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Old 11-03-2015, 17:38
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Why does it matter? Because the world is fickle. People have no long term interest in anything anymore. If an artist in the calibre of Madonna creates a great record but no one seems bothered to buy it, then what incentive is there for these artists to continue in the future? It is important that the album does well, getting a number one is good for the fans, good for the artist and good for the music industry in general. Sam Smith is hardly likely to be getting success in the way he is now in five years time is he? I for one like to see older artists, not just Madonna. getting success in the album charts. It proves people still want to buy their music. If success is not forthcoming in the charts, then the inclination to continue diminishes. It would be very sad if these artists just stopped making music because the worlds population have attention spans of a goldfish and are interested in an artist for just five minutes before they go on to the next phase.
You seriously believe that Madonna will care about chart position? that if she doesn't chart highly enough she will stop? If anything to an artist like Madonna having the career she has had...she probably is bored with Rebel Heart album now and moving on to another project, namely the upcoming tour.
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Old 11-03-2015, 17:45
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You seriously believe that Madonna will care about chart position? that if she doesn't chart highly enough she will stop? If anything to an artist like Madonna having the career she has had...she probably is bored with Rebel Heart album now and moving on to another project, namely the upcoming tour.
I don't think he was talking about Madonna specifically. Of course she will always continue making albums because she's a superstar. But what about older artists who aren't at her level? When their record do poorly, they give up on the idea of making new ones and just do endless greatest hits tours.
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Old 11-03-2015, 17:45
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Is Madonna #1 in the midweeks?
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Old 11-03-2015, 17:49
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You seriously believe that Madonna will care about chart position? that if she doesn't chart highly enough she will stop? If anything to an artist like Madonna having the career she has had...she probably is bored with Rebel Heart album now and moving on to another project, namely the upcoming tour.
Madonna is certainly interested in being on top of the charts. Of course she is. But, I was talking about older artists in general. Not just Madonna.
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Old 11-03-2015, 17:56
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Is Madonna #1 in the midweeks?
Yes. At least for now.
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Old 11-03-2015, 18:13
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The first day sales for MDNA were 33,000, and it ended the week with sales of 56,000.

If Rebel Heart follows the same trajectory, it will end the week on sales of 35,000 or thereabouts.

Sam Smith sold 33,274 copies of his album last week.

It's gonna be close. Or it might not be if Sam Smith receives a huge boost in sales due to Comic Relief and Mothers Day.
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Old 11-03-2015, 18:21
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The first day sales for MDNA were 33,000, and it ended the week with sales of 56,000.

If Rebel Heart follows the same trajectory, it will end the week on sales of 35,000 or thereabouts.

Sam Smith sold 33,274 copies of his album last week.

It's gonna be close. Or it might not be if Sam Smith receives a huge boost in sales due to Comic Relief and Mothers Day.
Yes, I've already accepted that Madonna will be at number 2 next week. Although the boost for Mother's Day is likely to be Saturday for Sam Smith and there are still some selling to do. Rebel Heart should have been released in the UK last Friday at the same time as everywhere else in Europe. How many people actually know it's released though other than Madonna fans?

Don't forget though, Sam smith sold more albums last week because of the Brits promotion. He hasn't sold that many in a week for some time.
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Old 11-03-2015, 18:21
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The first day sales for MDNA were 33,000, and it ended the week with sales of 56,000.

If Rebel Heart follows the same trajectory, it will end the week on sales of 35,000 or thereabouts.

Sam Smith sold 33,274 copies of his album last week.

It's gonna be close. Or it might not be if Sam Smith receives a huge boost in sales due to Comic Relief and Mothers Day.
I think he might snatch it. His new song is #1 on iTunes at the moment and his album his perfect for the older lady.
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Old 11-03-2015, 18:24
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I think Madonna will get it but I bet its super close. Quite exciting to have a chart battle like this. Nothing this interesting has happened for ages.
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Old 11-03-2015, 18:28
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I think Madonna will get it but I bet its super close. Quite exciting to have a chart battle like this. Nothing this interesting has happened for ages.
I hope you're right. But Madonna should theoretically be miles ahead. It's meant to be one of the most anticipated albums for 2015. It should be on around 50K minimum by now.
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Old 11-03-2015, 18:29
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I'll be so annoyed if Sam Smith gets to number 1, I wouldn't mind if it was someone I thought deserved it, but he gets on my nerves.
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Old 11-03-2015, 18:34
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I hope you're right. But Madonna should theoretically be miles ahead. It's meant to be one of the most anticipated albums for 2015. It should be on around 50K minimum by now.
Thing is she is 56 and for some reason people hate this fact. I've never seen her garner such a negative reaction from people in this way since 1993 so I think you have to be realistic about it. The UK is going through an out of love with Madonna phase at the moment. It will pass eventually but for now she just has to ride it out.

Madonna really doesn't have anything left to prove. How many other females over 50 are selling like she is? There is only Barbra Streisand who can manage it but that's because she appeals to an entirely different market. It pains me to say this but pop is a young persons world. Madonna will always have those who support her but picking up new fans who are under 21 who will send her soaring to the top of the charts just isn't going to happen.
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Old 11-03-2015, 18:35
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I'll be so annoyed if Sam Smith gets to number 1, I wouldn't mind if it was someone I thought deserved it, but he gets on my nerves.
Yeah, if it was Coldplay, or Paul McCartney, or Barbra Streisand or even Kelly Clarkson I wouldn't be so bothered. But Sam fuc*ing Smith? He has as much charisma as a deflated helium balloon and about as much talent as my cat's litter tray. Take away his management and his mediocre performance and what have you got left?
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Old 11-03-2015, 18:37
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Thing is she is 56 and for some reason people hate this fact. I've never seen her garner such a negative reaction from people in this way since 1993 so I think you have to be realistic about it. The UK is going through an out of love with Madonna phase at the moment. It will pass eventually but for now she just has to ride it out.

Madonna really doesn't have anything left to prove. How many other females over 50 are selling like she is? There is only Barbra Streisand who can manage it but that's because she appeals to an entirely different market. It pains me to say this but pop is a young persons world. Madonna will always have those who support her but picking up new fans who are under 21 who will send her soaring to the top of the charts just isn't going to happen.
I don't disagree with you, but there are more than 25,000 Madonna fans in the UK. Why aren't they buying her album?
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Old 11-03-2015, 18:43
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I don't disagree with you, but there are more than 25,000 Madonna fans in the UK. Why aren't they buying her album?
Well it could be the leak. Maybe that impacted things more than we realised.

Wasn't MDNA the most illegally downloaded album of 2012 with over 2 million lost sales? and that didn't even leak.
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Old 11-03-2015, 18:50
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In US chart news, HDD is predicting that it's a 3-way battle between Madonna, Empire soundtrack, and Luke Bryan. They are predicting she will sell around 115-125k (including streaming). Actual sales are around 100k-110k and as far as I know, this does include the tour bundle and pre-orders. This would make it her lowest selling studio album ever in the US.

Empire (Turn First/Columbia) 115-125k (90-100k sales)
Madonna (Live Nation/Interscope) 115-125k (100-110k sales)
Luke Bryan (Capitol Nashville) 95-105k (85-95k sales)

MDNA debuted with 359,000 copies it's first week (185k from the ticket bundle).
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Old 11-03-2015, 18:52
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I don't disagree with you, but there are more than 25,000 Madonna fans in the UK. Why aren't they buying her album?
Maybe that the fans are a little bit older, and getting the album on release day/week/month isn't seen as the priority it once was, they will probably pick it up eventually.
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Old 11-03-2015, 19:02
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In US chart news, HDD is predicting that it's a 3-way battle between Madonna, Empire soundtrack, and Luke Bryan. They are predicting she will sell around 115-125k (including streaming). Actual sales are around 100k-110k and as far as I know, this does include the tour bundle and pre-orders. This would make it her lowest selling studio album ever in the US.

Empire (Turn First/Columbia) 115-125k (90-100k sales)
Madonna (Live Nation/Interscope) 115-125k (100-110k sales)
Luke Bryan (Capitol Nashville) 95-105k (85-95k sales)

MDNA debuted with 359,000 copies it's first week (185k from the ticket bundle).
Well, album sales are generally lower than they were a couple of years ago, but it must be disappointing for her and her team, however, promotion in the US is on full throttle next week as she is appearing on Ellen Degeneres each night plus she is performing on a radio awards ceremony live so that should in theory bring in a bit more interest. I am just surprised at how badly the album is doing considering how damn good it is.

Next time she records a record, she needs to keep bloody quiet about it. No instagram teasers. no reveals as to who she is working with, no nothing. Keep it a huge surprise. No pre-releases some three months before either. no confusion as to what version is best - just ONE for all with perhaps a deluxe version coming later. The people responsible for releasing her albums should ask Warner for some advice. They at least knew what they were doing.
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Old 11-03-2015, 19:04
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Maybe that the fans are a little bit older, and getting the album on release day/week/month isn't seen as the priority it once was, they will probably pick it up eventually.
Yes, that's a possibility. Another is the virtual non-existance of record stores and the outlets that are selling the albums such as Supermarkets, are not selling the version that people want. Perhaps releasing a 14 track standard is harming the albums success too?
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Old 11-03-2015, 19:07
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Yes, that's a possibility. Another is the virtual non-existance of record stores and the outlets that are selling the albums such as Supermarkets, are not selling the version that people want. Perhaps releasing a 14 track standard is harming the albums success too?
I think releasing 3 editions of the album was silly. The 19-track should have been the standard and the super deluxe should have been just the deluxe.
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Old 11-03-2015, 19:21
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I think releasing 3 editions of the album was silly. The 19-track should have been the standard and the super deluxe should have been just the deluxe.
In France it is reported she has sold only 17,000 copies of the album. I now think she should have released the album much sooner. The songs have likely been downloaded by many since early February and interest has been lost. Such a shame.
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Old 11-03-2015, 19:30
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In France it is reported she has sold only 17,000 copies of the album. I now think she should have released the album much sooner. The songs have likely been downloaded by many since early February and interest has been lost. Such a shame.
The problem in France was that she only had 3 days of sales in their charting week. She should have just waited until the new chart week in France began to release it there. Her team really screwed up the release dates this era.
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Old 11-03-2015, 19:38
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I don't think The Brits performance did her any favours.
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Old 11-03-2015, 21:02
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Such a shame really, her best album in years, I hope this whole mess doesn't dishearten her.
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Old 11-03-2015, 21:11
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Such a shame really, her best album in years, I hope this whole mess doesn't dishearten her.
She has appeared in no UK TV show prior to the album release to actually say she has an album out. It is hard, unless you spend time on the internet, to follow album releases these days. It probably won't dishearten her too much though as her tour is likely to sell well and she may still get the UK number 1 yet. She might also get the US number 1 too, but maybe next week after her Ellen appearances.
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