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Imagine if Nick did now in BB what he did then.
The HMs would get the hot water switched off for a couple of hours and that would be the end of it. |
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You might have a point OP if all of these series were out-and-out good v evil scenarios, but you forget that alongside Hopkins, Davidson and Busey were Perez, Nolan and Jordan. It's not as straightforward as you are making it. There is no right on either side. Years ago Cheggars would be the obvious winner because of his qualities in the house but now oh no he's a boring character! |
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I think the winner of BB or CBB very much depends on the mix of people in the house and how the house dynamic plays out throughout the series, plus the narrative that the show chooses to portray.
I think that the fact that a few of the past winners are viewed as 'baddies' is down to coincidence. Almost every eviction, in every eviction show is a foregone conclusion as soon as the nominations are announced - it is due to the house dynamic that particular week - who has angered the public most that particular week (VTE), or who is the favourite (VTS). But who wins over all is such a complex matter, with so many different viewpoints, so many things to take into account on choosing the best of the remaining few, that no real conclusions can be drawn on the reason that a particular HM won. |
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Hopkins, davidson, busey , wood what is it about these unplesant characters that made them popular as compared to the so called baddies of the past...
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![]() I agree with k0213818 (not often that I have to cut and paste a forum name) that there seemed to be a significant change in BB14. Gina in particular was given SO many special, flattering tasks and so much attention, and we barely saw Sam do a thing, even though the twins once said he was 'up for absolutely anything'. It was the first time I thought it was genuinely clear who the producers wanted to win. And they never really took the risk again. Jim Davidson - friend of Richard Desmond, already signed for a Ch 5 special - was also given ultra-flattering tasks, and the other housemates were clearly gobsmacked by the difference between what they saw and what the viewers had seen. And the process of nominations/ public votes seems pretty well dead. I swear they have a staff meeting every day to discuss the best way to keep x in and get rid of y. Even reading the nominations footnotes on Wikipedia is torturous: the twists seem to have become labyrinthine. |
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to this day, nobody can explain Helen Wood's win. Davidson had a lot of favourable edits and people took his side against Nolan + Busey wasn't that bad IMO but he also had the whole "house ganging up against him" edit and James jordan. But nothing really makes sense about Helen's win.
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I don't know why Gary is included in that list. He never intentionally made someone feel like shite unlike half of the HMs in that series.
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Gary Busey was lovely. I didn't see any bad in him at all.
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Sam winning was the straw that broke the camels back, the most boring winner in BB history.
After his victory people who never use to vote started to vote hence the swing towards better, entertaining HM's winning. |
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Ever since BB1 the baddie was always detested by the public audience and Nick and other similar reprobates were commonly despised and evicted.
Until it came to Ashleigh. She was the first lowlife to attract substantial public support and although she wasn't allowed to win, the attitude of the public changed from that point onwards, culminating in committed public support for pond life such as Charlotte and Perez. Its the audience that are changing, not the players |
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Ever since BB1 the baddie was always detested by the public audience and Nick and other similar reprobates were commonly despised and evicted.
Until it came to Ashleigh. She was the first lowlife to attract substantial public support and although she wasn't allowed to win, the attitude of the public changed from that point onwards, culminating in committed public support for pond life such as Charlotte and Perez. Its the audience that are changing, not the players |
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But none of those people came anywhere near winning. (All right, Dave came second, but only because so many popular people had been evicted it was basically Josie and a group of hopeless cases.)
I agree with k0213818 (not often that I have to cut and paste a forum name) that there seemed to be a significant change in BB14. Gina in particular was given SO many special, flattering tasks and so much attention, and we barely saw Sam do a thing, even though the twins once said he was 'up for absolutely anything'. It was the first time I thought it was genuinely clear who the producers wanted to win. And they never really took the risk again. Jim Davidson - friend of Richard Desmond, already signed for a Ch 5 special - was also given ultra-flattering tasks, and the other housemates were clearly gobsmacked by the difference between what they saw and what the viewers had seen. And the process of nominations/ public votes seems pretty well dead. I swear they have a staff meeting every day to discuss the best way to keep x in and get rid of y. Even reading the nominations footnotes on Wikipedia is torturous: the twists seem to have become labyrinthine. I don't believe they wanted Gina to win. I think they wanted to give the public what it wanted. It was the first series where I became conscious that they were definitely reading social media and deliberately responding: and what the public apparently wanted in BB14 was to see Gina be the queen of the house and Hazel be tormented like some biblical Eve. And when the tide turned against Gina, the show was more than happy to let that happen too, hence her fall from grace having been a big favourite for much of the series. It was just weird the way there'd be a theme on social media, like Wolfy being arrogant and weird, and next thing you know there's a poll designed to humiliate her and bring her down a peg or two. Now of course, that stuff is par for the course. The questions they ask in opinion polls now are absolutely tied to what the internet is saying, and in turn they edit stories that play to our expectations of HMs: it's a reciprocal and very toxic 'feeding' arrangement. |
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Just want to add that I think Twitter has played a big part in all this. Twitter IMO brings out the absolute worst in people, and the show is now consciously playing to that gallery. It's no coincidence to me that the rise of Twitter saw a change in Big Brother.
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Charlotte was before Ashleigh.
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I mean Charlotte Crosby, winner Celebrity Big Brother
That series was aired in 2013. BB15 was 2014. |
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Just want to add that I think Twitter has played a big part in all this. Twitter IMO brings out the absolute worst in people, and the show is now consciously playing to that gallery. It's no coincidence to me that the rise of Twitter saw a change in Big Brother.
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Helen was horrible but I liked Gary. I almost stopped watching after Helen's win.
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Just want to add that I think Twitter has played a big part in all this. Twitter IMO brings out the absolute worst in people, and the show is now consciously playing to that gallery. It's no coincidence to me that the rise of Twitter saw a change in Big Brother.
For example, in the recent series of I'm a Celebrity with Jimmy Bullard. He was a huge favourite then he did one thing wrong and it all turned. I remember Twitter exploding during the episode and it was like a domino effect. Maybe if people weren't on Twitter, people would have made up their minds whether they liked him or not, but with Twitter, you see a lot of dislike for a contestant, and people can't be bothered to make their own decision and follow the crowd. I don't know if that makes sense, as I got confused typing that! It's kind of the same as forums. We come on here and we get riled up. If we refused to go on the forum during BB, I guarantee that almost all of us would enjoy the show more. |
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I mean Charlotte Crosby, winner Celebrity Big Brother
Her and Helen Woods.... the spiral descent
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Hopkins, davidson, busey , wood what is it about these unplesant characters that made them popular as compared to the so called baddies of the past.
Was there are defining moment that changed it forever. Trying to think of what davidson did and where this new breed of voter appeared from. They maKe interesting tv, they are probably despised by most people. |
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Her and Helen Woods.... the spiral descent