I don't think so, because the row seems to have started as a result of Perez telling Kav what he heard from the Secret Room, and just as he'd instigated a row between Calum and Nadia, he's managed to do it again - or could be wrong, but seems that way.

Do we actually know that she has "writing material", rather than phoning it in? Or, if she uses a laptop or similar to type it, is that "writing material"? It seems to be that BB has some leeway in interpretation there.

Besides, the rule about writing materials is about communication with other HMs and discussing nominations:

"It is against the rules for housemates to discuss their nominations with each other. This includes:
...
Writing down or using materials at your disposal to form names, initials or other symbols – this is why the use of pens, pencils or any written communication is strictly against the rules."

BB could feel that submitting a column from a separate room does not raise the same danger of clandestine communication with other HMs re nominations.

BTW, I think Keith is playing the game hard, now that he's facing the vote.

Kavana is a tit. That is all!

At last somebody stands up to KH. Keith was impressive, I think he's had the best idea standing back and seeing the whole picture....he's totally got her number. Well done Keith.

She's writing her column while in the House, that's communicating with the OUTSIDE, it's doesn't matter how she's doing it , it's the fact she's doing it at all.

The idea of BB is that the HMs are confined in that house without any other stimulation, which is the whole point of the social experiment. There may not be anyone communicating directly with her, but it gives her something else to occupy her mind, and concentrate on , and not get cabin fever and take it out on the other HMs (which a lot of them do as a result of being in that House and having to just live in that space with other HMs)......, so that's why I think it's not on.

We've seen her interview/question other HMs , like she did Patsy, obviously for some info to put in her column, so she has something to help pass the time in there, the others don't, they're left to their own devices. But they've allowed her to do it, so not much point discussing it, it's just that I disagree with that. And Keith clearly has a problem with it too, wonder if any of the others do.

Perez didn't stir up anything.

Why is Kav not permitted to have a conversation without Hopkins sticking her beak in? It had nothing whatsoever to do with her - she claims 'I was sticking up for him'.

Did he need sticking up for? I can't see it.

Keith was brilliant there - telling her like it is - I think she should appreciate that - that's what she stands for isn't it?

Horrible, controlling, beaky, spiteful old cow.

We haven't seen the entire thing yet. All Katie was doing was saying Kav's funny when he's drunk and comes out of himself , from what I heard,- so she isn't sticking her beak in,there's nothing wrong with that. Perez is a stirrer so perhaps that's why she was sticking up for Kav as he may have instigated something that led to all this.

Funny how you change your tune when others say that Nadia sticks up for Perez, you'd say it's supporting , or being loyal or being a friend, so why couldn't that be what Katie H could have been doing for Kav? And the last sentence, is OTT, not necessary.

I honestly don't believe that Katie H has an altruistic bone in her body.

but none of them do in there really. I think Alicia came across as a very nice person, easy going and put up with a lot - but it's unrealistic to expect them all to get on and be great mates and consider others, as there's some huge egos in there.

With the VT we haven't seen the whole thing yet, so it's hard to comment, but Perez is prize stirrer and he may have started this kicking off. Kav hasn't done anything to Katie H, so that's probably why she likes him, but Kav's been quite insulting to Keith when drunk.

There's nothing funny about it - it's two completely different things.

I'm assuming that she's referring to Kav coming into the bedroom a bit tiddly and talking about his conversation with Perez. She did stick her beak in - she didn't think (for whatever reason) that Perez had any right to speak to Kav. Who made her boss of the house? Do people have to ask her permission before they speak to anyone 'outside' the group?

I'd say most, if not all, of the others have a caring side...even Perez. Katie definitely not, Michelle, I'm not sure.

I don't think for a minute that Katie cares about Kev.

Why have you got a problem which seems very petty with Katie H speaking up about Kav ? I don't see what the big deal is - She did say it wasn't the right time to Perez - probably as Kav was drunk.

We don't know yet what Perez and Kav were talking about or if Perez was stirring because Kav had had a drink, and Katie H was just looking out for Kav by looks of it, as she knows what Perez is like, it's nothing to do with talking to someone outside 'the group' , what's that about ?

The only person who tries to control that house and shouts others down, and interferes with arguments that are nothing to do with them is Nadia- and in the VT at one point (below) Kav is sitting on the bed talking about Perez and Nadia says something to him, and he tells her that she's being rude.
http://bigbrother.channel5.com/day-24-big-row-bedtime
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We can only speculate , but we don't know how they really feel about eachother.

Go Keith! Was impressed with how he handled that and took no messing.

He said what a lot of us are thinking. The bickering is boring and if I was in there I would be very disappointed with my experience being ruined by Perez and Katie H.

I hope he stays, I may have to actually vote to save him - I haven't voted in a long time as I haven't cared about anyone that much but after this he deserves to be saved.

Re the BIB - it has nothing whatsoever to do with Hopkins why Kav was speaking to Perez and what they were talking about. She is sticking her beak in for no reason - I think she panics when anyone speaks to Perez because she's frightened what they're saying about her.

This is in no way the same as the Perez/Nadia situation - clearly you can't or wont see that so we'll beg to differ.

Perez at this juncture was not involved. Kav was fine. Katie Hopkins did not want Kav to be so fine after a chat to Perez. It unnerved her imo. She kept pecking at it like a vulture at a corpse. Keith blew. Simples. It had nothing to do with Perez. Keith is sick of her end of.

Good for Keith.....

Kav told them what they'd been talking about and then Perez did too --

All Katie said was [i]now is not the time of night to talk to Kav (probably because he's drunk and it was late) ,and she said 'he should look after Kav' Nadia said the same thing - and because of the time of night Callum said the same thing, so did Michelle , and so did Nadia who said "it's a silly time of night to do it" - - but you say nothing about them sticking their 'beaks' in - it's singling Katie H out for a petty reason.

And all you can hear through that VT is hyped up Perez ranting on and on and on,just relentless rambling, when everyone's ready for bed ......and Nadia butting in a few times to end the conversation .....interesting you pick up on just Katie H.

No , not 'end of' , what's end of mean? You just don't see it the same way- I know the VT does not show Perez, that's why I said the row was as a result of Perez's stirring

because the conversation that Katie and Keith are talking about was between Perez and Kav - and it was Perez telling Kav it seems about what HMs have said about him and Kav said few things back to Perez, - so I'm saying it started with Perez stirring again by the sounds of it. And Kav wasn't fine, he was drunk and he'd been to the DR. It will probably become clearer in the HL show, hopefully.

I well watched 2 videos to do with that row last night and i can't see anywhere where NAdia is sticking up for Perez.

OMG. Keith's a ****ing hero right there.

But Perez had told Katie 3 times that it was Kev that approached him and initiated the conversation. Kev had also assured everyone that it was all fine. But she just couldn't let it go. She also had to be reminded that Kev was a grown man and not her child. Kev had wanted the conversation and he was fine with it.

Brilliant.



I love KH comment of how can you take someone serious when they have tinsel or wherever it was sticking through your flies

Yes, it was rather ........distracting - none of the HMs blinked an eye , and he's standing there ranting away being very stern, serious and he's got a glittery mass sticking out of his flies.............

Yeah, I heard that, Kav had gone to Perez, according to Perez---- but Kav was drunk so the HMs not just Katie were saying it's not the right time to have the conversation, it was to look after Kav, as he's drunk , he gets riled and insulting when he's bothered by something , he's done it before.......and Perez told him what the HMs had said behind his back,,,,,,I think Katie was just being concerned about that , and Kav's reaction........as were the others,that's why they kept saying it wasn't the right time, to Perez.