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It speaks volume me to seeing KH getting cheers over Nadia. Makes me sick
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humpty dumpty
29-01-2015
Originally Posted by Boox:
“Great post humpy dumpty ”

Thank you

I find it surprising how many people feel that throwing personal insults at people for no good reason is something to be congratulated for
Jules_Thornley
29-01-2015
Originally Posted by iluvdannii:
“I really feel ashamed/embarrassed at the British public for loving Katie h over someone like Nadia.

I don't care how annoying Perez is Katie has shown herself to be a bully. The way she behaves is bullying behaviour and it baffles me how she gets cheers and someone like Nadia who is a real women with moral views who is being fair and friendly to everyone is getting boos.

Katie is nasty and horrible women. The way she talks about everyone behind there backs with Michelle just proves that to me. She thinks she's above everyone else.

Not going to lie she has been entertaining but I will be really disappointed if she wins.

If she wins to me that's saying that's its okay to behave the way she has on the outside world.”

She has opinions. You might not agree with them. But Katie seems alright. It's all a game. It's all about brands as Nadia would say. Seems she doesn't believe what she says though when it comes to Perez. She has fallen hook line and sinker for Perez. Silly girl.
Artemis1
29-01-2015
I think Katie missed Alicia because she got the conversation she wanted and Alicia gave as good as she got.

Imo Katie Hopkins is getting cheered only because she is the only one to stand up to the "mother and son " combo .

Until they are split up everything will remain the same and unless it's fixed none of the three will win .
humpty dumpty
29-01-2015
Originally Posted by IsThisHappiness:
“Agree.

Yes, Katie H was upfront with Alicia - one of the only ones - and I think Alicia did appreciate that and by the end they seemed to quite like each other and Katie H was sad that Alicia was evicted.”

By 'upfront' you mean mocking her intelligence publicly for no reason? I'm sure she appreciated that and it must have been most helpful.

Alicia didn't appreciate her mocking and insulting at all. She had to learn to deal with Katie and that is a credit to her. She faced up to Katie from the beginning, by telling her she was being rude and unkind and questioning why she did it. The fact that it changed to 'banter' was helpful and necessary for both Alicia and the rest of the house. They needed a bit of sanity in that environment and she was able to have a laugh with her in the end, which was good. Doesn't mean she liked her, appreciated the insults or benefited from them....she just learned to deal with it in a better way, given the fact they were living together.

But Alicia still said when she came out that Katie had been unecessarily cruel and rude with her (no surprise, because she was!) and had caused her upset in the house. It was Nadia and Keith she pointed out who had not only been the most supportive and kind, but gave her good advice and helped her a lot with how she sees things outside the house. No surprise they were her favourites.
Dizzle
29-01-2015
Stopped reading after the word "bully".

Now THAT is what speaks volumes.
blahblahblah57
29-01-2015
Originally Posted by humpty dumpty:
“Never did I once mention bullying in my post. And regardless of whether you want to call the deliberate ostracising of another housemate (to the point of hounding anyone that dares speak to them) 'bullying' or not..... it still shows a horribly nasty side to her character anyway.

I said she threw unecessarily rude insults to Alicia, FOR NO GOOD REASON other than to demean and embaras her or for 'entertainment' - either way it was nasty and I find it incredible that people think she should be patted on the back for it!

And I don't agree that Alicia was disliked by everyone. She was a bit of a dolly daydream and as a result some might have got impatient with her or voiced a few things that annoyed them about her (I'm sure there are characteristics of all the housemates that they found annoying at times) but on the contrary, Nadia and Keith were extremely fond of her, as evidenced by their reactions when she left.

So what if she might be a bit lacking in the intelligence department? How people reacted to that says more about them than her. If we were talking about a particular behaviour of Alicias that was wrong, or a dispute, of course it is better to speak directly to the person (although it can be done with tact) and 'have it out' so that the problem could be sorted. But this has nothing to do with it. There was no 'problem'. Katie identified a weakness/shortcoming in Alicia and decided to mock and humiliate Alicia publicly for it. There was no need to talk about Alicias lack of intelligence in a mocking way, no benefit to come from it other than to make Alicia feel bad. How some people are going on as if she was speaking out on something that had to be said is absolutely ridiculous. It served no purpose than to be destructive and unkind. Nadia and Keith reactions to her by contrast were constructive and kind. As Nadia said in the Diary Room, Alicia made her want to give her a big cuddle. And in practical terms thats what she did, she looked out for her and supported her. Alicia mentioned how great Nadia and Keith were - not just by being kind and supportive in the house, but by helping her a lot with her mindset and failings she had in approaching things out of the house.

As for Alicia looking for arguements with Katie....it was Katie who initiated it all when she chose to pick on what she saw as Alicias weaknesses as thats what she does. Alicia didn't cry or shout back but calmly pointed out to her how unecessarily rude she was being. It was only after the mocking insults did Alicia get the bit between her teeth, and I'm not surprised, who would not get annoyed at people mocking you like that?”

Perfectly put. Not a post to be contradicted.
treetree
29-01-2015
Originally Posted by IsThisHappiness:
“People like to play this bullying card every year when there is rarely any bullying going on.

Katie has been one of the ONLY ones who stood up to Perez. Whilst others went quiet and got too nervous to say anything because they didn't want to come across badly (Keith, Calum, Patsy, Kav) she stood up and said something. Others went in there knowing what she was like and decided to go against her because they thought the public would support that (Nadia). She's the only one in there that doesn't care if she is hated. She's the only one without an ego. We've heard Nadia say "Im not used to be unliked. I'm used to being the popular, nice woman by the public". We've heard Michelle say she has her own spot in the final. Katie has said "I don't care if you don't like me, if I go...i go.".

She hasn't bullied anyone. Alicia was an idiot who said the most stupid things and didn't know her alphabet and only learned it to raise her SECOND child (such a great person she didn't even learn it when she had baby number 1). Alicia annoyed most the HM's but Katie was the only one to say anything to her face whilst Keith, Katie P, Calum, Nadia, Perez, Patsy, Alexander and Kav all spoke about her behind her back. Alicia looked for arguments with Katie and Katie never went for it, which was brilliant as Alicia was left there looking foolish.

You're absolutely right it speaks volumes. It shows that the public have seen right through that idiot, Nadia, and have realised exactly what her intentions were from the start - going against Hopkins for popularity. And it failed....BRILLIANTLY.”

brilliant post
humpty dumpty
29-01-2015
Originally Posted by blahblahblah57:
“Perfectly put. Not a post to be contradicted.”

Thank you...though I'm sure there will be many who disagree
Cranberryapple
29-01-2015
Originally Posted by humpty dumpty:
“Never did I once mention bullying in my post. And regardless of whether you want to call the deliberate ostracising of another housemate (to the point of hounding anyone that dares speak to them) 'bullying' or not..... it still shows a horribly nasty side to her character anyway.

I said she threw unecessarily rude insults to Alicia, FOR NO GOOD REASON other than to demean and embaras her or for 'entertainment' - either way it was nasty and I find it incredible that people think she should be patted on the back for it!

And I don't agree that Alicia was disliked by everyone. She was a bit of a dolly daydream and as a result some might have got impatient with her or voiced a few things that annoyed them about her (I'm sure there are characteristics of all the housemates that they found annoying at times) but on the contrary, Nadia and Keith were extremely fond of her, as evidenced by their reactions when she left.

So what if she might be a bit lacking in the intelligence department? How people reacted to that says more about them than her. If we were talking about a particular behaviour of Alicias that was wrong, or a dispute, of course it is better to speak directly to the person (although it can be done with tact) and 'have it out' so that the problem could be sorted. But this has nothing to do with it. There was no 'problem'. Katie identified a weakness/shortcoming in Alicia and decided to mock and humiliate Alicia publicly for it. There was no need to talk about Alicias lack of intelligence in a mocking way, no benefit to come from it other than to make Alicia feel bad. How some people are going on as if she was speaking out on something that had to be said is absolutely ridiculous. It served no purpose than to be destructive and unkind. Nadia and Keith reactions to her by contrast were constructive and kind. As Nadia said in the Diary Room, Alicia made her want to give her a big cuddle. And in practical terms thats what she did, she looked out for her and supported her. Alicia mentioned how great Nadia and Keith were - not just by being kind and supportive in the house, but by helping her a lot with her mindset and failings she had in approaching things out of the house.

As for Alicia looking for arguements with Katie....it was Katie who initiated it all when she chose to pick on what she saw as Alicias weaknesses as thats what she does. Alicia didn't cry or shout back but calmly pointed out to her how unecessarily rude she was being. It was only after the mocking insults did Alicia get the bit between her teeth, and I'm not surprised, who would not get annoyed at people mocking you like that?”

Excellent post
Artemis1
29-01-2015
I think if any poster ,if they were in that house ,would think how they would react to "mother and son " combo .

I believe the housemates have done a marvellous job in keeping their cool.

Imagine Perez does something which all housemates disagree with only to be told by "mummy" Nadia that Perez is right and you are wrong.
Menk
29-01-2015
Originally Posted by mz fit:
“Again...my thoughts exactly. I'm sorry, but you have to work very hard to go through a very privileged educational system and come out with such an astoundingly low amount of knowledge. I work in education and I find it hard to believe she managed to get through it without knowing her alphabet at the very least.

As far as Katie H is concerned, she was quite up front with Alicia and at the end there seemed to have been a genuine affection between them both so it couldn't have been too severe or traumatic for Alicia.”

As you know, the emphasis is largely placed on phonics in the early years - reciting the alphabet is not important when learning to read.

While it may be surprising that she struggles with the alphabet, it is not a huge handicap in the great scheme of learning.
JayDee279
29-01-2015
Originally Posted by Boox:
“Great post humpy dumpty ”

Sorry, but you failed to quote the post in its entirety, thus breaking Forum Rules
Jo March
29-01-2015
Originally Posted by IsThisHappiness:
“If she decided to take that action when she had her FIRST child then yes, I would respect her.”

Ha!
Bit of back-tracking there (just like KH with her Americans are loud comment) It's plain to see that you are now just using that as an excuse to call her and it wouldn't have mattered,to you,when she started to try to help herself

It is never to late to learn.....good for her

Originally Posted by IsThisHappiness:
“I
But after hearing about her not knowing shapes or her alphabets and seeing her telling her - at the time - 16 year old daughter to leave school and go into to porn, get a boob job and marry a rich man, then no, I certainly wont be supporting that vile woman. .”

Now that is a different conversation...I suggest if you want to have one about those points you start another thread.

Originally Posted by IsThisHappiness:
“I'll stick to the well deserved name calling and derision.”

If you feel okay about it and think it is well deserved to call someone who,by her own admission is not the brightest button in the box an IDIOT (as you did) you just carry on. You and Katie Hopkins make a fine pair.
humpty dumpty
29-01-2015
Thank you cranberry apple and blah blah blah
netcurtains
29-01-2015
Originally Posted by iluvdannii:
“I really feel ashamed/embarrassed at the British public for loving Katie h over someone like Nadia.

I don't care how annoying Perez is Katie has shown herself to be a bully. The way she behaves is bullying behaviour and it baffles me how she gets cheers and someone like Nadia who is a real women with moral views who is being fair and friendly to everyone is getting boos.

Katie is nasty and horrible women. The way she talks about everyone behind there backs with Michelle just proves that to me. She thinks she's above everyone else.

Not going to lie she has been entertaining but I will be really disappointed if she wins.

If she wins to me that's saying that's its okay to behave the way she has on the outside world.”

I know it's hard but try not to take it too seriously. I really don't think that many people bother to vote, there are a handful of obsessives with their fingers on redial and a few casual voters. A few thousand nutters out of 60 odd million people isn't anything to worry about in the grand scheme of things.
Jo March
29-01-2015
Originally Posted by netcurtains:
“I know it's hard but try not to take it too seriously. I really don't think that many people bother to vote, there are a handful of obsessives with their fingers on redial and a few casual voters. A few thousand nutters out of 60 odd million people isn't anything to worry about in the grand scheme of things.”

Thank you for,netcurtains,for putting it back into perspective... you are,of course, right

At the same time I hate the thought of that vile woman being crowned the winner. ugh!
Dexter Fan1
29-01-2015
I completely, absolutely agree.

Get KH out!

Perez to win!
AMS13
29-01-2015
Originally Posted by sandy50:
“Katie defending herself over Perez's goading and taunting to deliberately annoy her !!!! I would like to remind you that Perez even admitted that's what he was doing- he's playing a game !! He's not the victim here , that's ludicrous , a true bully has to have a victim and there isn't one is there !

And it's NOT bullying because the person you imagine is at the receiving end of Katie H is laughing and not affected by anything she's doing. Infact ....Perez is better at it than her ----- he's even resorted to taunting and aggravating her further by licking her face ...........he keeps stooper lower and lower to get as much airtime as he can.

BB even seemed to be pushing Katie,,when in the Diary Room, to make some form of official complaint about Perez ---- but Katie's not a crybaby and poo pooed what Perez did because she views his behaviour as being comparison to that of a child !! Lucky for Perez that she does isn't it.


Nadia has just shown her real side ..........by showing us she has a nasty irrational side and a very short temper and can kick off if someone dare say her food is heavy !! crikey,,...........she needs to take a chill pill !! And she talks about HMs with Patsy, and Perez, and then has a go at anyone else who's done the same !! She can't admit her own faults but is prepared to go all guns blazing to bring down anyone who doesn't see things the way she does. Must be horrible living with both her, moany ol bag.”



Good comment. Katie H is old school and it shows. So glad she got the cheers.
netcurtains
29-01-2015
Originally Posted by Jo March:
“Thank you for,netcurtains,for putting it back into perspective... you are,of course, right

At the same time I hate the thought of that vile woman being crowned the winner. ugh!”

I hate the thought of her winning too, it galls me but I try to be content in the knowledge that I don't know anyone who likes her.
AMS13
29-01-2015
It is strange how people do not understand democracy? We all have different tastes and also the right to have our own opinion (well at the moment). Long may it continue.
Trish123
29-01-2015
Originally Posted by droogiefret:
“I must admit to feeling, not for the first time, that I am very much in the minority.

However ... the one thing that restores my faith is that my views of the housemates do seem to agree pretty much with housemates view of themselves. (For example all the housemates like Nadia). And they are with each other all the time so should generally have a more accurate view than the highlights viewing public.”

If I trully believed the small number of KH supporters were representative of the whole of the GBP I'd be revolted.

It's really difficult realising on here she has so much support. I am nearly always in the minority. However, back in the real world amongst people I choose to associate with she is detested. So it really does put it in perspective.

I wonder if KH would approve of half her supporters any way. She seems to have hate for everything and every one that doesn't fit her dysfunctional ideals.
Jo March
29-01-2015
Originally Posted by netcurtains:
“I hate the thought of her winning too, it galls me but I try to be content in the knowledge that I don't know anyone who likes her.”

Reasons to be cheerful 1

gulliverfoyle
29-01-2015
Originally Posted by AMS13:
“It is strange how people do not understand democracy? We all have different tastes and also the right to have our own opinion (well at the moment). Long may it continue.”

you dont agree with Nadia? dont you know she always right she reads the guardian so has the moral high ground

call the police!
mitacond
29-01-2015
Originally Posted by billiesmith:
“Absolutely spot on post! Nobody's perfect and each and every one of us have character flaws, but thankfully we are not usually put under such public scrutiny. However, been unnecessarily rude to other people and hurtful is not something which should be celebrated or excused, regardless of who is doing it or their justification for it.”

Originally Posted by iluvdannii:
“What I'm trying to highlight is her behaviour. I'm not saying Perez is being bullied he can hold his own. BUT what I'm saying is the way Katie says things and talks to some people is like that person is the gum stuck to the bottom of her shoe. If it wasn't Perez it would have been someone else she would have hated. That's the person she is. She gets off on saying hurtful things and being horrible to people and when she talks behind people's backs it's very different from when Nadia does it. Katie belittles that person and laughs at them like they're nothing.

Katie h is in no way a role model for anyone and I think her behaviour is disgusting. Some people will say Perez is the same but he is not. Perez is just being an attention seeking idiot that wants air time and knows being enemies with Katie will give him that and yes he's done/said questionable things in his career but are you really saying that everything he has done is worse than what Katie h has said In her 'career'.

As Katie would say....I just wish everyone would get out of her arse.

Going into BB has probably just made her think she's even more perfect and correct in everything she says/does seeing as people are cheering for her.”

Great post and I agree with you.: This type of adult bully is self-centered and does not share empathy with others. Additionally, there is little anxiety about consequences. He or she seems to feel good about him or herself, but in reality has a brittle narcissism that requires putting others down. I have noticed that Katie withers from praise, seemingly, she is not able to react to it and her eyes go down and she covers her mouth is this just for the camera, a coyness which again might be an act ; however this inability might be a product of her early habituation.
Jennyloo
29-01-2015
Originally Posted by iluvdannii:
“I really feel ashamed/embarrassed at the British public for loving Katie h over someone like Nadia.

I don't care how annoying Perez is Katie has shown herself to be a bully. The way she behaves is bullying behaviour and it baffles me how she gets cheers and someone like Nadia who is a real women with moral views who is being fair and friendly to everyone is getting boos.

Katie is nasty and horrible women. The way she talks about everyone behind there backs with Michelle just proves that to me. She thinks she's above everyone else.

Not going to lie she has been entertaining but I will be really disappointed if she wins.

If she wins to me that's saying that's its okay to behave the way she has on the outside world.”

Well obviously if your vile then you win. Look at Helen. Look at that bloody Denise Welch. I stopped watching CBB because of her. If Katie wins or even comes in the top 3 that will put me off again. Since channel5 have taken over the show is getting vile. But nastiness and violence on the screen seems to be the norm. What a sad world.
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