Perez's offensive tirade at Calum ***SPOILER VIDEO *** from BOTs

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sandy50

31-01-2015

Originally Posted by docman:
“Just like we don't know what it was that Alexander did to provoke that face off with Perez. He did something and it's so bad that Nadia will still not say what it was as it could still, outside the house, hurt Alexander.

Funny how the show is editing out all the provocations. It's almost as though they are protecting someone who is the real villain of the piece. But they wouldn't do that like they did with Conor and Jay would they? ”

Nadia admitted to Kav that she didn't know that Perez had made gestures sticking his tongue through his fingers (and I assume the rabbit's ears too) , so I think she wasn't as well informed about what happened there as she thought she was -- The rest of the HMs all blamed Perez for going too far -- she obviously hadn't bothered to find out.

sandy50

31-01-2015

Originally Posted by docman:
“Why isn't it?”

In my opinion it isn't and I haven't got the energy right now to go into it..
I think it's fair to say, that had it been, she would also have received an official warning from BB, but she didn't.

sheils1

31-01-2015

Originally Posted by sandy50:
“I don't see on that clip, either before or after it , Katie Hopkins saying ANYTHING that could have led to Perez's outburst - so I've no idea why Nadia said on BOTs that she was responsible. She really has a problem in acknowledging when Perez is in the wrong , she just can't bring herself to do it, it's really strange --

Perez doesn't take responsibility for any of his negative behaviour. The way he spoke to BB in the Diary Room when he was given an official warning, he was completely dismissive of what he'd done - so disrespectful.

I wonder how many complaints BB will get after this latest incident,yet again.......involving Perez ?”

FFS she was there you wasnt, thats why you didnt see gobshite start her usual rows.

sandy50

31-01-2015

Originally Posted by sheils1:
“FFS she was there you wasnt, thats why you didnt see gobshite start her usual rows.”

In the VT Katie H isn't even in the Kitchen is she !
Nadia may have been there, but why would I take that as being proof she's right in what she says, she does have a teeny weeny problem with Katie H. And you've seen the VT, and heard Perez.

yogacats

31-01-2015

Originally Posted by pope_tart:
“The thing is, whether you think Perez is right or wrong on this issue, if he gets thrown out he should be accompanied by Katie H who threatened to "rape" Perez anally with the rule book on a number of occasions.

either that, or in both cases, you can accept that it is just foul behaviour from both of them that is not, in either case, meant to be taken as a literal threat of harm to another person's body”

Exactly - Perez has been made into the house scapegoat this series (with Hopkins at the helm of that little movement.) It's like abusive spouses who wind their wives / hubbies up so often and so hard for such long periods that they blow, and then when they blow it's "Oooo look at them THEY'RE the problem not me" yeah right!

Why don't they all just jump off Hopkins band wagon and leave Perez alone! This sort of thing wouldn't be happening then.

yogacats

31-01-2015

Originally Posted by TwentyFifteen:
“Vulgar, crass, mental, insane, disgusting, vile, nasty, manipulative, self-centred, self-obsessed, vain and disturbed creature. He's so messed up I think he's at the point of no return. What happens when you attack other humans for so long, I think he has literally disappeared so far up his own backside, he can't escape.

Eammon was right, he does have a tail and horns.”

Yeah she's not very nice that Hopkins is she.

CaroUK

31-01-2015

It still boils down to the fact that there is no sight or sound of Katie H anywhere on that video - just Perez and Calum having a rather nasty spat.

From the word go Perez has had it in for Katie, and is getting increasingly frustrated that whatever he does or says to her she rises above it.

Nadia apart, he isn't popular with the other housemates, and his antics aren't the way to go about winning allies. Now that he has lost the security blanket of his "friendship" with Nadia, I expect to see him becoming more and more isolated as she isn't there to defend him or to buffer his actions.

sandy50

31-01-2015

Originally Posted by CaroUK:
“It still boils down to the fact that there is no sight or sound of Katie H anywhere on that video - just Perez and Calum having a rather nasty spat.

From the word go Perez has had it in for Katie, and is getting increasingly frustrated that whatever he does or says to her she rises above it.

Nadia apart, he isn't popular with the other housemates, and his antics aren't the way to go about winning allies. Now that he has lost the security blanket of his "friendship" with Nadia, I expect to see him becoming more and more isolated as she isn't there to defend him or to buffer his actions.”

Good post.

sandy50

31-01-2015

Originally Posted by yogacats:
“Yeah she's not very nice that Hopkins is she.”

Perez, the post was referring to Perez
(but you knew that

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Nearly New

31-01-2015

Originally Posted by sandy50:
“Perez has had issues with the men in that house, he did with Ken, he did with Alexander and he does with Calum. It was only a matter of time before Perez went for Calum,......and i'm glad it backfired on Perez this time and he got a formal warning from BB.

The clip of Perez's offensive outburst was shown on BOTS and to Nadia- it was her opportunity to redeem herself , but ........what did Nadia say after that clip of Perez's offensive rant at Calum ? NOTHING ABOUT PEREZ'S BEHAVIOUR ...........she went straight in, all guns blazing, and said : Katie Hopkins was responsible for it ”

Erm if you watched all of BOTS you've have later heard Nadia tell Ryan she took Perez to task over that in the garden but expects that not to be shown...just like Hopkins setting the whole thing off won't be either.

But hey keep those blinkers on why don't you!

jojoeno

31-01-2015

Originally Posted by Dave_62:
“Perez can insinuate rape and not get kicked out. He's right, it's the Perez show. BB should just end the farce if warnings fir offense. Let people say what they want.”

What Ken and Jeremy were supposed to have done pales into insignificance in comparison with this vile and disgusting threat towards Callum

This nutcase needs dumped out on his ear by CBB Producers immediately

Virgo

31-01-2015

Hopkins threats to Perez on so many occasions should have given a warning .....calum is just as bad....
BB got rules for one and not all.

I quite agree with you.

sandy50

31-01-2015

Originally Posted by pope_tart:
“isn't it? both are instances of another person saying they are going to shove something up another person's behind.....why do you think it's not the same thing? ”

Well ask BB why , because they didn't give Katie H a warning did they. As they didn't when she said she'd bash saucepans over Perez's head.

But I'd hazard a guess that it's in the delivery of the threat wouldn't you?

sandy50

31-01-2015

Originally Posted by Nearly New:
“Erm if you watched all of BOTS you've have later heard Nadia tell Ryan she took Perez to task over that in the garden but expects that not to be shown...just like Hopkins setting the whole thing off won't be either.

But hey keep those blinkers on why don't you!”

No no blinkers, i've posted about that already, in another thread, but she was only interested in implicating Katie H immediately after that VT was shown. And in that exchange between Perez and Calum you don't hear Katie H do you. She has nothing to do with either of them losing it. Perez is a 37 year old man for goodness sake ! And i'm sure we will see what happened that led to that incident.

fredster

31-01-2015

We saw it on the live feed last night.perez on his own staring into space thinking, what can I do next to get attention.

DiamondDoll

31-01-2015

Originally Posted by fredster:
“We saw it on the live feed last night.perez on his own staring into space thinking, what can I do next to get attention.”

In another thread last night I predicted that Perez would go into 'depressed mode'.

Guess I was right.

JLY

31-01-2015

Sandy50 may reply to this but if I may attempt to explain the difference between the two.

If you say you intend to shove a book up someones @rse you are using a variation on the saying "I will make you eat your words"

If you say you intend to shove your cock up someones arse you mean "I intend to shove my cock up your arse"

Hope this assists.

sandy50

31-01-2015

Originally Posted by JLY:
“Sandy50 may reply to this but if I may attempt to explain the difference between the two.

If you say you intend to shove a book up someones @rse you are using a variation on the saying "I will make you eat your words"

If you say you intend to shove your cock up someones arse you mean "I intend to shove my cock up your arse"

Hope this assists.”

ooo ooo do you have to put a * on some choice words ? I don't know if you do or not, but just to cover yourself.

And I'm not sure Katie H meant that analogy, but darn............that's a good one JLY, I never thought of that, - I thought Katie H just said 'book' because Perez is always referring to that BB Rule Book !

But the two are obviously so very different.

J.R

31-01-2015

Originally Posted by docman:
“It does if she has deliberately provoked the argument with the specific intention of provoking Perez to break rules. That is harassment.

Have you ever had an argument on your own against two or three people?

How is that EVER justified.”

I've been avoiding posting lately as I'm not really on any one persons side exclusively but surely if what you say is correct shouldn't that also be applied to Perez over his deliberate provoking of Alexander?
We havn't seen or heard any of Katies involvement in the argument so at the moment we only have Nadias comments to go on about that ( and she could hardly be described as impartial).
We did see and hear all of the things Perez said and did to Alexander though and they were just to provoke Alexander.
Unless Katie was throwing her voice then she is not responsible for Perez's choice of words.

sandy50

31-01-2015

Originally Posted by fredster:
“We saw it on the live feed last night.perez on his own staring into space thinking, what can I do next to get attention.”

After Nadia left he was sitting on the sofa next to Katie P and he had a plate on his face where he'd drawn eyes and a smiley face in toothpaste, so the guy's constantly scheming.

academia

31-01-2015

Originally Posted by hisdogspot:
“You posted that Perez was 'a queen who deserved a good beating'

Hardly in a position to speak of the 'indefensible' are you ?”

Perez is filth who is being crude in the grossest way to several HMs - Katie, Alexander, Cami and Callum. I don't believe we've sèen the half of it, which would explain the strong reaction the house has had to him. I have no doubr that if he behaved like that outside the house he would get that beating, and deserve it, and calling him a queen is mild compared to the muck that comes out of his mouth.

pope_tart

31-01-2015

Originally Posted by sandy50:
“Well ask BB why , because they didn't give Katie H a warning did they. As they didn't when she said she'd bash saucepans over Perez's head.

But I'd hazard a guess that it's in the delivery of the threat wouldn't you?”

No, because I don't see any difference in the delivery of the so called "threats". Both Perez' and Katie's up the arse comments, as well as the saucepans were said in a tone of exasperation and ranting indignation not in violence. No accompanying signs of aggressive body language at all...in fact Calum was the only one who really looked as if he might get physical.

All three comments might realistically be seen as obnoxious, but none of them came across as posing a real threat.

I really worry about some of the posters here who cannot tell the difference. Heaven help Perez if he ever says he could kill for a cup of tea.....you'd all be prepping the Tasers

sandy50

31-01-2015

Originally Posted by pope_tart:
“No, because I don't see any difference in the delivery of the so called "threats". Both Perez' and Katie's up the arse comments, as well as the saucepans were said in a tone of exasperation and ranting indignation not in violence. No accompanying signs of aggressive body language at all...in fact Calum was the only one who really looked as if he might get physical.

All three comments might realistically be seen as obnoxious, but none of them came across as posing a real threat.

I really worry about some of the posters here who cannot tell the difference. Heaven help Perez if he ever says he could kill for a cup of tea.....you'd all be prepping the Tasers”

But my interpretation of all of these behaviours have been reinforced by BB who have only issued Perez with a Formal Warning for what he said to Calum.

sandy50

31-01-2015

Originally Posted by academia:
“Perez is filth who is being crude in the grossest way to several HMs - Katie, Alexander, Cami and Callum. I don't believe we've sèen the half of it, which would explain the strong reaction the house has had to him. I have no doubr that if he behaved like that outside the house he would get that beating, and deserve it, and calling him a queen is mild compared to the muck that comes out of his mouth.”

I agree, that is one thing Katie H has got completely sussed about Perez ............he has studied that Rule Book and he has taken his behaviour in that House to the very edge of being bannable , he's no fool.

pope_tart

31-01-2015

Originally Posted by sandy50:
“But my interpretation of all of these behaviours have been reinforced by BB who have only issued Perez with a Formal Warning for what he said to Calum.”

Oh come on, since when have BB ever been fair in their meting out of warnings?

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