Originally Posted by Gigi4:
“How do you come to that conclusion? Madonna is credited as a songwriter on every one of the songs. It's your right to not like the album, but I don't think it's fair to say that she had no input into writing or producing the songs or say that she is taking credit for other people's work. You can't tell from credits how much input she had or didn't have unless you were there in the studio. Madonna has always worked with and been influenced by other people. Confessions had a lot of input from Stuart Price, American Life from Mirwais and Music from Mirwais, William Orbit and Guy Sigsworth. Just because you personally don't like the album, I think it's wrong for you to basically accuse her of plagarizing other people's work. Just because you personally don't like something doesn't mean Madonna wasn't involved in it. She said in many interviews she changed some of the songs after the leak. So it was her choice to do that.
Just because she is working with more people doesn't mean she's not in control of how her music sounds. Especially on this album, where we all saw pictures of her in the studio with the co-writers like Mozella writing the songs. Why not just say this record isn't to your taste which is fine, instead of accusing Madonna of being lazy and not focused and basically stealing other people's work which I think is totally unfair which you have zero evidence for.
Nowhere on those credits does it even show the production credits so where do you get that she had no input into the production? She usually co-producers her songs with other people.
I really don't understand where you get from the credits she had little involvement in the music?
Clearly, you became attached to the demos and are upset she changed them. That's why she hated they leaked out because she feared that will happen.
Maybe it's time for you to move on to other artists since you don't like her new music. But she is in control of her sound, whether you like it or not.”
Why take things so personally? On most songs, Madonna's name appears in the middle of the list, and on some at the end. The primary contributors are creditted first. I have never said she is plaglarising other people's work - that is an entirely different thing. I said that she is taking more credit for the songs on RH than she is entitled to.
Madonna's input into songs on her past three album has been far less than what came before. I am well aware of how she works. Like a Prayer was her first album where her lyrics would solely be primary. She wrote the lyrics to each song. This continued right the way up to Confessions. She was able to. She was in control. She worked with just a maximum of three people at a time and created solely original, well structured songs. They felt like Madonna songs. She relied on her co-writers to add the main melody whilst she would sing melodies for them to include. These songs had three people maximum involved.
During True Blue she was offered La Isla Bonita by Pat Leonard because Michael Jackson turned it down. She stripped it bare and she and Bruce Gaitsch re-worked it entirely to make it her own.
Nowadays that doesn't happen. How can you have 8 people writing one song and then claim she has overall control in her music? If you read exactly what I said originally, you will notice I confirmed that "it is telling that the best songs on the album are the ones where she had the greatest amount of input".
I'm not particularly upset that she changed the demos because of the leaks. But she did make some misjudged choices in those changes. How anyone can say HeartBreakCity is better in its chopped version is beyond me.
I have no desire to change my choice of favourite artist. It will always be Madonna. Not necessarily for her music, because I find myself becoming more disappointed in that each time she releases something, but because of who she is and what she means to me as a strong headed individual. I have also said (but this point gets ignored over and over again) that I think there are some cracking songs on the album. Since she has released the songwriting credits, it has pleased me to learn that the songs I really like are the ones that she had the greatest input. Joan of Arc for example.