BIB .. This.

This statement here is the level of debate that it has come down to. "You make me see something I don't like so I critique a couple typing errors." Well done!

Perez has gone on record several times discussing his shame about how he treated others (not Gaga admittedly, there's a lot of deeper mutual animosity between those two). He went through a period of depression as a result. If you look into his recent history, or indeed read the blog, you'll see it paints a very different picture than the bilious stuff he was doing a few years ago. The blog is so bland now, I can't believe anyone even reads it any more. And I suspect it's cost him a bit of revenue.

But I realise this doesn't fit the "Perez is evil" meme, which is absolutely necessary in order to vilify him for his behaviour and justify the treatment of him in the house. So do carry on with the metaphorical pitchfork and 'burn the witch' stuff.

Regretting it and continuing it doesn't really cut it thought does it.

Yes the OT "eye for an eye". Which century is this?

Bullying is wrong, there is never any excuse. In adults it's worryingly immature and sinister.
Can you imagine this behaviour being tolerated anywhere in civilised society? Try isolating anyone in the workplace, for instance. BB is now one series after another of adolescent, unacceptable anti-social behaviour, which is weirdly lauded by some.
Shall we go back to feeding Christians to the lions for entertainment?

Ok, i'll bite. Feel free to correct any typos I may have made while attempting to type with chunky fingers on a small tablet. Why not send them off to Gove, or his identikit replacement, as proof that all teachers are illiterate.

This, thank you. I will add that no matter what he does in the real world, there is no justification for him or anyone else bullying others or being bullied. . KH has behaved like an out of control damaged child in there, bullied and fought constantly. I would never ever agree with her or anyone being bullied.

That's very admirable, the difference being of course though, that although Perez behaves like a child, he is an adult and therefore totally responsible for his own behaviour.

He is either stupid enough to imagine that you can treat people as badly as you like without repercussions, or, he knows exactly what he's doing and has played it this way to ensure through his machinations that people are removed from the house or walk, and then when no-one wants to bother with him because of it, play the victim.

You reap what you sow.

BTW. I don't think by any stretch of the imagination that he is being bullied.

Speaking of the other housemates, would you say you have seen any bullying behaviours from any other housemate, to any other housemates?

Why are you badgering me to see things your way? I've explained my view quite clearly and I don't have to bow down to you thank you very much

Yes, it does rather make a mockery of his 'regret.'

Is bullying ever deserved - no.

However, within the confines of the Big Brother house, the housemates can choose who they do or don't want to spend time with, and - if they prefer not to sit at a table with Perez (or anybody else) - then that is their choice.

It's not compulsory to talk to him, spend time with him, attempt to socialise with him, and I would say that their behaviour doesn't come out of thin air - it's a reaction to the last couple of weeks. Just as Perez choosing not to talk to a housemate or to ignore them (as he has done) is also his choice.

However, somebody rallying them regularly and saying to everybody, let's all consciously avoid, ignore, ostracise Perez, deliberately make him uncomfortable (rather than being polite and decent - if he talks to them in a polite, courteous way, they should respond in kind) and going out of their way to do so, I could never condone that.

I do believe there is a difference.

Best example I can think of, if I were at a party and there was somebody there I didn't want to talk to or see, I wouldn't go near them. I wouldn't, however, go around encouraging others to do the same or rallying others to start being nasty about that person or to that person. I just would avoid that person. Avoiding or ignoring somebody isn't bullying, it's a personal choice.

The other night during live feed, when most of the housemates were chatting about various things, having a nice time around the dinner table, Perez chose not to try and join them. Nobody said to him 'Perez, don't even think of joining us', he chose not to join or attempt to join them.

Had he tried to join them, being polite and friendly about it and then they had all walked away, that would have been very uncomfortable but then that would be their choice.

Had he tried to join them and somebody had said, come on everybody let's leave Perez here alone, he doesn't deserve our attention, then that would have been uncalled for.

I'm not using the word bullying as I don't see any bullying, just a lot of very opinionated people who (most of them anyway) have behaved pretty immaturely for most of the series.

Seems to me that peace has broken out though:

12.20am: Cami and Perez cook late night chicken and talk about childhood. Cheggers is told not to fuss about the washing up

Not two people I thought would even talk to each other!

I'm asking questions based on your example of bullying behaviours, not expecting you to see things my way.

Probably the best and most accurate comment of the series

Heh, that's exactly what I'm doing with my puppy. He doesn't like being ignored and he stops his shitty behaviour pretty sharpish. I also did this tactic when my teenage daughter acted like an arse, I just ignored her and left the room, she soon got the message that I was never going to rise to obnoxiousness. If you want to spend time with me, be nice and you have my undivided attention. Bite my ankle or act obnoxious and you'll be ignored

I'm the only one speaking the truth (that's my best Katie H )

The worrying thing is, I think quite a few people who are justifying it, would like to behave like that in the workplace, school, out in the real world. Lots of people do get bullied everyday and it's not Katie Hopkins doing it. Remember her supporters favourite saying is 'she's just saying what we are all thinking' and she appears to be very popular.

Exactly that HAS happened though, albeit not in the past few days. I have seen KH, Cami and even Michelle rally people against him, encouraging them to ignore him and even trying to include his one ally at the time, Nadia in the ostracising. It didn't work but was attempted.

You are right about things settling though, I haven't seen any of this more recently.

Not under any circumstances.

I do feel however that people should be held responsible for their actions.
Perez doesn't respect or care about anyone or anything (or so he says).
His behaviour in the diary room is deplorable and I'm not sure why bb let him away with it.
I'm sure Nadia when she watches his dairy room rants will regret backing him so much.

When the house is dominated by tabloid attitudes. Hopkins is the living embodiment of the 'newspaper' she 'writes' for, pretending that one or two ignorant and simplistic soundbites which don't actually mean anything are some sort of sweeping justification for behaving how she likes, and manipulating and intimidating the weak-minded majority into bullying her chosen 'deserved' target.

It's like a microcosm of the UK under the Conservatives.

Yes, I guess someone has to give the nasties some validation. But, to them, no, she doesn't say what everyone else is thinking. She says what the bitter and spiteful think and they should take responsibility for their own thoughts and not try and pretend they can't help it because everyone thinks the same.

If you isolate someone in itself is not bullying.
When you organise every person in that house to isolate them and if you refuse you will get hopkins wrath then that is bullying.

This is from someone who hates the word getting overused and misused over the years in this forum,I am known for saying theres been very little bullying in BB over the decade..Jade was a bully,and Richard BB7 was a bully because he did exactly what Hopkins did.
It does not matter how weird,annoying or obnoxious someone is,when you ( as in anyone ) make that decision from ignoring him/her you are taking yourself out that situation but when you try to organise a complete isolation of that person so nobody is allowed to talk to them or like them then you are a bully.
Hopkins is a bully.

So if that was the case, and you adopted Perez's principle with the justification that if he does it then it's okay for you to do it, then aren't you just condoning that behaviour?

The OP throws up an interesting example of primary school.

Imagine if you have a son or daughter at primary school. And for one week your child behaved terribly. But then made an effort to reign themselves in and tried to behave a bit better. But the rest of the class behaved terribly themselves and treated your child horribly for the rest of the term. But the teacher just looked on and let them do it, in the belief that your child deserves it so they'll just leave them to it.
How would you feel? Would you feel that was right or wrong?

This WOULD work a lot of the time. But with people deliberately provoking him ( for example making a nasty comment as he goes to wash his face at bedtime) and then his behavior being reinforced by extra camera time/attention it's totally sabotaged.
I don't think KH+gang are trying to get him to stop being an attention seeking buffoon anyway. I think they are provoking him to be a fool so as to prove to us what a fool he is, and benefiting from the extra camera/attention they also get from it.
Boring as f**k for me tbh.

This is the most ridiculous question I've ever heard!

Of course nobody deserves to be bullied. Even the consideration of it is disgusting.

Nobody here should wish harm about anybody and if they do then they need to go and think about how they would like to be bullied.

Honestly? I despise Katie Hopkins but I wouldn't want her to be bullied. And I love Perez and i hate seeing him be treated like this.

Seriously?