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How exactly is Perez being "ostracised"???
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Noush
01-02-2015
I'm sick of reading and hearing that Perez is being bullied and ostracized because the simple truth is HE ISNT!

The man himself has said he does not need the money so it would be like asking you if you would do a job for a month when you had no need for money at all and the people at your work OSTRACISED you???? I don't think you would.....I wouldnt! So if Perez really finds it that bad, he has shown how angry and demanding he can get and I'm sure he'd just walk out....

BUT....

OSTRACISE :exclude from a society or group.
exclude, shun, spurn, cold-shoulder, give someone the cold shoulder, reject, repudiate, boycott, blackball, blacklist, cast off, cast out, shut out, avoid, ignore, snub, cut dead, keep at arm's length, leave out in the cold, bar, ban, debar, banish, exile, expel

No one in the house is doing any of these things to him! They even sit and eat with him and tell stories as we have seen tonight. He partakes in tasks. They may speak less to him than some others but I'm sorry he is neither being bullied or ostracised. Not even close!
Dangermoose
01-02-2015
Not for want of trying on Hopkins' part .............
droogiefret
01-02-2015
I think the big ostracise attempt was in the last couple of weeks. I'm expecting it all to soften a bit now because nobody will want to come across as a complete arse in the last few days.
Noush
01-02-2015
Originally Posted by Dangermoose:
“Not for want of trying on Hopkins' part .............”

Perhaps it's clever editing or maybe I just missed it but the only time I heard Katie H say that everyone needed to ignore him is when he was being an utter idiot by stuffing a piece of cheese up his nose and was goading her to the point of exploding.

Some things annoy people a lot and some things don't bother people in the slightest. Katie H appears to dislike all things "American" and perhaps his attempt at "humour" was wasted on her...apart from this I don't think I have seen a premeditated plan to exclude him at all. As a matter of fact that cow Nadia was the one who kept all his fights and arguments and antics going. With her removed he actually has a better chance of redeeming himself....if possible
diesels hummin
01-02-2015
What about the way Cami and Kavana both walked away when he was trying to give his side of the story ?
Rhumbatugger
01-02-2015
Didn't happen.

Even KH talks to him, well harangues him.

They don't spend time with him, well Keith and KP do, but he bores them shitless, but when there was a task they were all there together including him. Calum cooked and brought him a dinner apparantly, and we SAW that he wasn't alone tonight when he was upset.

Cami Li and Kav tried to help him, he told them he didn't give a shit about them and what they said and that KH was bullying him and they quietly left.

I think the only one technically NOT talking to him may be Michelle, as I've not seen her, but she could be talking to him.

It's all over dramatic nonsense. They DO all dislike him, but I can't blame them. I think he's loathesome and playing the game, he's a manipulative and amoral man who doesn't care about any of them at all, after all.
Rhumbatugger
01-02-2015
Originally Posted by diesels hummin:
“What about the way Cami and Kavana both walked away when he was trying to give his side of the story ?”

After he told them he didn't give a shit what they thought?

And why would they listen to him blaming KH when he pisses everyone off including them? What story could he have when they've witnessed him being objectionable for weeks?
mitacond
01-02-2015
Originally Posted by Noush:
“I'm sick on reading and hearing that Perez is being bullied and ostracized because the simple truth is HE ISNT!

The man himself has said he does not need the money so it would be like asking you if you would do a job for a month when you had no need for money at all and the people at your work OSTRACISED you???? I don't think you would.....I wouldnt! So if Perez really finds it that bad, he has shown how angry and demanding he can get and I'm sure he'd just walk out....

BUT....

OSTRACISE :exclude from a society or group.
exclude, shun, spurn, cold-shoulder, give someone the cold shoulder, reject, repudiate, boycott, blackball, blacklist, cast off, cast out, shut out, avoid, ignore, snub, cut dead, keep at arm's length, leave out in the cold, bar, ban, debar, banish, exile, expel

No one in the house is doing any of these things to him! They even sit and eat with him and tell stories as we have seen tonight. He partakes in tasks. They may speak less to him than some others but I'm sorry he is neither being bullied or ostracised. Not even close!”

Well I believe the other hms except for KP and Keith more or less agreed with KH that he should be ostracised, He most definitely is on a blacklist with the hms.
linmic
01-02-2015
Didnt she say to Nadia that she would not be friends with anyone who associated themselves with Perez or wtte?
Denise
01-02-2015
In the version I watch, Katie H has on several occasions tried to get everyone to ostracize him, even having a go at Nadia for talking to him.

As for the money part, wouldn't you expect to be paid for the period of time you did a job you hated and not expect to receive nothing? Perez is one that has done a decent amount of 'work' in there unlike some.
Noush
01-02-2015
Originally Posted by diesels hummin:
“What about the way Cami and Kavana both walked away when he was trying to give his side of the story ?”

Cami actually said "I'm not ignoring you, I have to brush my teeth". At least she told him where and why she was going but all he could do was wish EVERYONE got sick and vomit (or something like that). Lovely isn't he!?!
Rhumbatugger
01-02-2015
Originally Posted by mitacond:
“Well I believe the other hms except for KP and Keith were more or less agreed with KH that he should be ostracised, He most definitely is on a blacklist with the hms. ”

Not what we saw tonight, but don't believe your own eyes if you want.
Rhumbatugger
01-02-2015
Originally Posted by Denise:
“In the version I watch, Katie H has on several occasions tried to get everyone to ostracize him, even having a go at Nadia for talking to him.

As for the money part, wouldn't you expect to be paid for the period of time you did a job you hated and not expect to receive nothing? Perez is one that has done a decent amount of 'work' in there unlike some.”

I'm not saying she didn't try. I think it might have been 'when he is being a total dick' though.

But if not, it still didn't HAPPEN. It's no good going on pretending that it did.

He's not popular, but they WILL speak to him, cook for him and check he's okay. Keith and KP will even spend time watching him dribble.
amyawake
01-02-2015
Originally Posted by Dangermoose:
“Not for want of trying on Hopkins' part .............”

Indeed...she has declared for all to hear "isolate the bastard" and said that she will persecute him until he leaves.

Also some of the definitions of being ostracised DO apply - e.g. Hopkins DOES cold shoulder him, avoids him, snubs him, cuts him dead, rejects and repudiates him....that's quite a lot isn't it?
hicken
01-02-2015
Didn't I just watch a task scene when everyone was speaking to him, then a scene when everyone - including KH - was laughing at his story? *rubs eyes*.
RabidWolverine1
01-02-2015
Isolate:

cause (a person or place) to be or remain alone or apart from others.

synonyms: separate, set apart, segregate, detach, cut off, keep apart, cocoon, insulate, quarantine, keep in solitude, sequester, cloister, seclude, divorce, shut away, alienate, distance, exclude, keep out;


Katie Hopkins by her own admission has told people to Isolate Perez. She has also openly taken pride in taking digs at him in seeing how far she can push him.

Surely you can see how causing or trying to cause someone to be isolated can be seen as bullying.

It is disgusting behaviour, there is no excuse for it.
Rhumbatugger
01-02-2015
Originally Posted by hicken:
“Didn't I just watch a task scene when everyone was speaking to him, then a scene when everyone - including KH - was laughing at his story? *rubs eyes*.”

You were NOT hallucinating. People, with the evidence in front of them, persist in believing their preferred narrative.

Makes me think little of their comprehension skills, but it is true.

Oh and they don't read ANYTHING that doesn't go along with the narrative they've chosen that isn't what they've seen either.

And just carry on regardless.

Depressing.
linmic
01-02-2015
Originally Posted by amyawake:
“Indeed...she has declared for all to hear "isolate the bastard" and said that she will persecute him until he leaves.

Also some of the definitions of being ostracised DO apply - e.g. Hopkins DOES cold shoulder him, avoids him, snubs him, cuts him dead, rejects and repudiates him....that's quite a lot isn't it?”

Well done you. Indeed she did say isolate the bastard. Id forgotten the actual words she used.
Menk
01-02-2015
Admittedly it has calmed down a lot now, but he was blatantly and undeniably ostracised for some time, vocally by KH and well within his earshot. Pressure was placed on Nadia to break ties with him.

The fact that KH couldn't follow through and actually ignore him was contrary to what she was advising others to do.
erin_p
01-02-2015
With Perez Hilton’s pal Nadia Sawalha out of the CBB house, it’s looking likely a lonely week ahead for the showbiz blogger.



Perez shed a tear after Nadia was evicted before him last night, much to delight of his fellow housemates.

Only Keith Chegwin seemed to see if he was alright while the others celebrated.

It wasn’t so much Nadia’s exit that they were happy with but more that Perez was now in the house alone.

Michelle Visage claimed of Perez being able to talk to other housemates: “Not going to happen.”

And Cami declared: “I hope he’s f**king miserable. He’s now going to have a meltdown. Who’s he going to try and speak to?”

Kavana seemed to reluctant to join in with the glee at seeing Perez down.




“I don’t want to make him… I know his actions have been f**king awful, but I don’t want him to be absolutely miserable,” he said. “I’m not going to not speak to him.”

But Cami was quick to try and get him back in line: “Don’t start,” she said.

“He is not a nice person,” she added.

The animosity towards Perez has no doubt increased following another huge row yesterday (Friday).

In scenes not yet shown – but expected to air this evening (Saturday) – Perez Hilton gets a formal warning after an argument with Calum Best.


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vald
01-02-2015
Without 24/7 live feed we can't know how much they are shunning him. He probably feels it more with Nadia gone.
Rhumbatugger
01-02-2015
Originally Posted by Menk:
“Admittedly it has calmed down a lot now, but he was blatantly and undeniably ostracised for some time, vocally by KH and well within his earshot. Pressure was placed on Nadia to break ties with him.

The fact that KH couldn't follow through and actually ignore him was contrary to what she was advising others to do.”

True enough, but it NEVER happened. And we don't know to what extent anything partial happened. And if it's like that, then people just didn't want to be around him much and that's different.

KH certainly wanted it to happen, but even then she may have just wanted him ignored when he was being a total dick.

It's not so simple as 'oooooh they ISOLATED him' at all. Some did, sometimes, as a group they didn't and they didn't tonight.

Reading the post above - some did, some didn't and it didn't last. Even Cami Li tried tonight.
diesels hummin
01-02-2015
Originally Posted by Noush:
“Cami actually said "I'm not ignoring you, I have to brush my teeth". At least she told him where and why she was going but all he could do was wish EVERYONE got sick and vomit (or something like that). Lovely isn't he!?!”

Cami was ok but Kavana stormed off like he was about to hear something he couldnt accept ,something that didnt fit into the storyline about Perez driving Alexander from the house that they all take as gospel.
Dangermoose
01-02-2015
Originally Posted by Noush:
“Perhaps it's clever editing or maybe I just missed it but the only time I heard Katie H say that everyone needed to ignore him is when he was being an utter idiot by stuffing a piece of cheese up his nose and was goading her to the point of exploding. ”

Ah yes, it was the editing on all the occasions she ran around the house like a nasty little schoolgirl telling everyone to 'isolate the bastard', 'don't anyone speak to him', and all the other instances given above. Very clever those editors, slipping in scenes that never happened

By the by .... I don't really care how 'annoying' someone's being ..... that is just petty, spiteful and downright immature. Had anyone tried doing that to Hopkins, I would be equally disturbed
Menk
01-02-2015
Originally Posted by vald:
“Without 24/7 live feed we can't know how much they are shunning him. He probably feels it more with Nadia gone.”

This is true, we can only be sure of the intention to ostracise him.
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