For years c4 had their dull safe winners in both cbb and regular bb.

However charlotte crosby, jim Davidson, helen wood, gary busey and probably now katie Hopkins none of who can be described as nice.

I get the feeling that after sam the lad with the hearing impairment won, pretty much because of that, they made it their priority to ensure than no one dull like this would ever win again.

The show became more scripted reality TV , the expensive signing was heavily protected with the edit, therefore less nominations and therefore fairly easy to get the voters to buy into the narrative.

It seems to be working everytime now

Yeah. Makes you wonder why we're still bothering to watch. They don't want us oldie fans any more, it's aimed at a totally different audience.

I can't remember the last nice winner

I cant stand any of the winners the OP listed.
I live in hope for a Cheggers win this time round but I wont hold my breath.

That's because they're are not memorable.

I don't mind nice winners as long as they were somewhat entertaining during the course of the show.

I would rather a 'nice' person won rather than someone who has been horrible the whole way through. However I would rather see a person that has been horrible the whole way through win rather than someone who has been a non entity for the whole series.

Sam was not entertaining and he was always horrible to Dexter (who admittedly, was a massive bullshitter). I don't think he was a deserving winner.

Helen, while being a horrible person at least made a lot of entertainment in her series.

Its a good thing
Helen and Ashleigh were a fantastic final 2 to what was an absolutely dreadful series.

The winner should always be the one who has been a central character throughout, this can at times be a 'nice' person. But more often than not its someone controversial who divides opinion.
The way social media went into meltdown when Helen won was truely hilarious and a sign that people need to get out a whole lot more.

It was a nice trick of BB to offer us the voice/say on Perez being "eternally nominated or passported to the final"

But in reality all that did was cement his place in the final either way.

By Perez being nominated by default it means the other HMs have to use a nomination on each other that most would have used on Perez had they the free choice.

Nominating each other rather than Perez will breed resentment between the other HMs that would have in a great part been directed at Perez.

Without being able to nominate Perez the other HMs lose an ability to vent and air their actual feelings to the watching public.

Yes they have.

I would say Julian Clary/Luke A were the last sort of "Feel Good" Winners they had up until this point.

To be fair the gloating was even worse, and she didn't half gloat with her 'friends' when she got back on Twitter

Just the way she and her little clique just laid into the rest of the housemates was uncomfortable reading on social media

Seeing who's up for eviction right now, I'd say no.

Cheggers had a good chance but now Hopkins and Perez are being shoved in our faces, I think he is out of the running now along with Michelle

Original top 3 prediction - Hopkins, Michelle and Cheggers

Now think it's going to be Hopkins, Perez and Price

Has there ever been a truly nice person as a winner I have not liked any of them, why oh why do I watch this show

I quite agree. I explained almost this same thing to my daughter yesterday after she got super excited about the fact that Perez would be up for eviction each week now. I burst her bubble a tad (oops!) and told her to put the champagne back on ice and hold off with the party lol

The point about my post and this thread is that the "default" Perez nomination means other HMs will now be up for eviction where they may not have been if all HMs had been free to nominate Perez as one of their nominations.

BB by keeping it as a vote to save rather than evict ensure that the nasty/strong HMs will remain and the nice/weak HMs will be voted out one by one.

good !

well my reference was to the ofcom brigaide.

i dont pay much attention at all to the civilian BB housemates once the shows over, they are mostly desperate wannabes and i always regret spending 10 weeks watching the show when its over, but as a BB fan i cant help myself

Well in the civilian series, we've had Aaron, Luke A, Sam and Helen. Luke A and Sam I think most people would consider "nice" - even if nice simply equals dull and inoffensive. Aaron split opinions slightly more regarding his character, and Helen I think most people considered to be the polar opposite of nice. So it's 50/50 there.

In the CBB series, Paddy, Deniese, Julian, Rylan, Charlotte and Gary were, based on the editing, the characters we were supposed to be rooting for for the sake of the "greater good". Deniese was hugely unpopular on here, yet the producers edited it for the viewers to sympathise with her and see the Twins and Nicola as the villains - therefore making her a "nice winner". Same with Gary, who was very much "the victim" with the likes of Dee and James as the perpetrators who were "bullying" him. Only Jim in the Celeb Series was edited as a grey character whom the editors didn't seem to mind if he was liked or hated. If either Katie H or Perez wins this series, they'll fit into the Helen/Jim mould, whereas the likes of Keith will be considered the "nice" winner.

So to answer the question, no - most of channel 5's winners have ended up consisting of the stereotypical good guys imo, with one or two exceptions.

So it would appear, thankfully.