DS Forums

 
 

The Fallacy that popularity equates worth


Reply
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 02-02-2015, 02:12
Melax
Inactive Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: UK
Posts: 866
One of us has misunderstood the definition of meme. It could be me,but I'm not sure.
The quintessential definition of an internet meme is "cat videos".
Melax is offline   Reply With Quote
Please sign in or register to remove this advertisement.
Old 02-02-2015, 02:28
dialectic
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 4,296
The quintessential definition of an internet meme is "cat videos".
True but not as much as the word 'meme'.....unfortunately.
dialectic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2015, 02:29
IWasBored
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 3,066
The Luckiest Ones Left First
IWasBored is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2015, 02:30
Melax
Inactive Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: UK
Posts: 866
True but not as much as the word 'meme'.....unfortunately.
Another narcissist? Join the club.
Melax is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2015, 02:37
dialectic
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 4,296
Another narcissist? Join the club.
It's all me me....me me....me me with you.
dialectic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2015, 02:40
Melax
Inactive Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: UK
Posts: 866
It's all me me....me me....me me with you.
You you you should know.
Melax is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2015, 02:42
Veri
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 90,778
...

BB is like a secondary school. You're forced into these associations and you work with what you've got. The most domineering and potentially abusive individuals are always popular. Think back. It's not affection as we understand real adult relationships, it's a combination of admiration for the resilience of the person, recognition of their ability to damage and fear of the consequences of being on their wrong side.
As I said another time when you said something like that, it doesn't fit my school experience very well at all. In any case, BB isn't very like secondary school, despite the popularity of stereotypes that seem to be from American high school films (like Richard's "Plastics" in bb7) or tv shows.

I wish it were more like school in some ways. Perez might have been expelled by now; and at least HMs could get away from his tactics when they went home.
Veri is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2015, 02:55
SULLA
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Black Country lad in Yorkshire
Posts: 118,057
My main problem with Katie Hopkins is that we don't get to see enough of her. BB concentrate far too much on Hilton.
SULLA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2015, 02:55
KissNoTell
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Up North
Posts: 8
This 21st century thing of calling anyone that somebody dislikes a narcissist is a very interesting meme. They all seem to quote from the same internet entry as well.
I understood Glitterlady's post to be about narcissistic personality disorder rather than narcissism which is quite different. It's a subject I've been doing some research on as someone close to me shows signs of the disorder & Katie Hopkins shares some personality traits with this person. (but I'm not going to go down the armchair psychologist route though, the similarities could be purely coincidental).

I do agree about pop psychology memes popping up everywhere, 'sociopath' is the one I've noticed the most.

Thanks to Patsy Limerick for starting a great thread, I've actually come out from the shadows because of her OP - I'm a lurker on my occasional visits. I think my last post on here was about biscuits. 😊
KissNoTell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2015, 03:06
dialectic
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 4,296
Repeatedly tonight the fact that Katie H was the most popular HM was cited as, variously, justification for her ISOLATE HIM commands and proof that there's another side to KH that the hls don't show. Let's, for the moment ignore the fact that the one contradicts the other, and examine the jist of the point.

BB is like a secondary school. You're forced into these associations and you work with what you've got. The most domineering and potentially abusive individuals are always popular. Think back. It's not affection as we understand real adult relationships, it's a combination of admiration for the resilience of the person, recognition of their ability to damage and fear of the consequences of being on their wrong side.
I may have missed something on tonight's show but to whom do you direct this fallacy?
Is it the HMs or the viewers? BIB Was cited by who?
dialectic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2015, 03:18
Melax
Inactive Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: UK
Posts: 866
I may have missed something on tonight's show but to whom do you direct this fallacy?
Is it the HMs or the viewers? BIB Was cited by who?
Me too. repeated reading didn't help. Is this in favour of or against Katie Hopkins?
OP went to a tough school though.


Edit: Superbowl over. I'm out.
Melax is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2015, 04:40
Lucypher
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 1,486
I'm a bit lost in this thread full of vague, meandering suppositions and pseudo- psychological profiling.

It's told me nothing about Katie and everything about the mass projections of her antagonists. Most revealing.
Lucypher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2015, 09:07
patsylimerick
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 18,703
I may have missed something on tonight's show but to whom do you direct this fallacy?
Is it the HMs or the viewers? BIB Was cited by who?
On threads on DSBB
patsylimerick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2015, 09:11
patsylimerick
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 18,703
Me too. repeated reading didn't help. Is this in favour of or against Katie Hopkins?
OP went to a tough school though.


Edit: Superbowl over. I'm out.
Not particularly, no.
patsylimerick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2015, 09:12
jeanoj
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: London
Posts: 19,833
If Hopkins wins there are many that will be very disappointed .
Whoever wins there will be many that are disappointed. It is the nature of the game.
jeanoj is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2015, 09:12
patsylimerick
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 18,703
I'm a bit lost in this thread full of vague, meandering suppositions and pseudo- psychological profiling.

It's told me nothing about Katie and everything about the mass projections of her antagonists. Most revealing.
What's a 'mass' projection?
patsylimerick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2015, 09:39
muggins14
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: The Pit of Despair
Posts: 50,183
One of us has misunderstood the definition of meme. It could be me,but I'm not sure.
Don't you mean meme?

What's a 'mass' projection?
It's that thing that was sticking out of Perez' trousers the other night

The fallacy that popularity equates worth - the story of the rise of Katie Hopkins really.

She appears on a reality TV show, gobs off at Lord Sugar, becomes noticed by some people. The press make a big issue about her gobbiness and the viewers enjoy it, they start printing all the nasty things she says. People who read that press start following her on Twitter and reading about her more in the media. She gobs off more, people take note - cause if the media are paying her attention, she MUST be saying something of note, something important, surely? It snowballs from there and she ends up on CBB.

Within the confines of the BB house, I think the reason she's popular is because of her conflict with Perez and the fact that she can use long words in a sentence make her seem like the intelligent choice, the right horse to back in the Perez/Hopkins race. She keeps telling them she's smart, she keeps telling them she's open and honest, eventually many of them start believing it was their opinion to begin with. Along with all that 'isolate him' mantra, they can see clearly that she would isolate them at the drop of a hat, they don't want that so they toe the line and do as they are told.

Not sure, with all your long words Patsy, that that is even relevant to your OP but there you go, that's my tuppence worth.
muggins14 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2015, 09:57
amyawake
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 5,160
We are all narcissists, we just didn't know it yet.
Disagree....some of us are spiritually focused, i.e. not ego focused.
amyawake is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2015, 10:00
amyawake
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 5,160
I'm a bit lost in this thread full of vague, meandering suppositions and pseudo- psychological profiling.

It's told me nothing about Katie and everything about the mass projections of her antagonists. Most revealing.
So you don't see she has a problem with being nice? She has said that it is fake!....So, not projection then!
amyawake is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2015, 10:12
dorydaryl
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Getting on with it...
Posts: 12,840
One problem is that genuinely 'nice' people often lack the venom to stand up to someone like KH in language that she understands. Therefore, it reinforces her perspective that she is in the right and others are weaker whereas in truth she is one hundred times more emotionally backward than the people she sneers at.
dorydaryl is offline Follow this poster on Twitter   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2015, 11:44
Conehead
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 9,918
KH - self described battered daffodil = a c@@t like a narcissus.
Conehead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2015, 12:01
Reeta_Taker
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 235
Serfs and drones submit with pleasure to dominating dictators.
Meanwhile Price reminisces on a lifetime of phalluses.
Haha fabulous 😊
Reeta_Taker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-02-2015, 13:07
Veri
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 90,778
I think it's a combination of the perceived popularity of Hopkins aligned with the notion that Perez is universally hated (though he has done nothing in the house to deserve that) that encourages weak people to hide under the shadow of Hopkins.

And it is indeed a shadow. Only dark, no light. When the sheep leave the house to be questioned by rational, normal human beings only then will they understand how they have collectively, completely f***ed up.
So unlike most shadows, then.
Veri is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-02-2015, 13:13
anne_666
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 30,190
One problem is that genuinely 'nice' people often lack the venom to stand up to someone like KH in language that she understands. Therefore, it reinforces her perspective that she is in the right and others are weaker whereas in truth she is one hundred times more emotionally backward than the people she sneers at.
Never mind. One day she may grow out of adolescence.
anne_666 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-02-2015, 13:13
OMGItsAnnie
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 1,982
I think it's a combination of the perceived popularity of Hopkins aligned with the notion that Perez is universally hated (though he has done nothing in the house to deserve that) that encourages weak people to hide under the shadow of Hopkins.

And it is indeed a shadow. Only dark, no light. When the sheep leave the house to be questioned by rational, normal human beings only then will they understand how they have collectively, completely f***ed up.
You are joking right? Clearly you haven't been watching the same show. He's a vile despicable man who deserves everything he gets.
OMGItsAnnie is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply




 
Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 05:50.