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Old 01-02-2015, 22:31
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Hopkins, davidson, busey , wood what is it about these unplesant characters that made them popular as compared to the so called baddies of the past.

Was there are defining moment that changed it forever.

Trying to think of what davidson did and where this new breed of voter appeared from.
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Old 01-02-2015, 22:32
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I'm guessing it's the new generation of viewers. It began with Davidson and has cursed us since.
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Old 01-02-2015, 22:33
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Gary Busey was lovely. I didn't see any bad in him at all.
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Old 01-02-2015, 22:33
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I think it was probably the year that Thatcher's children were old enough to buy their own phones
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Old 01-02-2015, 22:34
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Gary Busey was lovely. I didn't see any bad in him at all.
I found him the worst out of those i mentioned
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Old 01-02-2015, 22:35
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Gary Busey was lovely. I didn't see any bad in him at all.
I agree.
(OT: But I equally love him in the Celebrity Apprentice USA )
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Old 01-02-2015, 22:35
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Old 01-02-2015, 22:35
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I wouldn't put Gary in that category myself.

I'm guessing it's the new generation of viewers. It began with Davidson and has cursed us since.
I think it started earlier. For example, Heidi and Spencer managing to be the runners up in their series, after being spiteful and self-obsessed the entire time.

Unless you mean specifically the unpleasant characters winning (which of course, they thankfully didn't).
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Old 01-02-2015, 22:38
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My issue is that I was always a supporter of the so called just below the surface baddie who wasnt that much of a baddie that was generally hated by the voters.

However we have gone a lot more right of centre now from that so called level of badness

I don't generally like what we have as faves now either one extreme to the other
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Old 01-02-2015, 22:39
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when it moved to the dark side AKA Channel 5
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Old 01-02-2015, 22:39
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I agree.
(OT: But I equally love him in the Celebrity Apprentice USA )
So do I and every week I want the men to win, so he is safe. The guys are so desperate to get rid of him. I know it's an old series, but I avoided any spoilers.
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Old 01-02-2015, 22:40
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The support goes back as far as Maxwell and Saskia in BB6, Grace and Nikki in BB7, Charley in BB8, but yes for the nasties to actually WIN Big Brother these days is a poor reflection of how society is going/

In earlier series Keith would be the hero for staying decent and good humoured but now he is fake and dull. I despair to be honest that anyone can find Katie Hopkins either amusing or likeable.
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Old 01-02-2015, 22:41
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This forum was really unhappy with helen winning but get the feeling it will be fine with hopkins
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Old 01-02-2015, 22:42
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The support goes back as far as Maxwell and Saskia in BB6, Grace and Nikki in BB7, Charley in BB8, but yes for the nasties to actually WIN Big Brother these days is a poor reflection of how society is going/

In earlier series Keith would be the hero for staying decent and good humoured but now he is fake and dull. I despair to be honest that anyone can find Katie Hopkins either amusing or likeable.
These are what I described as below the surface baddies not as bad as made out to be but in some cases hated.

Wonder how they would all do nowadays
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Old 01-02-2015, 22:43
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Why isn't there up roar about bullying, like when that Shilpa Shetti year happened? Jade and the other girls got death threats after that. Nowadays people like Helen Wood gets a pat on the back and wins money out of her nastiness. Now it seems People are loving Hopkins. It just doesn't make sense to me.
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Old 01-02-2015, 22:47
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The support goes back as far as Maxwell and Saskia in BB6, Grace and Nikki in BB7, Charley in BB8, but yes for the nasties to actually WIN Big Brother these days is a poor reflection of how society is going/

In earlier series Keith would be the hero for staying decent and good humoured but now he is fake and dull. I despair to be honest that anyone can find Katie Hopkins either amusing or likeable.
Get away!

You might have a point OP if all of these series were out-and-out good v evil scenarios, but you forget that alongside Hopkins, Davidson and Busey were Perez, Nolan and Jordan.

It's not as straightforward as you are making it.
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Old 01-02-2015, 22:48
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I'd argue it was the backlash following Sam winning BB14. Production loved Dexter and Gina and spent a lot of time and effort promoting them and I feel that production and a lot of the fanbase were annoyed at someone say painfully irrelevant winning the show instead. So since then production have gone out of their way to make sure that their bigger characters, regardless of their behaviour, win come the finale.
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Old 01-02-2015, 22:48
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Hopkins, davidson, busey , wood what is it about these unplesant characters that made them popular as compared to the so called baddies of the past.

Was there are defining moment that changed it forever.

Trying to think of what davidson did and where this new breed of voter appeared from.
The real. baddy this year is parez if he had left the housemates alone we would have got to no them all he has caused all the trouble from day one he has turned it into a show this is not bb Channel five have changed it from a reality show to a show thy changed the boundaries to keep the people like parez in then you have people that run with it
To be honest it's just not hard to see what is going on
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Old 01-02-2015, 22:49
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This forum was really unhappy with helen winning but get the feeling it will be fine with hopkins
Not really, there are plenty of us who despise her. I've been teetering on the edge of giving up on BB altogether because of the elevation of the 'tell it like it is' brigade, it's just no fun when the whole point of the exercise is to watch televised bullying.
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Old 01-02-2015, 22:50
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Hopkins, davidson, busey , wood what is it about these unplesant characters that made them popular as compared to the so called baddies of the past.

Was there are defining moment that changed it forever.

Trying to think of what davidson did and where this new breed of voter appeared from.
Nasty Nick was the first baddie of BB - wow how tame was what he did now and he got abused in the street at the time
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Old 01-02-2015, 22:52
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I'd argue it was the backlash following Sam winning BB14. Production loved Dexter and Gina and spent a lot of time and effort promoting them and I feel that production and a lot of the fanbase were annoyed at someone say painfully irrelevant winning the show instead. So since then production have gone out of their way to make sure that their bigger characters, regardless of their behaviour, win come the finale.
I get the feeling there was a huge of amount behind the scenes anger at sam winning as he was edited out the show for days on end so they made sure that was never happening again.

There also seems to be a protect the expensive one edit going on
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Old 01-02-2015, 22:52
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I think there was a sea change in BB14, when villains like Gina and a contrived gameplayer like Dexter were embraced by the public.

And not by coincidence, BB14 was the year that the producers REALLY started playing dirty...no series before it had so much interference in terms of replaying private conversations and revealing public opinions... task after task was designed around public polls or to create an argument between HMs...viewers were allowed to vote to punish particular HMs with particularly humiliating tasks...and no conversation - diary room or not - was considered sacrosanct.

So I'm wondering if the slide into a truly nasty BB by the producers has had a pernicious influence on how we regard HMs and ergo who wins? Attitudes being contagious and all that.
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Old 01-02-2015, 22:53
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I think there was a sea change in BB14, when villains like Gina and a contrived gameplayer like Dexter were embraced by the public.

And not by coincidence, BB14 was the year that the producers REALLY started playing dirty...no series before it had so much interference in terms of replaying private conversations and revealing public opinions... task after task was designed around public polls or to create an argument between HMs...viewers were allowed to vote to punish particular HMs with particularly humiliating tasks...and no conversation - diary room or not - was considered sacrosanct.

So I'm wondering if the slide into a truly nasty BB by the producers has had a pernicious influence on how we regard HMs and ergo who wins? Attitudes being contagious and all that.
But I didn't think Gina and Dexter were that horrible.
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Old 01-02-2015, 22:53
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Not really, there are plenty of us who despise her. I've been teetering on the edge of giving up on BB altogether because of the elevation of the 'tell it like it is' brigade, it's just no fun when the whole point of the exercise is to watch televised bullying.
Ashleigh came into this category as well to be honest as she was just helen light
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Old 01-02-2015, 22:58
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Nasty Nick was the first baddie of BB - wow how tame was what he did now and he got abused in the street at the time
Imagine if Nick did now in BB what he did then.

The HMs would get the hot water switched off for a couple of hours and that would be the end of it.
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