[QUdOTE=Bunions;76747904]I used to watch them sleep [/quote]

Me too - those where the days eh? However, at least we saw more of the 'true' story and not some trumped up modified version of events.

I dont find any off the nastiness 'entertaining' at all. It sickens me tbh. I didnt watch the last BB so ive no idea who Helen is but i dont think i missed much.

Exactly. If that series was aired today, it would probably receive thousands and thousands of complaints. In fact, it probably couldn't air today.

Viewing figures are up since the move to C5 which suggests viewers want this BB regardless of how many threads like these.

Channel 5 and endemol hate this forum, mind you channel 4 hated it too. Our fave was Ashleigh on here as she had a lot of morals, it would seem like the management and producers wanted a winner with no ethics whatsoever, then again they were pushed into a corner by Richard Desmond to get the format of the show to suit Helen, which to be honest is bullying really.

Seems as though all the decent viewers have gone and replaced by the youths of today with zero social conscience who will vote for nasty types for fun, hate twitter as they seem to dictate voting patterns for not only bb, but other reality/talent shows.

The potential of bb on channel 5 is now wasted in my books, too much transgressions and greed from the top. Even Ben Frow who's the controller of channel 5 now seems disinterested with bb and doesn't want it to be the main show on channel 5, so the future for the show looks grim.

It seems a lot of tv is now based on fighting & arguments, especially reality tv like BB, Jeremy Kyle, courtroom shows etc. Maybe it appeals more to a younger audience who are generally more volatile and like to see confrontations and/or American influence - Jerry Springer etc!? I don't know. Personally I just switch off (mentally & physically) when people are just yelling at one another. I used to watch the show to find out more about the characters but find it boring when the show only concentrates on the loudest & most obnoxious. If you notice all threads here are either 'Perez blah blah blah' or 'Katie H blah blah blah.' BORING!!!!

Well we certainly saw LOADS more than we do now but it was still edited though - we saw whatever cameras they wanted to broadcast and we listened to one hell of a lot of birdy tweeting


Agree

I do wonder sometimes if people are romanticising what BB used to be like?

At times it was every bit as gruelling and grim as it is today.

Remember how Shahbaz was treated?


I thought they must be but perhaps they could plan for a 'Back to Basics' version as a special or something and see if there really is still an appetite for that, outside of this forum.

Some of these posts make me laugh. So now because you disagree with how the show is ,despite figures being up, it means the viewers are youths of today with no social conscience and Ben Frow isn't interested with BB.

The forum seem to think they are right and everyone else are wrong. You don't speak for all viewers. The forum is a tiny portion of of the viewers. The forum seem to believe that whoever they like, the producers will dislike and try to fix them not to win. Hilarious.

People definitely have rose-tinted glasses on when they look back on Channel 4 era Big Brother. If anything I'd argue there is less outright bullying and negativity today because Big Brother is much quicker to intervene. People have forgotten how Sophie was treated back in BB3, Sam in BB6, Jodie in CBB4, Shahbaz in BB7, etc.

This forum seems to be changing too, supporting the supposed nasty hms ie Katie H and Perez. I haven't watched any of this CBB but I have been reading the forum on and off and I am amazed at the malevolence towards Nadia

I agree but they happened naturally not being set up by BB.

I agree but they were odd incidents in comparison to this year and last, also back then I think they still had 2 bedrooms so HMs didn't have to share and relationships if they were going to happen happened more naturally, also HMs had somewhere to get away if they were angry they could go to a bedroom and cool off.

In hindsight this was possibly one of the scariest episodes ever - from 18 minutes onwards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHKVHYYMp6s

Do you mean Nicola McClean? I spent the entire time when the camera was on her looking at her enormous boobs, which were exaggerated by the belt she was wearing.
They were that big they were 'sitting' on the desk!

Nadia shone as I knew she would. Standing up for her right to be friends with anybody that she wishes.

I like Eamonn Holmes, but I don't agree with his dislike for Perez, or his view on Katie Price. He did make me laugh though when he banged on the mirror.

What bb need is a strong new creative team with purpose and intent, nick samwell-smith seems weak to me, he just doesn't cut the mustard like PEJ did. Although PEJ wasn't always agreeable, he had substance and as creative director and executive producer for bb3 he largely knew what he was doing, however the things I disagreed with him were the silly wedding twist of bb9 and the quad eviction for bb11. Other than that I had a lot of respect for him.

I think the thing that is missing now, above everything else, is balance.

Yes, we always had big dramas and nasty moments, even in the early channel 4 years, but they were more natural in their nature, and they were balanced out with the fun stuff, the exciting moments, the oddly-compelling mundane moments too.

Now it's just drama, drama, drama, and manipulated drama at that. I gave up on civillian BB last year and this series is making me question if I'll do the same for the Celeb version to be honest. It's become trying to get through the show, especially when it feels like the nastier characters are the ones who win.

Come now, stop with the histrionics. None of us that are sad at the demise of BB are speaking for all viewers. Where do you get off being so insulting.

I don't think any of the fm's that are dissappointed in the way the show has gone downhill from what it's initial inception was are worthy of your riducle. Get a grip.sad you need to find hilarity on a DS forum and at the expense of those that don't agree with you.

It's not going to happen though, it's just another Towie/Geordie Shore type of show now and they are not my idea of entertainment.

Awful tasks nowadays, used to love the fun ones but the tasks now are done to cause friction and arguments, CH 5 you've ruined a good show.

Good post Ann and that's also the reason why I don't watch BB anymore

Before I forget - TASKS!

Tasks used to be a huge part of the show and how they earned their grub - literally. I don't get the impression that BB puts as much effort and creativity into the tasks like they used to and this has led to the HMs being a bit 'meh' about them.

Winning tasks has previously been a massive deal to the HMs but I can't remember the last time I felt like that watching one?

Tasks can be really motivational and team-building and I think a lot of the negativity in there stems from abject boredom. Tasks are good at relieving that boredom but maybe BB wants them to be on edge, bored and bloody miserable most of the time.

So did I

I differentiate between CBB and BB. So it seems to me that panto CBB has become more entertaining by taking a trash turn and found a niche that keeps it thriving, while BB has definitely suffered. I managed 3 episodes of the "awful Helen" series then stopped watching.
I'd love to watch a 'Back to Basics' BB with no HMs who nearly qualify for CBB on the bottom of the Zeleb ladder. No "models", "actors", stage school wannabes, just real people.

Hi I have to agree with you totally it would seem that the last two years have descend to depths I thought were not possible.

I agree they not my type of entertainment at all sad, sad, sad