in, then why can't Nadia?”
Of course it was to do with Katie , it was the very thorn in her side that was preventing her moving forward with Perez , so she asked him , to try and sort it all out once and for all.
Katie was asking Perez if he'd take some responsibility for what happened with Alexander, that is why she has a problem with Perez and that needed sorting out for them to even begin to try and get on in that house . And Perez was talking back to her, so he was prepared to try there too, it was Nadia who stopped that conversation dead in its tracks, it was nothing to do with her, it was between Perez and Katie, and the other HMs were equally angry at Perez too -it was unfinished business.
Originally Posted by Deeferone:
“I didn't see it quite like that Sandy. I felt Katie H once again had a go at Perez. This women is relentless - she tells everyone not to give him time, not to engage in conversation with him but constantly engages with him, follows him round the room, talks about him in her group (Michelle Cami) even talks about him when he is not in the house. Katie H is uncomfortably obsessed in one way for one reason or another with Perez. She went on and on and on and on last night. Kav in my opinion was asking a legitimate question about Alex - I think Kav only saw and heard so much, I think cos Nadia spent a lot of time with Perez I feel she saw and heard other things only hinted at in the show highlights. I feel she was trying to tell Kav quite calmly to leave it alone as it would not be in Alex.s interest for her to repeat what she saw or heard. However I feel Kav can get quite an aggressive posture and I think you have to stand quite firm or the aggression seems to increase. Katie H wanted Perez attention - she always has - she definitely makes this show the Perez show more than he does. I like Nadia very much I think she sees quite clearly what is happening in that house.”
“I didn't see it quite like that Sandy. I felt Katie H once again had a go at Perez. This women is relentless - she tells everyone not to give him time, not to engage in conversation with him but constantly engages with him, follows him round the room, talks about him in her group (Michelle Cami) even talks about him when he is not in the house. Katie H is uncomfortably obsessed in one way for one reason or another with Perez. She went on and on and on and on last night. Kav in my opinion was asking a legitimate question about Alex - I think Kav only saw and heard so much, I think cos Nadia spent a lot of time with Perez I feel she saw and heard other things only hinted at in the show highlights. I feel she was trying to tell Kav quite calmly to leave it alone as it would not be in Alex.s interest for her to repeat what she saw or heard. However I feel Kav can get quite an aggressive posture and I think you have to stand quite firm or the aggression seems to increase. Katie H wanted Perez attention - she always has - she definitely makes this show the Perez show more than he does. I like Nadia very much I think she sees quite clearly what is happening in that house.”
Thank goodness, at least one other person seems to see what I do! Leaving the other larger characters aside, I think Kav is an obnoxious little coward who, with the aid of Dutch courage, becomes aggressive as his own only mode of expression. Had he got up in my face & spoken to me as he did to Nadia last night, I think my reaction may well have been worse than Nadia's.
Originally Posted by sandy50:
“Of course it was to do with Katie , it was the very thorn in her side that was preventing her moving forward with Perez , so she asked him , to try and sort it all out once and for all.
Katie was asking Perez if he'd take some responsibility for what happened with Alexander, that is why she has a problem with Perez and that needed sorting out for them to even begin to try and get on in that house . And Perez was talking back to her, so he was prepared to try there too, it was Nadia who stopped that conversation dead in its tracks, it was nothing to do with her, it was between Perez and Katie, and the other HMs were equally angry at Perez too -it was unfinished business.”
“Of course it was to do with Katie , it was the very thorn in her side that was preventing her moving forward with Perez , so she asked him , to try and sort it all out once and for all.
Katie was asking Perez if he'd take some responsibility for what happened with Alexander, that is why she has a problem with Perez and that needed sorting out for them to even begin to try and get on in that house . And Perez was talking back to her, so he was prepared to try there too, it was Nadia who stopped that conversation dead in its tracks, it was nothing to do with her, it was between Perez and Katie, and the other HMs were equally angry at Perez too -it was unfinished business.”
It has nothing to do with her regardless of her opinion. She's a housemate the same as everyone else in there. The whole incident is done and dusted, but she's used it against Perez as an excuse to goad, belittle him, humiliate him, berate him, ridicule him and try and ostracise him. She then used it again to start it all up again as soon as he returned to the house.
Originally Posted by Deeferone:
“Ive enjoyed the debate Sandy - but don't feel we will ever agree on this. Basically I like Nadia, does she interfere yes - is it for the right reason, yes I believe she feels it is, she is basically a lovely lady. Kav probably again a good guy, until he drinks and he get aggressive, no denying this Sandy we can clearly see and I think he admits it to to his credit but aggression of that kind can be very disconcerting in a confined area, Nadia shut him down quickly, I feel for Kav's sake it was the way to go this time. Your admiration for Katie H is something I do not understand. She has not only gone for Perez that is just not true, I am afraid. She is a clever lady I will admit to that, however she is totally judgemental, I find her a disgrace the way she labels whole groups of society as being right or wrong, maybe more internal observation may be advised.”
“Ive enjoyed the debate Sandy
- but don't feel we will ever agree on this. Basically I like Nadia, does she interfere yes - is it for the right reason, yes I believe she feels it is, she is basically a lovely lady. Kav probably again a good guy, until he drinks and he get aggressive, no denying this Sandy we can clearly see and I think he admits it to to his credit but aggression of that kind can be very disconcerting in a confined area, Nadia shut him down quickly, I feel for Kav's sake it was the way to go this time. Your admiration for Katie H is something I do not understand. She has not only gone for Perez that is just not true, I am afraid. She is a clever lady I will admit to that, however she is totally judgemental, I find her a disgrace the way she labels whole groups of society as being right or wrong, maybe more internal observation may be advised.”
I don't admire Katie H in any shape or form, but she's a great HM on BB, - and I think she's been very brave to stand up to Perez, who could do anything at any given moment, and I don't even think about what Katie H says or does outside of the House when I watch BB, because I don't really care. And I think it would be great if others can put that aside too, because we're seeing the real side of these people , and yes, she can be a stroppy c*w, but I didn't think she'd be otherwise ! We won't agree for sure, but she's got everyone talking , so she must be a good HM !
Originally Posted by Cat-:
“It has nothing to do with her regardless of her opinion. She's a housemate the same as everyone else in there. The whole incident is done and dusted, but she's used it against Perez as an excuse to goad, belittle him, humiliate him, berate him, ridicule him and try and ostracise him. She then used it again to start it all up again as soon as he returned to the house.”
“It has nothing to do with her regardless of her opinion. She's a housemate the same as everyone else in there. The whole incident is done and dusted, but she's used it against Perez as an excuse to goad, belittle him, humiliate him, berate him, ridicule him and try and ostracise him. She then used it again to start it all up again as soon as he returned to the house.”
Perez engaged in conversation, so he wasn't bothered by her asking him about Alexander, he didn't give a straight answer, but he didn't walk away either did he. And who are you to say that she shouldn't talk about it,she's living with the guy, she knows what bothers her about him,, and wanted to put it to bed, so good she tried to sort it out, but she didn't because Nadia stepped in like a protective ignorant parent, who thinks her child can do no wrong.
Ostrasise Perez ? you're joking arn't you........he even told Keith he'd isolate himself from the group and you saw him in the Secret Room, he's fine on his own, he doesn't care, as long as he has a camera to perform in front of, and he has the DR to sound of at , he loves that !
I find it quite hilarious the way that they've all taken umbrage about 'the big man'.
He has become an acceptable excuse to behave disgracefully towards Perez. He is the sacred cow.
He was clearly struggling in the house - on Chloes exit interview she said he really wanted to leave. Whilst I'll agree that Perez was provoking him surely the man is responsible for his own behaviour and how he chooses to react.
It was pretty evident that he was finding his rage hard to control - judging by the language he used I assume he would have dealt with it in a physical way outside the house. Well ..........attacking someone physically isn't allowed in the BB house so it's as well he buggered off.
Sick to death of how they all mourn Alexander's departure and keep harping on about it.
It's pathetic justification to attack Perez.
He has become an acceptable excuse to behave disgracefully towards Perez. He is the sacred cow.
He was clearly struggling in the house - on Chloes exit interview she said he really wanted to leave. Whilst I'll agree that Perez was provoking him surely the man is responsible for his own behaviour and how he chooses to react.
It was pretty evident that he was finding his rage hard to control - judging by the language he used I assume he would have dealt with it in a physical way outside the house. Well ..........attacking someone physically isn't allowed in the BB house so it's as well he buggered off.
Sick to death of how they all mourn Alexander's departure and keep harping on about it.
It's pathetic justification to attack Perez.
Sandy...there's so much wrong with that reply, I honestly wouldn't know where to start. So going to leave it for now.
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“I find it quite hilarious the way that they've all taken umbrage about 'the big man'.
He has become an acceptable excuse to behave disgracefully towards Perez. He is the sacred cow.
He was clearly struggling in the house - on Chloes exit interview she said he really wanted to leave. Whilst I'll agree that Perez was provoking him surely the man is responsible for his own behaviour and how he chooses to react.
It was pretty evident that he was finding his rage hard to control - judging by the language he used I assume he would have dealt with it in a physical way outside the house. Well ..........attacking someone physically isn't allowed in the BB house so it's as well he buggered off.
Sick to death of how they all mourn Alexander's departure and keep harping on about it.
It's pathetic justification to attack Perez.”
“I find it quite hilarious the way that they've all taken umbrage about 'the big man'.
He has become an acceptable excuse to behave disgracefully towards Perez. He is the sacred cow.
He was clearly struggling in the house - on Chloes exit interview she said he really wanted to leave. Whilst I'll agree that Perez was provoking him surely the man is responsible for his own behaviour and how he chooses to react.
It was pretty evident that he was finding his rage hard to control - judging by the language he used I assume he would have dealt with it in a physical way outside the house. Well ..........attacking someone physically isn't allowed in the BB house so it's as well he buggered off.
Sick to death of how they all mourn Alexander's departure and keep harping on about it.
It's pathetic justification to attack Perez.”
Thank you Penny. You've said what I wish I'd had the energy to say in reply to Sandy's last post to me.
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“I find it quite hilarious the way that they've all taken umbrage about 'the big man'.
He has become an acceptable excuse to behave disgracefully towards Perez. He is the sacred cow.
He was clearly struggling in the house - on Chloes exit interview she said he really wanted to leave. Whilst I'll agree that Perez was provoking him surely the man is responsible for his own behaviour and how he chooses to react.
It was pretty evident that he was finding his rage hard to control - judging by the language he used I assume he would have dealt with it in a physical way outside the house. Well ..........attacking someone physically isn't allowed in the BB house so it's as well he buggered off.
Sick to death of how they all mourn Alexander's departure and keep harping on about it.
It's pathetic justification to attack Perez.”
“I find it quite hilarious the way that they've all taken umbrage about 'the big man'.
He has become an acceptable excuse to behave disgracefully towards Perez. He is the sacred cow.
He was clearly struggling in the house - on Chloes exit interview she said he really wanted to leave. Whilst I'll agree that Perez was provoking him surely the man is responsible for his own behaviour and how he chooses to react.
It was pretty evident that he was finding his rage hard to control - judging by the language he used I assume he would have dealt with it in a physical way outside the house. Well ..........attacking someone physically isn't allowed in the BB house so it's as well he buggered off.
Sick to death of how they all mourn Alexander's departure and keep harping on about it.
It's pathetic justification to attack Perez.”
Perez is doing to Katie what he did to Alexander, but he knows Katie won't wallop him, that's the only difference, and they've all been hassled by Perez's antics, it's not just one HM. And you don't like Katie H, so it's wasted.
The HMs liked Alexander, and Perez drove him out , so they have reason to be angry at Perez cutting his time in that house short. They saw Perez's gameplaying in full swing and they've since outed him, and now he's going to have to change that gameplan, and clam right down. - he's made their time in the house very unbearable , you've seen how they've reacted to him, the noise level, and he's not been back in there a day !
Originally Posted by sandy50:
“Perez is doing to Katie what he did to Alexander, but he knows Katie won't wallop him, that's the only difference, and they've all been hassled by Perez's antics, it's not just one HM. And you don't like Katie H, so it's wasted.”
“Perez is doing to Katie what he did to Alexander, but he knows Katie won't wallop him, that's the only difference, and they've all been hassled by Perez's antics, it's not just one HM. And you don't like Katie H, so it's wasted.”
Perez upstages them. He gets more airtime because he's genius at it. They know that and that's what's really their problem with him.
Originally Posted by sandy50:
“I don't admire Katie H in any shape or form, but she's a great HM on BB, - and I think she's been very brave to stand up to Perez, who could do anything at any given moment, and I don't even think about what Katie H says or does outside of the House when I watch BB, because I don't really care. And I think it would be great if others can put that aside too, because we're seeing the real side of these people , and yes, she can be a stroppy c*w, but I didn't think she'd be otherwise ! We won't agree for sure, but she's got everyone talking , so she must be a good HM !”
“I don't admire Katie H in any shape or form, but she's a great HM on BB, - and I think she's been very brave to stand up to Perez, who could do anything at any given moment, and I don't even think about what Katie H says or does outside of the House when I watch BB, because I don't really care. And I think it would be great if others can put that aside too, because we're seeing the real side of these people , and yes, she can be a stroppy c*w, but I didn't think she'd be otherwise ! We won't agree for sure, but she's got everyone talking , so she must be a good HM !”
I was wrong we do agree - I agree Katie H has been an entertaining HM. I have judged her from what she has said or done in the house. For me it is very clear - her judgemental attitude shines through in the house they is no need to consider what she has done and said outside of the house - she seems exactly the same person to me, clearly the "American" comment should have cleared that up for everyone last night. She and Perez have got everyone talking and it wouldn't surprise me if that was not the game plan from day one or even before
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