When did this descent, into low life behaviour being considered entertainment, actually begin? Why do they have to have such nasty juvenile story lines every time. Has it been since Channel 5 took the show on? What was wrong with the old and very unique format, with live feed to enable the viewer to see the reality. This is now down there with the lowest of the low of TV shows, including the utter trash that is BOTS. We are shown a few minutes of selected clips to fit the dire story of the series. That has also been reduced by making the eviction show 60 minutes long and trashy BOTS 90 minutes long on a Friday.
BB. Bullying and grim, virtually humour free, "story lines".
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Originally Posted by anne_666:
“When did this descent, into low life behaviour being considered entertainment, actually begin? Why do they have to have such nasty juvenile story lines every time. Has it been since Channel 5 took the show on? What was wrong with the old and very unique format, with live feed to enable the viewer to see the reality. This is now down there with the lowest of the low of TV shows, including the trash that is and BOTS.”
“When did this descent, into low life behaviour being considered entertainment, actually begin? Why do they have to have such nasty juvenile story lines every time. Has it been since Channel 5 took the show on? What was wrong with the old and very unique format, with live feed to enable the viewer to see the reality. This is now down there with the lowest of the low of TV shows, including the trash that is and BOTS.”
I agree anne, I stopped watching for two years but have now accepted the BB we knew is long gone. This new take on a wonderful old format is horrible, but strangely compelling at time.
I'v watched because it's CBB but won't be watching the civilian one this year. Helen Wood winning was the final nail in the proverbial coffin.
Sadly grotesque Katie Hopkins will win this one as well. Seems only nasties triumph.
Yes quite depressing some days now. Trouble is they see ratings went up when we had original fight night and have been IMO trying to recreate that ever since.
Originally Posted by Scarlett Berry:
“I agree anne, I stopped watching for two years but have now accepted the BB we knew is long gone. This new take on a wonderful old format is horrible, but strangely compelling at time.
I'v watched because it's CBB but won't be watching the civilian one this year. Helen Wood winning was the final nail in the proverbial coffin. Sadly grotesque Katie Hopkins will win this one as well. Seems only nasties triumph.”
“I agree anne, I stopped watching for two years but have now accepted the BB we knew is long gone. This new take on a wonderful old format is horrible, but strangely compelling at time.
I'v watched because it's CBB but won't be watching the civilian one this year. Helen Wood winning was the final nail in the proverbial coffin.
Sadly grotesque Katie Hopkins will win this one as well. Seems only nasties triumph.”
BIB I'm sad to say I'm reaching that conclusion too. Haven't enjoyed this CBB at all and this combined with last summer's debacle is killing my BB addiction.
I guess from C5's perspective, viewing figures for this CBB are good so maybe this is what their target audience want.
I gave up on civilian BB after BB7 as I realised it was going in a direction I didn't like. I still dip in and out but don't invest any time or effort into getting to know anyone.
CBB has always been a bit different because it was usually only about 3 weeks and full of people I vaguely knew. It was more about the desperation on the has beens, wannabes and never will be's and it always had a fun element the regular BB had lost.
The last few years though, it's gone downhill and got more and more nasty. It seems to be more about pitching people against each other and manufacturing conflict for the sake of headlines than about really seeing how people mix.
I missed a lot of the summer one as I was on holiday for half of it so never got invested. I wasn't going to watch this year but enjoyed the first week but think this could be it for me. I'm too old for this sh*t
CBB has always been a bit different because it was usually only about 3 weeks and full of people I vaguely knew. It was more about the desperation on the has beens, wannabes and never will be's and it always had a fun element the regular BB had lost.
The last few years though, it's gone downhill and got more and more nasty. It seems to be more about pitching people against each other and manufacturing conflict for the sake of headlines than about really seeing how people mix.
I missed a lot of the summer one as I was on holiday for half of it so never got invested. I wasn't going to watch this year but enjoyed the first week but think this could be it for me. I'm too old for this sh*t
I think people should keep in mind that Endemol make Big Brother, not C4 or C5.
C4 scrapped it because they felt it had been on 10 years and thought it needed resting, and then Channel 5 did a new deal.
Endemol are fiercely protective of the show - right from the start they turned a blind eye to any real controversy, choosing to ignore it rather than have an open discussion about it.
Since this series of CBB, not one HM evicted has been asked about any of the people that left, Endemol thinks it's OK to show things on screen, but not discuss it afterwards, and BBLB, BOTS etc are always happy happy time, never a genuine review of what's going on.
This is the first series I've seen on C5 and yes, it's very aggressive, but does anyone really know what the HM will bring once they've been chosen?
C4 scrapped it because they felt it had been on 10 years and thought it needed resting, and then Channel 5 did a new deal.
Endemol are fiercely protective of the show - right from the start they turned a blind eye to any real controversy, choosing to ignore it rather than have an open discussion about it.
Since this series of CBB, not one HM evicted has been asked about any of the people that left, Endemol thinks it's OK to show things on screen, but not discuss it afterwards, and BBLB, BOTS etc are always happy happy time, never a genuine review of what's going on.
This is the first series I've seen on C5 and yes, it's very aggressive, but does anyone really know what the HM will bring once they've been chosen?
Originally Posted by anne_666:
“When did this descent, into low life behaviour being considered entertainment, actually begin? Why do they have to have such nasty juvenile story lines every time. Has it been since Channel 5 took the show on? What was wrong with the old and very unique format, with live feed to enable the viewer to see the reality. This is now down there with the lowest of the low of TV shows, including the utter trash that is BOTS. We are shown a few minutes of selected clips to fit the dire story of the series. That has also been reduced by making the eviction show 60 minutes long and trashy BOTS 90 minutes long on a Friday.”
“When did this descent, into low life behaviour being considered entertainment, actually begin? Why do they have to have such nasty juvenile story lines every time. Has it been since Channel 5 took the show on? What was wrong with the old and very unique format, with live feed to enable the viewer to see the reality. This is now down there with the lowest of the low of TV shows, including the utter trash that is BOTS. We are shown a few minutes of selected clips to fit the dire story of the series. That has also been reduced by making the eviction show 60 minutes long and trashy BOTS 90 minutes long on a Friday.”
I am happy having made the decision not to watch anymore after reading this forum. It's not BB anymore and after that awful Helen winning in the summer, I just had to let it go. I haven't really watched this CBB but I am sure it will be hard for me come the summer but I won't change my mind unless they change this Towie format they have going on at the moment.
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“I am happy having made the decision not to watch anymore after reading this forum. It's not BB anymore and after that awful Helen winning in the summer, I just had to let it go. I haven't really watched this CBB but I am sure it will be hard for me come the summer but I won't change my mind unless they change this Towie format they have going on at the moment.”
“I am happy having made the decision not to watch anymore after reading this forum. It's not BB anymore and after that awful Helen winning in the summer, I just had to let it go. I haven't really watched this CBB but I am sure it will be hard for me come the summer but I won't change my mind unless they change this Towie format they have going on at the moment.”
I can put up with the arguments, it's the vote count that bothers me, Helen Wood winning made no sense. Is it accurate? And do betting syndicates have any effect on the result?
Originally Posted by anne_666:
“When did this descent, into low life behaviour being considered entertainment, actually begin? Why do they have to have such nasty juvenile story lines every time. Has it been since Channel 5 took the show on? What was wrong with the old and very unique format, with live feed to enable the viewer to see the reality. This is now down there with the lowest of the low of TV shows, including the utter trash that is BOTS. We are shown a few minutes of selected clips to fit the dire story of the series. That has also been reduced by making the eviction show 60 minutes long and trashy BOTS 90 minutes long on a Friday.”
“When did this descent, into low life behaviour being considered entertainment, actually begin? Why do they have to have such nasty juvenile story lines every time. Has it been since Channel 5 took the show on? What was wrong with the old and very unique format, with live feed to enable the viewer to see the reality. This is now down there with the lowest of the low of TV shows, including the utter trash that is BOTS. We are shown a few minutes of selected clips to fit the dire story of the series. That has also been reduced by making the eviction show 60 minutes long and trashy BOTS 90 minutes long on a Friday.”
I have accepted that the show we now watch has evolved from the BB of old - for better or worse.
I don't necessarily like everything that the evolution process has done to the show, but I can see why they've done what they have. First and foremost, they're making a telly show and just like all of the rest of them, being happy with the viewers you have isn't going to cut it. The drive is always to try and attract new viewers.
People keep blaming C5 for everything that ails the show as it currently is, completely overlooking all the atrocities that were perpetrated when it was on C4. Like someone has already said, the show is made by exactly the same company so any complaints should be directed at them.
And NOT OFCOM
It's certainly not the show it used to be. I've only watched a couple, including this one, since C5 took over, but they seem to force the show far more than C4 did, or maybe that would have happened anyway. They throw in two or three dominant characters that they are pretty sure will clash, then pad the show out with incidentals. They then manipulate the show to the 9th degree and only televise the ugliest scenes, which of course are heavily edited. Without live feed we have no option but to judge people on what we're force fed.
The celebrities that they can attract are the scrapings from the bottom of the barrel, the civilians are au fait with the programme and have probably studied it on some Vocational course, and the rule seems to be 'the more uncouth the better'.
We're never going to get the innocence of the programme back, and we're never going to get live feed back. I think in future I'll stick to IAC where they still seem to be able to attract some decent names and it's more of a level playing field.
The celebrities that they can attract are the scrapings from the bottom of the barrel, the civilians are au fait with the programme and have probably studied it on some Vocational course, and the rule seems to be 'the more uncouth the better'.
We're never going to get the innocence of the programme back, and we're never going to get live feed back
. I think in future I'll stick to IAC where they still seem to be able to attract some decent names and it's more of a level playing field.
Originally Posted by Pete_Lashmar:
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This is the first series I've seen on C5 and yes, it's very aggressive, but does anyone really know what the HM will bring once they've been chosen?”
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This is the first series I've seen on C5 and yes, it's very aggressive, but does anyone really know what the HM will bring once they've been chosen?”
Excellent point. I'm sure there have been other 'aggressive series' of both BB and CBB. Certainly BB5 springs to mind.
A lot depends on how the housemates interact in that confined space, and much as we might like to think there is a conspiracy to make something more aggressive, I tend to think it plays out how it will according to human interaction / transaction.
In other words, it's not that predictable how housemates will behave. For instance, some thought KH and Michelle would not get on, they do. Some thought KP would stir things up, she hasn't.
In my opinion, people are anything but predictable in high stress situations such as BB, which is kind of why I choose to still watch..
Originally Posted by Pete_Lashmar:
“I think people should keep in mind that Endemol make Big Brother, not C4 or C5.
C4 scrapped it because they felt it had been on 10 years and thought it needed resting, and then Channel 5 did a new deal.
Endemol are fiercely protective of the show - right from the start they turned a blind eye to any real controversy, choosing to ignore it rather than have an open discussion about it.
Since this series of CBB, not one HM evicted has been asked about any of the people that left, Endemol thinks it's OK to show things on screen, but not discuss it afterwards, and BBLB, BOTS etc are always happy happy time, never a genuine review of what's going on.
This is the first series I've seen on C5 and yes, it's very aggressive, but does anyone really know what the HM will bring once they've been chosen?”
“I think people should keep in mind that Endemol make Big Brother, not C4 or C5.
C4 scrapped it because they felt it had been on 10 years and thought it needed resting, and then Channel 5 did a new deal.
Endemol are fiercely protective of the show - right from the start they turned a blind eye to any real controversy, choosing to ignore it rather than have an open discussion about it.
Since this series of CBB, not one HM evicted has been asked about any of the people that left, Endemol thinks it's OK to show things on screen, but not discuss it afterwards, and BBLB, BOTS etc are always happy happy time, never a genuine review of what's going on.
This is the first series I've seen on C5 and yes, it's very aggressive, but does anyone really know what the HM will bring once they've been chosen?”
It's so over controlled. One of my points is, how do we really know what any HM brings? We get probably just over an hour a day to fit the chosen storyline, if you add on their website clips and BOTS clips. There is little approaching reality now and it's not a rounded show any longer. It's a shadow and a mockery of it's unique former self.
Its turned into a bit of a negative show, booing, arguments etc. Its why Im a Celeb is still so popular, they have arguments but they focus on fun too and the show is treated as a bit of fun and a laugh, nothing serious and not a place to be confrontational.
I totally agree with the OP.....Last night we had about 30 mns viewing of the previous 24hrs.....if you take out all the Yakkin the Adverts and the eviction......Then we suffered 90 mns of BBOTS....which was absolute Rubbish with the exception of Eamonn Holmes who really told it how it was IMO.....
Originally Posted by vald:
“It's certainly not the show it used to be. I've only watched a couple, including this one, since C5 took over, but they seem to force the show far more than C4 did, or maybe that would have happened anyway. They throw in two or three dominant characters that they are pretty sure will clash, then pad the show out with incidentals. They then manipulate the show to the 9th degree and only televise the ugliest scenes, which of course are heavily edited. Without live feed we have no option but to judge people on what we're force fed.
The celebrities that they can attract are the scrapings from the bottom of the barrel, the civilians are au fait with the programme and have probably studied it on some Vocational course, and the rule seems to be 'the more uncouth the better'.
We're never going to get the innocence of the programme back, and we're never going to get live feed back. I think in future I'll stick to IAC where they still seem to be able to attract some decent names and it's more of a level playing field.”
“It's certainly not the show it used to be. I've only watched a couple, including this one, since C5 took over, but they seem to force the show far more than C4 did, or maybe that would have happened anyway. They throw in two or three dominant characters that they are pretty sure will clash, then pad the show out with incidentals. They then manipulate the show to the 9th degree and only televise the ugliest scenes, which of course are heavily edited. Without live feed we have no option but to judge people on what we're force fed.
The celebrities that they can attract are the scrapings from the bottom of the barrel, the civilians are au fait with the programme and have probably studied it on some Vocational course, and the rule seems to be 'the more uncouth the better'.
We're never going to get the innocence of the programme back, and we're never going to get live feed back
. I think in future I'll stick to IAC where they still seem to be able to attract some decent names and it's more of a level playing field.”
BIB - really? I always thought IAC attracts really rubbish celebrities for how big of a show it is. I think CBB over the years has had far more known/bigger celebrities than IAC. For example, I knew almost the entire cast of CBB this series vs. just a couple for IAC.
Originally Posted by Bunions:
“I have accepted that the show we now watch has evolved from the BB of old - for better or worse.
I don't necessarily like everything that the evolution process has done to the show, but I can see why they've done what they have. First and foremost, they're making a telly show and just like all of the rest of them, being happy with the viewers you have isn't going to cut it. The drive is always to try and attract new viewers.
People keep blaming C5 for everything that ails the show as it currently is, completely overlooking all the atrocities that were perpetrated when it was on C4. Like someone has already said, the show is made by exactly the same company so any complaints should be directed at them.
And NOT OFCOM”
“I have accepted that the show we now watch has evolved from the BB of old - for better or worse.
I don't necessarily like everything that the evolution process has done to the show, but I can see why they've done what they have. First and foremost, they're making a telly show and just like all of the rest of them, being happy with the viewers you have isn't going to cut it. The drive is always to try and attract new viewers.
People keep blaming C5 for everything that ails the show as it currently is, completely overlooking all the atrocities that were perpetrated when it was on C4. Like someone has already said, the show is made by exactly the same company so any complaints should be directed at them.
And NOT OFCOM
”
I mourn the loss of the whole experience and what it is now isn't for me. Yes they try to attract new viewers but have lost many who loved the unique and far better show it was. With live feed, at least it wasn't constant misery and was far more real and rounded. The main show was a secondary feature back then for me. I'm so sick of the misery and bullying for a few minutes each day. I got my summer back when they dropped live feed
Originally Posted by JVS:
“I can put up with the arguments, it's the vote count that bothers me, Helen Wood winning made no sense. Is it accurate? And do betting syndicates have any effect on the result?”
“I can put up with the arguments, it's the vote count that bothers me, Helen Wood winning made no sense. Is it accurate? And do betting syndicates have any effect on the result?”
I could possibly put up with a few disagreements/arguments because they are part of real life if only they were allowed to happen naturally but most of the time BB sets them up.
I suspect it was a combination of a betting scam and those horrible exhm friends of hers voting for her, I didn't know anyone who liked her it was just madness.
Originally Posted by boshealecta:
“Its turned into a bit of a negative show, booing, arguments etc. Its why Im a Celeb is still so popular, they have arguments but they focus on fun too and the show is treated as a bit of fun and a laugh, nothing serious and not a place to be confrontational.”
“Its turned into a bit of a negative show, booing, arguments etc. Its why Im a Celeb is still so popular, they have arguments but they focus on fun too and the show is treated as a bit of fun and a laugh, nothing serious and not a place to be confrontational.”
I agree, I now prefer IAC, as you say it is fun and you can laugh at it.
Originally Posted by boshealecta:
“Its turned into a bit of a negative show, booing, arguments etc. Its why Im a Celeb is still so popular, they have arguments but they focus on fun too and the show is treated as a bit of fun and a laugh, nothing serious and not a place to be confrontational.”
“Its turned into a bit of a negative show, booing, arguments etc. Its why Im a Celeb is still so popular, they have arguments but they focus on fun too and the show is treated as a bit of fun and a laugh, nothing serious and not a place to be confrontational.”
IAC is a far more entertaining show and far more pleasant.
Originally Posted by GreenEyes8:
“I totally agree with the OP.....Last night we had about 30 mns viewing of the previous 24hrs.....if you take out all the Yakkin the Adverts and the eviction......Then we suffered 90 mns of BBOTS....which was absolute Rubbish with the exception of Eamonn Holmes who really told it how it was IMO.....”
“I totally agree with the OP.....Last night we had about 30 mns viewing of the previous 24hrs.....if you take out all the Yakkin the Adverts and the eviction......Then we suffered 90 mns of BBOTS....which was absolute Rubbish with the exception of Eamonn Holmes who really told it how it was IMO.....
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Last night and last Friday night were nothing short of insulting and even less time dedicated to what the show is supposed to be about. Why?
At least on last nights BOTS I got to listen to Nadia with decent intellect and adult awareness. I fast forwarded the rest. I can't bear the smug ignorant Eamonn Holmes and that horrible shred shred fool of a woman. Can't remember her name thank goodness.
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“I could possibly put up with a few disagreements/arguments because they are part of real life if only they were allowed to happen naturally but most of the time BB sets them up.
I suspect it was a combination of a betting scam and those horrible exhm friends of hers voting for her, I didn't know anyone who liked her it was just madness.”
“I could possibly put up with a few disagreements/arguments because they are part of real life if only they were allowed to happen naturally but most of the time BB sets them up.
I suspect it was a combination of a betting scam and those horrible exhm friends of hers voting for her, I didn't know anyone who liked her it was just madness.”
it's tedious and relentless.
The grimness has come from the vanity of the celebrities, and the hypocrisy of their political correctness. Keith is the only one to come out of it well.
Originally Posted by Scarlett Berry:
“I agree anne, I stopped watching for two years but have now accepted the BB we knew is long gone. This new take on a wonderful old format is horrible, but strangely compelling at time.
I'v watched because it's CBB but won't be watching the civilian one this year. Helen Wood winning was the final nail in the proverbial coffin. Sadly grotesque Katie Hopkins will win this one as well. Seems only nasties triumph.”
“I agree anne, I stopped watching for two years but have now accepted the BB we knew is long gone. This new take on a wonderful old format is horrible, but strangely compelling at time.
I'v watched because it's CBB but won't be watching the civilian one this year. Helen Wood winning was the final nail in the proverbial coffin.
Sadly grotesque Katie Hopkins will win this one as well. Seems only nasties triumph.”
I agree with you both,I won't be watching this summer I've wasted too much time to see such hideous people win and it looks like it's going to happen again on CBB so I will maybe just pop in here to get the gossip will be better for my BP.lol.
Originally Posted by anne_666:
“I mourn the loss of the whole experience and what it is now isn't for me. Yes they try to attract new viewers but have lost many who loved the unique and far better show it was. With live feed, at least it wasn't constant misery and was far more real and rounded. The main show was a secondary feature back then for me. I'm so sick of the misery and bullying for a few minutes each day. I got my summer back when they dropped live feed”
“I mourn the loss of the whole experience and what it is now isn't for me. Yes they try to attract new viewers but have lost many who loved the unique and far better show it was. With live feed, at least it wasn't constant misery and was far more real and rounded. The main show was a secondary feature back then for me. I'm so sick of the misery and bullying for a few minutes each day. I got my summer back when they dropped live feed
”
I used to watch them sleep
Originally Posted by anne_666:
“When did this descent, into low life behaviour being considered entertainment, actually begin? Why do they have to have such nasty juvenile story lines every time. Has it been since Channel 5 took the show on? What was wrong with the old and very unique format, with live feed to enable the viewer to see the reality. This is now down there with the lowest of the low of TV shows, including the utter trash that is BOTS. We are shown a few minutes of selected clips to fit the dire story of the series. That has also been reduced by making the eviction show 60 minutes long and trashy BOTS 90 minutes long on a Friday.”
“When did this descent, into low life behaviour being considered entertainment, actually begin? Why do they have to have such nasty juvenile story lines every time. Has it been since Channel 5 took the show on? What was wrong with the old and very unique format, with live feed to enable the viewer to see the reality. This is now down there with the lowest of the low of TV shows, including the utter trash that is BOTS. We are shown a few minutes of selected clips to fit the dire story of the series. That has also been reduced by making the eviction show 60 minutes long and trashy BOTS 90 minutes long on a Friday.”
I actually think it is easy to forget just how nasty some previous shows have been. CBB4 in 2006 was just awful with Pete Burns, Michael Barrymore and George Galloway all behaving really badly. In my opinion Jodie Marsh and Traci Bingham were treated incredilbly harshly in that series.
Originally Posted by Teddybear99:
“I actually think it is easy to forget just how nasty some previous shows have been. CBB4 in 2006 was just awful with Pete Burns, Michael Barrymore and George Galloway all behaving really badly. In my opinion Jodie Marsh and Traci Bingham were treated incredibly harshly in that series.”
“I actually think it is easy to forget just how nasty some previous shows have been. CBB4 in 2006 was just awful with Pete Burns, Michael Barrymore and George Galloway all behaving really badly. In my opinion Jodie Marsh and Traci Bingham were treated incredibly harshly in that series.”
Teenagers will learn more about life from a single episode of CBB than an entire run of Hollyoaks. Grown ups are confronted with uncomfortable truths about themselves. It is true however that the "fun" has been a little hard to find in this series, but then again in the long run converting everything into light entertainment is more grim than facing up to realities - however uncomfortable.
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