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How exactly is Perez being "ostracised"???
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Lucypher
02-02-2015
You can't speculate or assume things then pronounce them as 'facts'.

I've seen Perez dancing with Katie H. I saw her clapping him and encouraging him in the task

Yes she was so upset and furious at what Perez did to Alex that she exploded and said SHE wanted to isolate him. That was her (justifiable) anger talking. But there's never been any plan or conspiracy to osrtracise him. Cami had good reason to dislike him as did Callum. Not anything to do with Katie.

Nothing anybody in that house has done is anywhere near to the contemptuous, arrogant and disdainful way Perez has behaved towards everybody in the house. His Diary Room rants have been rude and insulting. He's got no insight, no intelligence and no empathy, or ability to be outward looking. He's a self-serving, self-obsessed narcissist who rebuffs attempts to include him. He talks to nobody unless they he can use them for his own purposes.
River_Tam
02-02-2015
Katie H been keen to isolate and ostracise him. However he has made a massive effort to repel people. So at this stage hard to tell if people are obeying Katie H or genuinely would just rather not spend too much time with him feeding his voraciously hungry ego.
I suspect the latter is the case with most people despite Katie H's best efforts to rule the roost in this matter.
Bafar
02-02-2015
Originally Posted by Lucypher:
“You can't speculate or assume things then pronounce them as 'facts'.

I've seen Perez dancing with Katie H. I saw her clapping him and encouraging him in the task

Yes she was so upset and furious at what Perez did to Alex that she exploded and said SHE wanted to isolate him. That was her (justifiable) anger talking. But there's never been any plan or conspiracy to osrtracise him. Cami had good reason to dislike him as did Callum. Not anything to do with Katie.

Nothing anybody in that house has done is anywhere near to the contemptuous, arrogant and disdainful way Perez has behaved towards everybody in the house. His Diary Room rants have been rude and insulting. He's got no insight, no intelligence and no empathy, or ability to be outward looking. He's a self-serving, self-obsessed narcissist who rebuffs attempts to include him. He talks to nobody unless they he can use them for his own purposes.”

Ironic opening sentence, given the amount of fact pronunciation, assumption and speculation that followed it.
Lucypher
02-02-2015
Originally Posted by Bafar:
“Ironic opening sentence, given the amount of fact pronunciation, assumption and speculation that followed it.”

No, not at all. I've given facts where appropriate, and opinions, where needed.

I'm spot on with my analysis of the situation.
psy7ch
02-02-2015
Hopkins 100% attempted to isolate him. We know this because she stated it on several occasions. I don't know why it is even up for discussion.

The fact is though she failed mainly because 1. Nadia was having none of it 2. She didn't have control over Keith, Alicia and Katie P.

It has largely fizzled out as a result thankfully. It was really not a nice thing to see happening and Michelle in particular should be hanging her head in shame claiming to be the voice of the underdog, the misfit yet has spent her entire time in the bosom of the elitist and classist snob who has attempted to bully one HM.
anne_666
02-02-2015
Originally Posted by Noush:
“I'm sick of reading and hearing that Perez is being bullied and ostracized because the simple truth is HE ISNT!

The man himself has said he does not need the money so it would be like asking you if you would do a job for a month when you had no need for money at all and the people at your work OSTRACISED you???? I don't think you would.....I wouldnt! So if Perez really finds it that bad, he has shown how angry and demanding he can get and I'm sure he'd just walk out....

BUT....

OSTRACISE :exclude from a society or group.
exclude, shun, spurn, cold-shoulder, give someone the cold shoulder, reject, repudiate, boycott, blackball, blacklist, cast off, cast out, shut out, avoid, ignore, snub, cut dead, keep at arm's length, leave out in the cold, bar, ban, debar, banish, exile, expel

No one in the house is doing any of these things to him! They even sit and eat with him and tell stories as we have seen tonight. He partakes in tasks. They may speak less to him than some others but I'm sorry he is neither being bullied or ostracised. Not even close!”

What was this conversation about then?

http://bigbrother.channel5.com/day-2...-hes-miserable

Yes they've done most of the word's meaning, within the limits of the house.

Why change the basic truth? Not liking someone doesn't have to mean disbelieving the obvious and try to condone their bullying. This started on Day 9, how would anyone behave under that duress, especially a character like Perez. I think as we reach the end the gang will want to be seen in a better light, but many of us have seen and recognise what they've already done.
sandy50
02-02-2015
From 38.40 mins in
http://www.channel5.com/shows/celebr...episode-26-149
Drunk Perez ............ He says in the DR he wanted to make Final 4 (thought he did'nt care?)
If he thinks people haaaaate him in the House,,,,,,,,,,,
crikey.........he'd better be prepared when he comes out
.......and he'd better hope Eamonn Holmes isn't on the Panel on BOTS
amyawake
02-02-2015
Originally Posted by sandy50:
“From 38.40 mins in
http://www.channel5.com/shows/celebr...episode-26-149
Drunk Perez ............ He says in the DR he wanted to make Final 4 (thought he did'nt care?)
If he thinks people haaaaate him in the House,,,,,,,,,,,
crikey.........he'd better be prepared when he comes out
.......and he'd better hope Eamonn Holmes isn't on the Panel on BOTS ”

Ha he will eclipse Holmes with his colourful character!
Scamps8
02-02-2015
Katie H, Michelle, Perez and Katie P are all playing makeup together so he obviously isn't being ostracised. Just look at channel 5 website. They do loads together. Katie H made this comment weeks ago but doesn't carry it out and most of the time they seem to play nice. We only get to see 45 mins a night, BB isn't going to show everyone playing nice as it isn't good TV.
postit
02-02-2015
Originally Posted by JVS:
“Katie Hopkins has said she wanted he to be shunned. And Nadia was always criticised for befriending him - plus Hopkins and Michelle have discussed who he's going to find to spend time with now she's gone. Is the OP not watching the show?”

I honestly feel as though I'm watching a different programme sometimes. I guess some people see what they want to see, to fit it with their own skewed perspective.
postit
02-02-2015
Originally Posted by Gnomsie:
“You don't have to be ostracised to feel the effects of being ostracised.
To know a group of people don't actually want to talk to you, or are being told not to talk to you, yet still do include you (kind of) because they either have no choice or pity you, must be absolutely awful.
Even if you are annoying, or you do have a certain personality traits that can irritate people, it's saddening to see orchestrated attempts to isolate someone.”

Even more sad that some deluded people actually applaud such attempts. Gosh I'm so glad I don't live in their world.
sandy50
02-02-2015
Originally Posted by amyawake:
“Ha he will eclipse Holmes with his colourful character! ”

You really don't like her do you, everything is turned back to Katie H
Colourful ? 'warped' kind of overshadows his entertaining bits - He's very marmite I guess.
Whotoldyouthat
02-02-2015
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“Not what we saw tonight, but don't believe your own eyes if you want.”

The OP is just talking about tonight, are you responding to the right thread?
Helenbemerry
02-02-2015
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“I'm still not sure there isn't some 'fudge' there.

Their aim, even KH's was to stop him being horrible - even Patsy couldn't stand him when he was.

Nadia thought it was funny, apparantly, and thought they should just ignore him when he was being irritating or abusive, hence the anger at her.

I'm not sure it was EVER seriously 'all the time because we hate him'. Mind he could have been irritating nearly all the time, so no difference really.

It never got off the ground anyway.”

As he's irritating most of the time, it sounds as if they are just doing what Nadia said to do
amyawake
02-02-2015
Originally Posted by Scamps8:
“Katie H, Michelle, Perez and Katie P are all playing makeup together so he obviously isn't being ostracised. Just look at channel 5 website. They do loads together. Katie H made this comment weeks ago but doesn't carry it out and most of the time they seem to play nice. We only get to see 45 mins a night, BB isn't going to show everyone playing nice as it isn't good TV.”

Yes there is something in this. However they are there 24/7 and the odd game/eating together does not constitute most of the time, i.e. they must be mostly in their own cliques for the majority of the time. I am well aware of the effects of editing...i.e. who goes - the editing helps you decide!
Reeta_Taker
02-02-2015
Originally Posted by diesels hummin:
“What about the way Cami and Kavana both walked away when he was trying to give his side of the story ?”

Yea to be fair tho Cami did tell him she was sorry just going to the toilet.
Kav just craped himself in case he got caught alone with him.
Also Perez was on one 😊
diesels hummin
02-02-2015
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“Well, he gave his 'reaction' before/during them saying anything so...

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I have just watched this again and you are not right.
Noush
02-02-2015
Originally Posted by Bafar:
“We see about 42 minutes out of 24 hours. He probably is given the cold shoulder a lot of the day. If the live feed was on, it would be seen. Its not and they arent going to have a highlight show made up of people whispering in corners, ignoring him and walking out of the room if he enters it are they.”

But if that was the case I still think he would walk out. He is so hot tempered....I just don't think he or anyone would or COULD put up with being ignored most of the time in a confined place. But more to the point, even if he is being ignored he deserves it.
linmic
02-02-2015
Originally Posted by Noush:
“But if that was the case I still think he would walk out. He is so hot tempered....I just don't think he or anyone would or COULD put up with being ignored most of the time in a confined place. But more to the point, even if he is being ignored he deserves it.”

Three pages of this thread and you still think someone deserves to be ostracised.

Also, yes Peerez appears to be hot tempered but why on earth would he or should he walk out? Hes quite obviously strong minded enough not to be beaten by them.
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