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The scary "Katie Hopkins effect"
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Bacon&Eggs
31-01-2015
Originally Posted by weekarnygee:
“Keep up dear the point most reasonable people are making is that children have always called each other names they have not suddenly started in the last few weeks because Katie Hopkins does it. In the first part of your reply you acknowledge this and then ask why these days this is happening. Maybe people these days need to be a little less sensitive and not take themselves so seriously.”

It was aknowledged because it's beyond obvious..No one thinks KH invented name calling, not a soletary sole on the planet thinks it. I asked Dolly the cloned sheep if she though't KH had invented name calling 1 bharr for yes 2 for no guess what? Bharr Bharr.

According to you it's only 'reasonable people' that think it needs pointing out. It doesn't. KH is accused of perpetuating the childish practise of name calling hence the perfectly valid question why is it still happening in this day n age.

Well reasonable people Why? *looks at KH and her ilk*
Gnomsie
31-01-2015
Whilst I don't believe KH is the reason for kids name calling, that's been a feature of playgrounds since playgrounds began, hasn't it? I do believe that her behaviour reinforces it.
It's becoming ok to name call and offend, because it's just 'being honest'. People are offending others without much thought about the anguish it could cause, there's no brain/mouth filter.
Dextor_Morgan
31-01-2015
Originally Posted by sheils1:
“OMG cant you see who the Gobshites fans are.”

Gobshite? Blimey, an insult from the 70's.
Bookhouse Boy
31-01-2015
It IS something to do with KH because:

We have worked so hard as a society to stop people being bullied because they are overweight or have ginger hair etc etc etc Children often over-ride this unfortunately and it's up to adults to teach them right from wrong.

KH is a celebrated adult on a platform telling society that children who have ginger hair aren't lovable which reinforced the negative stereotype - only not from a taunting child but from an adult on television.

Children are still hanging themselves because they are taunted over their ginger hair colour - Google it. why are we paying and listening to an adult that is happy to reinforce this message that then filters down to the playground....and at best ends up with a child in tears and and worse ends up in a morgue?

Or don't we protect our children anymore?
Pete_Lashmar
31-01-2015
During the 80's and 90's there was a huge swing in favour of banning any kind of punishment - the cane and the slipper were banned in schools, children were given a lot more rights & parents were arrested if children were smacked.

Schools were no longer able to punish a child, even a detention required a days notice by letter, so schools became very unruley and the children became wise to it.

This lead to one thing - children and teenagers became unpunishable and knew they could do or say just about anything and no one could really do much about it.

Those children and teenagers are now parents and the next generation are growing up in a world where celebrity & the glamor industry are attainable and encouraged and where they have so many rights that they feel, again untouchable.

Society is so different now to when I was at school, where you behaved because the repercussions were unthinkable, where my mum and dad could give me a slap around the legs.

Language has also changed, people swear so much more now, it's all over the TV, sex is on every billboard and on TV and in the media and of course the internet gives people information on anything they want.

And yet people still think that Katie Hopkins is a concern.
Penfolds_place
31-01-2015
Originally Posted by Bookhouse Boy:
“It IS something to do with KH because:

We have worked so hard as a society to stop people being bullied because they are overweight or have ginger hair etc etc etc Children often over-ride this unfortunately and it's up to adults to teach them right from wrong.

KH is a celebrated adult on a platform telling society that children who have ginger hair aren't lovable which reinforced the negative stereotype - only not from a taunting child but from an adult on television.

Children are still hanging themselves because they are taunted over their ginger hair colour - Google it. why are we paying and listening to an adult that is happy to reinforce this message that then filters down to the playground....and at best ends up with a child in tears and and worse ends up in a morgue?

Or don't we protect our children anymore?”

As much as I dislike her, I don't think she has any responsibility to be a good role model to kids. She doesn't market herself at a children's audience and it's up to parents to guide their kids and provide them with good role models. Adults that admire KH feel like her already, she's not suddenly making people hate fat people or red heads.
Penfolds_place
31-01-2015
Originally Posted by Pete_Lashmar:
“During the 80's and 90's there was a huge swing in favour of banning any kind of punishment - the cane and the slipper were banned in schools, children were given a lot more rights & parents were arrested if children were smacked.

Schools were no longer able to punish a child, even a detention required a days notice by letter, so schools became very unruley and the children became wise to it.

This lead to one thing - children and teenagers became unpunishable and knew they could do or say just about anything and no one could really do much about it.

Those children and teenagers are now parents and the next generation are growing up in a world where celebrity & the glamor industry are attainable and encouraged and where they have so many rights that they feel, again untouchable.

Society is so different now to when I was at school, where you behaved because the repercussions were unthinkable, where my mum and dad could give me a slap around the legs.

Language has also changed, people swear so much more now, it's all over the TV, sex is on every billboard and on TV and in the media and of course the internet gives people information on anything they want.

And yet people still think that Katie Hopkins is a concern.”

Every generation looks back and thinks things were so much better when they were kids.

Take the quote below:

"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers."

Accredited to Socrates 469–399 BC by Plato
Pete_Lashmar
31-01-2015
Originally Posted by Penfolds_place:
“Every generation looks back and thinks things were so much better when they were kids.

Take the quote below:

"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers."

Accredited to Socrates 469–399 BC by Plato ”

Oh for sure, oh the days when we sent kids down the mines and up the chimneys
Bacon&Eggs
31-01-2015
Originally Posted by Gnomsie:
“Whilst I don't believe KH is the reason for kids name calling, that's been a feature of playgrounds since playgrounds began, hasn't it? I do believe that her behaviour reinforces it.
It's becoming ok to name call and offend, because it's just 'being honest'. People are offending others without much thought about the anguish it could cause, there's no brain/mouth filter.”

It's natural, biologically speaking, for human beings to seek out similarities and to treat as a foe those who are different i believe. It's nurture from a desent society, which overcomes that redundent aspect of human nature. We are talking about parental nurture, education, and societal nurture. KH is a throw back to the neanderthals.
James_Barker1
31-01-2015
People should stop blaming tv shows for their own bad parenting especially a show not aimed at kids and after the watershed.
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