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How exactly is Perez being "ostracised"???
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Rhumbatugger
01-02-2015
Originally Posted by diesels hummin:
“Cami was ok but Kavana stormed off like he was about to hear something he couldnt accept ,something that didnt fit into the storyline about Perez driving Alexander from the house that they all take as gospel.”

Perez did say 'I don't give a shit about what you think, I don't give a shit about what you say' when Kav had just said something to try and help.

Do you expect him to be happy about that?
linmic
01-02-2015
Originally Posted by erin_p:
“With Perez Hilton’s pal Nadia Sawalha out of the CBB house, it’s looking likely a lonely week ahead for the showbiz blogger.



Perez shed a tear after Nadia was evicted before him last night, much to delight of his fellow housemates.

Only Keith Chegwin seemed to see if he was alright while the others celebrated.

It wasn’t so much Nadia’s exit that they were happy with but more that Perez was now in the house alone.

Michelle Visage claimed of Perez being able to talk to other housemates: “Not going to happen.”

And Cami declared: “I hope he’s f**king miserable. He’s now going to have a meltdown. Who’s he going to try and speak to?”

Kavana seemed to reluctant to join in with the glee at seeing Perez down.




“I don’t want to make him… I know his actions have been f**king awful, but I don’t want him to be absolutely miserable,” he said. “I’m not going to not speak to him.”

But Cami was quick to try and get him back in line: “Don’t start,” she said.

“He is not a nice person,” she added.

The animosity towards Perez has no doubt increased following another huge row yesterday (Friday).

In scenes not yet shown – but expected to air this evening (Saturday) – Perez Hilton gets a formal warning after an argument with Calum Best.


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Thank you erin.
JVS
01-02-2015
Katie Hopkins has said she wanted he to be shunned. And Nadia was always criticised for befriending him - plus Hopkins and Michelle have discussed who he's going to find to spend time with now she's gone. Is the OP not watching the show?
Menk
01-02-2015
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“True enough, but it NEVER happened. And we don't know to what extent anything partial happened. And if it's like that, then people just didn't want to be around him much and that's different.

KH certainly wanted it to happen, but even then she may have just wanted him ignored when he was being a total dick.

It's not so simple as 'oooooh they ISOLATED him' at all. Some did, sometimes, as a group they didn't and they didn't tonight.

Reading the post above - some did, some didn't and it didn't last. Even Cami Li tried tonight.”

I agree - but he was made well aware that there was lobbying to isolate him (some time ago - it's not happening anymore) which was not a high point.

If the housemates en masse had ignored him throughout his bad behaviour, then that would have been aceptable in my view. But the attempt to make it universal by KH took it into different territory.
diesels hummin
01-02-2015
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“Perez did say 'I don't give a shit about what you think, I don't give a shit about what you say' when Kav had just said something to try and help.

Do you expect him to be happy about that?”

The way i saw it was that Perez was trying to tell him about his "truth" and he sensed that he was not going to be receptive to it and that was his reaction.
Rhumbatugger
01-02-2015
Originally Posted by Menk:
“I agree - but he was made well aware that there was lobbying to isolate him (some time ago - it's not happening anymore) which was not a high point.

If the housemates en masse had ignored him throughout his bad behaviour, then that would have been aceptable in my view. But the attempt to make it universal by KH took it into different territory.”

I'm still not sure there isn't some 'fudge' there.

Their aim, even KH's was to stop him being horrible - even Patsy couldn't stand him when he was.

Nadia thought it was funny, apparantly, and thought they should just ignore him when he was being irritating or abusive, hence the anger at her.

I'm not sure it was EVER seriously 'all the time because we hate him'. Mind he could have been irritating nearly all the time, so no difference really.

It never got off the ground anyway.
erin_p
01-02-2015
Katie H did give him 2 options to cry or get out the house
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DpxTWHfSrI
Rhumbatugger
01-02-2015
Originally Posted by diesels hummin:
“The way i saw it was that Perez was trying to tell him about his "truth" and he sensed that he was not going to be receptive to it and that was his reaction.”

Well, he gave his 'reaction' before/during them saying anything so...

I think he deliberately got them to leave so he could moan and cry and go to the diary room all aloooone and repeat that none of it was his fault sob it was that bully KH, and then do that ridiculous staggering about with a jumper over his head as he was 'so upset'. He could then be all alone again, instead of just a drunken arse going to bed.

Sorry, didn't convince me at all. No drunken self blame, no real crying, just message and self conscious over drama.
Noush
02-02-2015
Originally Posted by amyawake:
“Indeed...she has declared for all to hear "isolate the bastard" and said that she will persecute him until he leaves.

Also some of the definitions of being ostracised DO apply - e.g. Hopkins DOES cold shoulder him, avoids him, snubs him, cuts him dead, rejects and repudiates him....that's quite a lot isn't it?”

Yes it is a lot and Perez gives just as good as he gets if not worse but people are saying or at least implying that's he's been excluded from the entire group as opposed to ONE person disliking him.

As for the persecuting comment it was a figure of speech just like Perez's "I'll stick my dick up your ass" comment to Calum only nowhere near as offensive.
vald
02-02-2015
Originally Posted by erin_p:
“With Perez Hilton’s pal Nadia Sawalha out of the CBB house, it’s looking likely a lonely week ahead for the showbiz blogger.



Perez shed a tear after Nadia was evicted before him last night, much to delight of his fellow housemates.

Only Keith Chegwin seemed to see if he was alright while the others celebrated.

It wasn’t so much Nadia’s exit that they were happy with but more that Perez was now in the house alone.

Michelle Visage claimed of Perez being able to talk to other housemates: “Not going to happen.”

And Cami declared: “I hope he’s f**king miserable. He’s now going to have a meltdown. Who’s he going to try and speak to?”

Kavana seemed to reluctant to join in with the glee at seeing Perez down.




“I don’t want to make him… I know his actions have been f**king awful, but I don’t want him to be absolutely miserable,” he said. “I’m not going to not speak to him.”

But Cami was quick to try and get him back in line: “Don’t start,” she said.

“He is not a nice person,” she added.

The animosity towards Perez has no doubt increased following another huge row yesterday (Friday).

In scenes not yet shown – but expected to air this evening (Saturday) – Perez Hilton gets a formal warning after an argument with Calum Best.


Read more: http://tellymix.co.uk/reality-tv/big...#ixzz3QXUSKFMn
Follow us: @tellymix on Twitter | tellymix on Facebook”

Originally Posted by Noush:
“Yes it is a lot and Perez gives just as good as he gets if not worse but people are saying or at least implying that's he's been excluded from the entire group as opposed to ONE person disliking him.”

I refer you to erin's post above.
Menk
02-02-2015
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“I'm still not sure there isn't some 'fudge' there.

Their aim, even KH's was to stop him being horrible - even Patsy couldn't stand him when he was.

Nadia thought it was funny, apparantly, and thought they should just ignore him when he was being irritating or abusive, hence the anger at her.

I'm not sure it was EVER seriously 'all the time because we hate him'. Mind he could have been irritating nearly all the time, so no difference really.

It never got off the ground anyway.”

That's my problem - there was an 'aim'.

I can understand 'I just don't want to talk to him', 'Ignore him, he'll soon lose interest' 'I can't bear to be around him' as acceptable attitudes to the way he was/is, and that is probably how it would have played out by the majority of the HMs - everyone making up their own minds.

But, regardless of how successful it was, the attempt to influence all HMs on KH's part was taking it too far - pressure was even put on those who didn't fall in!
sandy50
02-02-2015
Originally Posted by erin_p:
“Katie H did give him 2 options to cry or get out the house
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DpxTWHfSrI”

wasn't this when the HMs were telling him to leave the 'girls' alone ? or was it for taunting Alexander ? can't remember he's caused so many issues in that house.

Katie H was the only one who pulled him up for being harrassingly irritating to other HMs

Great comment below that link:

I thought I would hate that woman, but she's ****ing amazing! I hope she has that sh*t-stain running for the hills


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erin_p
02-02-2015
Katie H also stated she wanted him isolated on the HL show day 18

Here’s what’s happen in Celebrity Big Brother 2015 with a recap of the past 24 hours.



The Housemates are gathered on the sofas, where it is revealed that Big Brother has been hacked. A series of previous conversations and Diary Room chats are then played out to the group, which cause a mixed reaction.

Big Brother then tells the Housemates that he has detected some corrupted audio files and they must help to identify who said each, in order to win a luxury shopping budget.

In the kitchen, Nadia tells Perez that nobody likes him in the House apart from her. Patsy disagrees and says that she does like him but not when he’s “like this” Perez then talks over Patsy, which frustrates her. He maintains, “I’m going to continue to goad. That’s me. I thrive on it.”

Patsy warns that it “it doesn’t make it a very nice environment and Nadia has compromised her entire time here looking after and protecting you…it’s fractured everything” Nadia maintains that she enjoys Perez’s company but admits, “being your friend is not an easy thing”

When a corrupt audio file is played into the House, the Housemate responsible must own up and explain the reason behind their comments. Perez is first to stand up and explain why he said that he thought Calum would be evicted over Alicia. When Perez suggests that the “showmance” between Cami-Li and Calum won’t happen because Calum has a girlfriend, Calum is visibly shocked before saying “it’s all good. All I can bring to the show is a f**king showmance” Katie Hopkins jokes, “Calum’s translation of ‘it’s all good’ means, ‘I’m going to fuc*ing kill him!’”

The next audio file played into the House is Calum describing Perez as manipulating. As he takes to the stand, Calum admits that Perez has “never been directly rude to me, but he’s been several different personalities” Following these revelations, Perez heads to the Diary Room.

Perez tells Big Brother that he is “loving today’s task” and suggests that it will help inform who he next nominates. He admits that “in the real world, I don’t find it easy to forgive, but I can forget. In the Big Brother House, I find it even harder to forgive and I absolutely don’t forget.” He goes on to say that he was “surprised and taken aback” by Calum’s comments and suggests that Katie Hopkins has been “brainwashing” people in the House.

For the second part of the task, Perez, Nadia and Cami-Li must guess the results of an online poll. As they discuss who to choose for each category, the other Housemates speculate who they think it could be. At one point, Katie Hopkins remarks about Nadia, “She’s like Poirot” The results of the online poll were:

o Most two faced – Perez

o Most sincere – Calum

o Most genuine – Michelle

o Most boring – Kavana

o Least trustworthy – Cami-Li

o Most entertaining – Katie Hopkins



o Most unhygienic – Perez

o Least self-obsessed – Keith

o As the Housemates did not correctly guess the answers, they failed this part of the task

In the living area, Nadia and Katie Hopkins disagree about Perez being manipulative. As Perez listens in, Katie admits that she wanted Nadia to leave on Friday because “isolated in this House, he is nothing and that would have been a joy for me”

She adds that she would like to lock Perez in the store room, before admitting that “thinks in the third person. It’s grandiose and I love it…I find myself very funny!” Michelle and Cami-Li then join the conversation, which becomes increasingly heated. Nadia becomes frustrated that she is being referred to as Perez’s mother in the House and maintains that “Just because I boil the f**king pasta doesn’t make me the mama”

Calum and Cami-Li are lying in bed together. As they hug, she jokes, “I worship the ground you walk on” before adding, “It probably looks like I’m giving you some kind of falacio”

For the final part of today’s task, Katie Price, Kavana and Calum must watch a series of videos and viewer’s Tweets, before answering questions about what they have seen. These include Katie Hopkins suggesting that Katie Price “just wants to find a man, but never will” and someone on Twitter who described her as “vulgar, indiscreet and common” The video is also played out to the other Housemates in the living area.

Perez is still angry about the Tweet used in the earlier task and when goaded by Katie Hopkins, he remarks, “Just whip out your d**k and I’ll suck on that” to which she responds, “It’s bigger than yours!”

Cami-Li tells Big Brother that Perez’s comments about her friendship with Calum “really upset” her. She goes on to say that “this man can’t even hold a friendship with a god ‘am flower…I can’t wait till Perez gets the f**k out of here”

In the living area, Perez’s comments on her supposed ‘showmance’ are still upsetting Cami-Li and she remarks that they despite flirting, boundaries would not be crossed. Perez then walks in and announces that it’s been “another edition of the Perez show” and that he loves that people talk about him. Katie Hopkins says that “me, myself and I” are Perez’s favourite words, and he agrees.

Perez goes to the Diary Room and says that Nadia is only person keeping him sane. He speculates that the Tweet was made up before demanding, “Open the f**king door, I’m done talking”, storming downstairs.

In the bedroom, Perez relays his conversation with Big Brother, but Nadia appears fed up, before taking Perez to the snug to talk. Perez tries to cover the cameras with blankets snug, but is advised against it by Nadia.


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sandy50
02-02-2015
On this - As Perez listens in, Katie admits that she wanted Nadia to leave on Friday because “isolated in this House, he is nothing and that would have been a joy for me”

Nothing new there. Katie H and the other HMs all know that Perez hid behind the coat tails of his minder, and enabler,Nadia,... knowing that as long as she was in the House , if anyone responded negatively to his playacting dramatic antics,......she'd speak up and defend him. Without Nadia in the House, the HMs will be treating him like the adult male 37 year old he is.
patsylimerick
02-02-2015
What Katie H wanted was a whipping boy. Ideally, she'd be the only one speaking to him. She was, to be fair to her,explicitly honest about this. She had and has a major issue with anyone speaking to him. She's famous for abusing people and she's on BB to demonstrate her tslent. It's all fairly obvious.
Noush
02-02-2015
Yeah yeah, watch this, the poor lamb looks soooooo ostracised.......NOT!

http://bigbrother.channel5.com/day-26-eyeliner-time

He is NOT being excluded in any way whatsoever and as I said before, if that bitch Nadia was in there he would never mingle with other people....SHE kept him isolated if anything, not Katie H. He's getting along with HM's ok maybe not great but still, I see no exclusion here at all.
Noush
02-02-2015
There's just been a tweet which shows Katie H said she's "slightly ok with Perez at the minute"....

There you have it, no isolation, getting along a better (now that Nadia's gone!) and they're ok.

I rest my case.
erin_p
02-02-2015
Originally Posted by Noush:
“There's just been a tweet which shows Katie H said she's "slightly ok with Perez at the minute"....

There you have it, no isolation, getting along a better (now that Nadia's gone!) and they're ok.

I rest my case.”

or BB has had a word
Lou17
02-02-2015
He never looked ostracised n the LF whenever we've had the opportunity to watch it. I think bb are spinning it more that way for storyline purposes.

Michelle claims to like him
Callum and kav have always bothered despite their feelings
Cheggers has clearly always entertained him
Kp seems to give him alot of time
Nadia obviously spent the most time with him
It only appears as though cami and Katie h don't bother to speak to him on a friendly basis, but from the way Pérez behaved towards the house early on he was unbearable. What's wrong with both of them cutting him off? As they stated attention only feeds him so why would they entertain him? If they did a 180 on him everyone would be saying they were fake and up his arse all of a sudden, at least they stick to their guns. Pérez's problem was playing too many hms at once early doors. He went in there to perform and has clearly annoyed many not knowing where they stand with his bipolar characteristics, why would many of them wise up and give him a wide birth in a game like bb he was the clear game player thus a threat.

For me Pérez has ostracised himself, as long as it doesn't turn malicious then he's made his own bed.
Lou17
02-02-2015
Originally Posted by Noush:
“Yeah yeah, watch this, the poor lamb looks soooooo ostracised.......NOT!

http://bigbrother.channel5.com/day-26-eyeliner-time

He is NOT being excluded in any way whatsoever and as I said before, if that bitch Nadia was in there he would never mingle with other people....SHE kept him isolated if anything, not Katie H. He's getting along with HM's ok maybe not great but still, I see no exclusion here at all.”

Yes she seemed to feed off it, I think her friendship with Pérez was simply self serving to Nadia ie his connections outside the house. Otherwise I can't make sense of her adamant loyalty to a guy that was clearly just playing the game?????? There only connection was their unwavering hatred of kh.
Noush
02-02-2015
Originally Posted by Lou17:
“Yes she seemed to feed off it, I think her friendship with Pérez was simply self serving to Nadia ie his connections outside the house. Otherwise I can't make sense of her adamant loyalty[/B] to a guy that was clearly just playing the game?????? There only connection was their unwavering hatred of kh.”

Exactly Lou and also such loyalty to a guy she's only known 3 weeks!
Lou17
02-02-2015
Originally Posted by Noush:
“Exactly Lou and also such loyalty to a guy she's only known 3 weeks! ”

Didn't make any sense what so ever, Nadia clearly had her reasons for alliencing with Pérez.
Vicky8675309
02-02-2015
Originally Posted by erin_p:
“Katie H did give him 2 options to cry or get out the house
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DpxTWHfSrI”

That was hard to watch and I am surprised that she still has fans who attempt to justify her behavior. He did nothing to warrant that kind of bullying and Alexander started the whole Alex/Perez situation and caused its escalation. Alex was shown to be the aggressive homophobic unstable person with rage issues.
Gnomsie
02-02-2015
You don't have to be ostracised to feel the effects of being ostracised.
To know a group of people don't actually want to talk to you, or are being told not to talk to you, yet still do include you (kind of) because they either have no choice or pity you, must be absolutely awful.
Even if you are annoying, or you do have a certain personality traits that can irritate people, it's saddening to see orchestrated attempts to isolate someone.
Bafar
02-02-2015
Originally Posted by Noush:
“I'm sick of reading and hearing that Perez is being bullied and ostracized because the simple truth is HE ISNT!

The man himself has said he does not need the money so it would be like asking you if you would do a job for a month when you had no need for money at all and the people at your work OSTRACISED you???? I don't think you would.....I wouldnt! So if Perez really finds it that bad, he has shown how angry and demanding he can get and I'm sure he'd just walk out....

BUT....

OSTRACISE :exclude from a society or group.
exclude, shun, spurn, cold-shoulder, give someone the cold shoulder, reject, repudiate, boycott, blackball, blacklist, cast off, cast out, shut out, avoid, ignore, snub, cut dead, keep at arm's length, leave out in the cold, bar, ban, debar, banish, exile, expel

No one in the house is doing any of these things to him! They even sit and eat with him and tell stories as we have seen tonight. He partakes in tasks. They may speak less to him than some others but I'm sorry he is neither being bullied or ostracised. Not even close!”

We see about 42 minutes out of 24 hours. He probably is given the cold shoulder a lot of the day. If the live feed was on, it would be seen. Its not and they arent going to have a highlight show made up of people whispering in corners, ignoring him and walking out of the room if he enters it are they.
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