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I've often wondered where Madonna would be now if Warner just let her be. Hard Candy is and will always be the biggest **** up in her career for me. It was total bandwagon jumping and was two years out of date by the time it was released. It was the first time she ever allowed her eye to be taken off the ball.
Ray of Light, Music, American Life and Confessions are all pretty timeless. ROL in particular sounds as current now as ever. But HC really does stick out like a sore thumb. |
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Yeah Hard Candy has dated really badly. That's the problem with R&B its constantly progressing as a genre so changes all the time. That Timbaland sound was pretty much a sound of the mid 00s and that's it. Just like DarkChild's signature hook pretty much was the late 90s/early 00s. Even The First Album sounds more current than Hard Candy.
Madonna mentioned on Ellen she wanted Rebel Heart to be a two sided album. That would have been ideal and captured the feel of the album perfectly. It strikes me as odd they didn't allow her to do that. I can see Madonna walking away from Interscope once her deal with them is over. She might just end up releasing all her stuff via Boy Toy from now on. |
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Madonna mentioned on Ellen she wanted Rebel Heart to be a two sided album. That would have been ideal and captured the feel of the album perfectly. It strikes me as odd they didn't allow her to do that. I can see Madonna walking away from Interscope once her deal with them is over. She might just end up releasing all her stuff via Boy Toy from now on. |
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I like the album the way it is. I would not have liked all of the Rebel and the Heart song to be together on one side. I like how mixed up the album is. To me to have all slow serious songs in a row and then all fun sexy songs in a row would be dull. The record company was right on this point. Listening to it is like a playlist of different genres which is how I listen to music anyway. The record is like life in that one minute you are sad, the next you are laughing and having fun. Record companies get a bad rap sometimes. Sometimes they are right about stuff and the artist isn't.
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Yeah Hard Candy has dated really badly. That's the problem with R&B its constantly progressing as a genre so changes all the time. That Timbaland sound was pretty much a sound of the mid 00s and that's it. Just like DarkChild's signature hook pretty much was the late 90s/early 00s. Even The First Album sounds more current than Hard Candy.
Madonna mentioned on Ellen she wanted Rebel Heart to be a two sided album. That would have been ideal and captured the feel of the album perfectly. It strikes me as odd they didn't allow her to do that. I can see Madonna walking away from Interscope once her deal with them is over. She might just end up releasing all her stuff via Boy Toy from now on. Hard Candy is very similar to MDNA in that there are some great songs totally overwhelmed by the filler. Devil Wouldn't recognise you is awesome and should totally been the 2nd single. Same as Love Spent. But then you wonder why she put something like Incredible on there...just awful. |
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Absolutely love the Ghosttown performance at the iHearts Awards with Taylor Swift playing the guitar. A few bump notes in the verse but once again so full of emotion and hopefully will give the song a bit of a chart boost.
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Agree. Madonna is killing it this era
Taylor is the biggest popstar in the world right now and she was humble enough to just play guitar for Madonna!
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I like the album the way it is. I would not have liked all of the Rebel and the Heart song to be together on one side. I like how mixed up the album is. To me to have all slow serious songs in a row and then all fun sexy songs in a row would be dull. The record company was right on this point. Listening to it is like a playlist of different genres which is how I listen to music anyway. The record is like life in that one minute you are sad, the next you are laughing and having fun. Record companies get a bad rap sometimes. Sometimes they are right about stuff and the artist isn't.
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I love the 19 track album and think it's perfect as is it. I initially figured that so many tracks would result in plenty of filler and result in Madonna overload (if that's even possible!), but I genuinely don't think that's the case.
Whilst I understand the thought behind having two seperate CDs, I think the right choice was made to combine the two. The only track I don't love is 'Body Shop', and even then I wouldn't class it as filler. It's just not a sound i'm fussed on. |
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Apparently there are strong rumours going around that Madonna will be headlining Glastonburry? I hope it's true.
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Apparently there are strong rumours going around that Madonna will be headlining Glastonburry? I hope it's true.
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Apparently there are strong rumours going around that Madonna will be headlining Glastonburry? I hope it's true.
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How many copies has Madonna's Rebel Heart sold so far in France ?
https://francemusiccharts.wordpress....-albums-chart/ |
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How many copies has Madonna's Rebel Heart sold so far in France ?
https://francemusiccharts.wordpress....-albums-chart/
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How many copies has Madonna's Rebel Heart sold so far in France ?
https://francemusiccharts.wordpress....-albums-chart/ |
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Madge interview coming up on Jo Whiley show on R2 now if anyone's interested.
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Anyone listened to that God awful remix of Ghosttown that's on the DS main page? Jeez!
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Anyone listened to that God awful remix of Ghosttown that's on the DS main page? Jeez!
I miss the olden days when some of her remixes practically turned her tracks into new songs (the William Orbit mix of Erotica for example is better than the original IMO!)
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IMO Madonna's time is up now hasn't produced anything decent in years
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It's terrible isn't it! Madonna used to have some amazing remixes for her singles, that's one of the reasons I wasn't too bothered that her singles usually just contained remixes. But since Confessions - apart from the odd few - they have all been pretty naff.
I miss the olden days when some of her remixes practically turned her tracks into new songs (the William Orbit mix of Erotica for example is better than the original IMO!) ![]() |
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IMO Madonna's time is up now hasn't produced anything decent in years
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Have you hear the new album because it has a lot of variety on it? I really can't imagine someone not enjoying at least some of the songs. Or are you just saying that because that's what the media tells you to think?
Which I agree with. I'm still not bored of it. Ghosttown video will debut next week! |
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It's terrible isn't it! Madonna used to have some amazing remixes for her singles, that's one of the reasons I wasn't too bothered that her singles usually just contained remixes. But since Confessions - apart from the odd few - they have all been pretty naff.
I miss the olden days when some of her remixes practically turned her tracks into new songs (the William Orbit mix of Erotica for example is better than the original IMO!) ![]() |
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IMO Madonna's time is up now hasn't produced anything decent in years
And prior to this what are your top 3 madonna songs? |
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IMO Madonna's time is up now hasn't produced anything decent in years
I believe the reason that RH no longer "wows" me is because the songs in their majority, do not feel or sound like properly, clever crafted songs, the sort that Madonna is renowned for. Listen to "Frozen" or even "Nothing Fails" and then listen to "Hold Tight" or HeartBreakCity and you will notice what I mean. HeartBreakCity suffers greatly from being just 3'33" when in demo form it is well over 4 minutes long and actually sounds more epic because of it. It isn't that Madonna hasn't produced anything decent, it's more that she no longer needs to nor desires to. She is far more misguided and deluded these days as to what she thinks her fans want her to do than she ever was before. I blame social media for that. Her instagram messages are often embarrassing. Take a look at the album's credits to see what I mean about how little input she has had on the album, and it is telling that the strongest songs on the album are the ones where she is primarily responsible for, which are very few. http://drownedmadonna.com/madonnas-r...tidal/20150402 It has nothing to do with chart positions, a good Madonna album is a good Madonna album regardless. But we mustn't pretend that Madonna is such a genius and she is responsible for what happens on her records. She used to be, big time, but not now. Perhaps other lifelong fans have noticed to which is why people are less interested in her new stuff than they once more. When she is working with just a handful of people (as she was right up to Confessions), she produced masterpieces. It can not be a coincidence that her her success has wavered since then when others have basically taken the reins. |
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Taylor is the biggest popstar in the world right now and she was humble enough to just play guitar for Madonna!