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Katie Hopkins a 'winner'...?
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Scarlett Berry
02-02-2015
She is a self righteous, ignorant nasty bigot and NOTHING she sprouts bears any relation to what I think. I loathe her. She truly is a despicable woman.
AurelieJolie
02-02-2015
Originally Posted by bootyache:
“Seriously???


I'm laughing at this post and I know it's for the wrong reasons. But there we go.

BIB. Do you really believe that is how people think? And "A perfectly normal person"???

With respect, I think perhaps you best speak for yourself.

I wouldn't dream of thinking like this about an obese person.

I'm not obese BTW. ”

I know! I also laughed and am still laughing at that post. And poster. Katie Hopkins may indeed say what many people are thinking but I draw the line at those people being classed as "normal". Or I stand proudly in the abnormal camp.
SAFC_Derry
02-02-2015
I know some people including myself can post some drivel but seriously! Statements like "saying what other people think" "NORMAL people" blah blah blah, it's now getting tedious and quite ridiculous. KH is a troll no better than the average numptie on the Internet, why do you think she hasn't furthered her career or is taken seriously by anyone other than those who are easily led and of a certain intellect. It's another argument whether you should just ignore her statements or support her (even in the platform of BB) as by doing so you ARE condoning her behaviour. You can't cherry pick through bits of her character as she comes as package warts and All. If history has shown us anything it's how dangerous it can be to ignore extremism or it's support. How to deal with it is another argument.
amyawake
02-02-2015
Originally Posted by jimdan:
“It is pretty certain that Katie will finish in the top 2 at least but that isn't the intent of your post I suspect. Katie Hopkins has a sense of humour that a large portion of the public appreciate, even if you don't.

Most of what she says is said "tongue in cheek" and whilst the more sensitive souls can take offense, her intention is to verbalise what many "normal" people are thinking. Let me give you an example...

You are walking down the pavement in a hurry to get to work. In front of you is a rather obese woman, carrying shopping bags who is preventing you from passing. A perfectly normal person would think to themselves "I wish this fat person would get out of my way or at least lose some weight so that I can pass". Now no-one would say that sort of thing out loud and what Katie Hopkins does is to actually say it or write it in her blog.

It is a mute point as to whether Katie should put words to the thoughts or whether she should bite her lip like most of us do, however there is a sense of comedy about someone having the balls to put words to some thoughts.”

Unfortunately it's not just obese people she dislikes though is it? Gingers, northerners, tattooed people...it's a very long list...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrit...ements-3787639
amyawake
02-02-2015
Originally Posted by Scarlett Berry:
“From the first night I said she would win. Nasties always triumph on BB these days.”

That does seem to be the pattern of late, i.e. Helen Woods, Charlotte Crosby...(rolls eyes).

Hopkins is a bigot and a bully. Unfortunately there are many of those types of people in our society.

I also see that she is ahead here in the LEAST favourite HM!
Tissy
02-02-2015
Originally Posted by vald:
“BIB Does that also apply to a couple walking together, or a mother holding the hand of her small child, or an elderly person with a walking aid. When did people become so impatient and intolerant.

Making this woman a winner is a vote for intolerance, racism, bigotry and, yes, bullying.”

One would think pavements were only meant for people in a hurry to get to work
humpty dumpty
02-02-2015
Originally Posted by AurelieJolie:
“I know! I also laughed and am still laughing at that post. And poster. Katie Hopkins may indeed say what many people are thinking but I draw the line at those people being classed as "normal". Or I stand proudly in the abnormal camp.”

For some of those ridiculous and ignorant statements she's said outside of the house, I would agree.

But my comments on her are to do with her behaviour inside the house. and for me, it's much less about the opinion and whether I would agree with it or not, and more about how she goes out of her way to see the negative in others and then voices those opinions in order to hurt or mock others. it's her cruel nature and nasty intentions more than her actual opinion that puts me off her.
jimdan
02-02-2015
Originally Posted by humpty dumpty:
“Whether she should say or not say is the point, it's why people dislike her (whether they agree with the particular opinion or not). I don't even think it's a case of 'biting her tongue'....the insults I've seen her give out haven't been said in the heat of the moment, but are deliberate choices to demean someone else - she choses to voice such an opinion when she's not angry, when there's no need for it, when nothing beneficial will come from it apart from hurting that person. Her intentions are therefore mean and designed to hurt others. This is what puts people off Katie H even more than that opinion itself (even although those opinions are usually always negative anyway)

As I said in another thread, while I may agree that Alicia might not be very intelligent, I don't enjoy seeing her mocked publicly for it. Same goes for her mean spirited comments about Katie Ps love life, mocking Patsys insecurities, Perezs weight etc. I find all that meanness not only unecessary and cruel, but not pleasant to watch for the person it's aimed at. The fact many find it 'comical' or 'entertaining' baffles me.”

I agree that few people voice their true thoughts and quite often do so only when angry, irritated etc. However, I think you take a very negative view of Katie Hopkins intent when she voices her, and many others, thoughts.

I don't actually see her comments as meaningfully hurtful. They are only intended as social commentary albeit with a serious therapeutic effect. If no one were to mention the fact that Britain's were getting more and more obese through time and that obesity is a lifestyle choice then where the heck are we all going to end up?

Having to build bigger seats in airplanes, use more fabric for clothes, knock down and rebuild all public loos, use twice the materials to make seats, settees etc

Social commentary is not meant to be a popularity contest, it is intended as a serious jibe towards society in the hope that some good will come of its content. Exploiting various fields of communication like TV, newspapers, Reality Shows etc is merely using existing vehicles to effect change.

As for Katie P's love life, it may not bother you a fig, but caring journalists are united in the calamity of a Katie Price brand that most teenage girls find appealing but that choice of adoration brings with it leaking boobs, constant wrong choices of men and increasing social unrest not to mention excessive divorce rates. It is perfectly right that someone like Katie Hopkins speaks out against these role models who have far too great an influence on our children. Yes, she makes a serious point in her jibery.

As for Alicia, I think it is noble and brave of Katie to highlight the ever decreasing standards of education in Britain where English is bastardised to the extent that it is hardly recognisable and more and more television ad's contain inexcusable spelling mistakes not to mention presenters who's English, whilst adversely influencing our children, is hardly recognisable as the standard British language.
Tissy
02-02-2015
Originally Posted by humpty dumpty:
“For some of those ridiculous and ignorant statements she's said outside of the house, I would agree.

But my comments on her are to do with her behaviour inside the house. and for me, it's much less about the opinion and whether I would agree with it or not, and more about how she goes out of her way to see the negative in others and then voices those opinions in order to hurt or mock others. it's her cruel nature and nasty intentions more than her actual opinion that puts me off her.”

Agree, she is cruel and always targets hms weaknesses
When that fails she resorts to childish name calling - quite a pathetic sad individual.

Hope she finds a planet someone with like minded people.
*Laura*
02-02-2015
I think this CBB is Cheggers' to lose. He hasn't put a foot wrong. Even his "dirty protest" was done in a dignified way. Katie H should be in the final four (maybe even runner-up) but, I would be very surprised if she won.
Penny Crayon
02-02-2015
Originally Posted by Monty_Brewster:
“Does it matter what's she done outside of the house? Who should win CBB is the question and for me, she should, based on her time in the house. If you're going to pre-judged housemates before they go in then the vote is pointless.”

Inside or outside she's a nasty piece of work.

I was prepared to give her the benefit of the doubt - I actually dislike her more now than I did before. Before it was 'general' abuse - I see now that she's capable of making it personal and she's not above using people (who she'd normally look down upon) to benefit herself.

Horrible person.
amyawake
02-02-2015
Originally Posted by jeanoj:
“I don't understand why people get so hung up on what Katie says. She is one person in a world of millions and there are far worse things to worry about. I don't really care what she says as it doesn't have any affect on my life.”

Well the point is that we are discussing CBB and she is in there....very prominently so, i.e. appearing to call a lot of the shots. I care about the effect she has on viewers/general public since, unfortunately, she is in an influential position and is a bigot and a bully.

Of course there are far worse things to worry about. This is just a game show and we are here to discuss it.
amyawake
02-02-2015
Originally Posted by Scarlett Berry:
“She is a self righteous, ignorant nasty bigot and NOTHING she sprouts bears any relation to what I think. I loathe her. She truly is a despicable woman.”

*sound of applause!!!
Penny Crayon
02-02-2015
Originally Posted by SAFC_Derry:
“I know some people including myself can post some drivel but seriously! Statements like "saying what other people think" "NORMAL people" blah blah blah, it's now getting tedious and quite ridiculous. KH is a troll no better than the average numptie on the Internet, why do you think she hasn't furthered her career or is taken seriously by anyone other than those who are easily led and of a certain intellect. It's another argument whether you should just ignore her statements or support her (even in the platform of BB) as by doing so you ARE condoning her behaviour. You can't cherry pick through bits of her character as she comes as package warts and All. If history has shown us anything it's how dangerous it can be to ignore extremism or it's support. How to deal with it is another argument.”

100% agree with that. I've mentioned it a few times on here but think it's probably a bit too deep.

I do think it's worrying that Hopkins views are so widely endorsed and she seems to be adored and feted by the majority. Unfortunately I think it is indicative of the political climate we're living in. It's not funny.
Tissy
02-02-2015
Originally Posted by jimdan:
“I agree that few people voice their true thoughts and quite often do so only when angry, irritated etc. However, I think you take a very negative view of Katie Hopkins intent when she voices her, and many others, thoughts.

I don't actually see her comments as meaningfully hurtful. They are only intended as social commentary albeit with a serious therapeutic effect. If no one were to mention the fact that Britain's were getting more and more obese through time and that obesity is a lifestyle choice then where the heck are we all going to end up?

Having to build bigger seats in airplanes, use more fabric for clothes, knock down and rebuild all public loos, use twice the materials to make seats, settees etc

Social commentary is not meant to be a popularity contest, it is intended as a serious jibe towards society in the hope that some good will come of its content. Exploiting various fields of communication like TV, newspapers, Reality Shows etc is merely using existing vehicles to effect change.

As for Katie P's love life, it may not bother you a fig, but caring journalists are united in the calamity of a Katie Price brand that most teenage girls find appealing but that choice of adoration brings with it leaking boobs, constant wrong choices of men and increasing social unrest not to mention excessive divorce rates. It is perfectly right that someone like Katie Hopkins speaks out against these role models who have far too great an influence on our children. Yes, she makes a serious point in her jibery.

As for Alicia, I think it is noble and brave of Katie to highlight the ever decreasing standards of education in Britain where English is bastardised to the extent that it is hardly recognisable and more and more television ad's contain inexcusable spelling mistakes not to mention presenters who's English, whilst adversely influencing our children, is hardly recognisable as the standard British language.”

... She has been an accessory in at least two divorces that I have heard of so has done her share in escalating the divorce rate.
ForGodsSake
02-02-2015
Originally Posted by jimdan:
“It is pretty certain that Katie will finish in the top 2 at least but that isn't the intent of your post I suspect. Katie Hopkins has a sense of humour that a large portion of the public appreciate, even if you don't.

Most of what she says is said "tongue in cheek" and whilst the more sensitive souls can take offense, her intention is to verbalise what many "normal" people are thinking. Let me give you an example...

You are walking down the pavement in a hurry to get to work. In front of you is a rather obese woman, carrying shopping bags who is preventing you from passing. A perfectly normal person would think to themselves "I wish this fat person would get out of my way or at least lose some weight so that I can pass". Now no-one would say that sort of thing out loud and what Katie Hopkins does is to actually say it or write it in her blog.

It is a mute point as to whether Katie should put words to the thoughts or whether she should bite her lip like most of us do, however there is a sense of comedy about someone having the balls to put words to some thoughts.”

It's so easy for her to say something is "tongue in cheek" to validate what she says as a joke.
She is just a cruel, vile, crass, obnoxious, poisonous bully.
Reeta_Taker
02-02-2015
I have got to the stage over the last few years where I don't care who wins as it can only lead to disappointment 😵
Darcyprincess
02-02-2015
Originally Posted by Holly-M:
“The bookies are usually pretty accurate, and punters have her favourite to win. I see she is also favourite on the poll on here.
Amongst whom though is she popular; what type of person? Who could possibly want to see such an ignorant and deliberately offensive person rewarded as a 'winner'? I realise that winning big brother is hardly a badge of honour, but even so She's like a female bernard manning, though her crass and offensive comments (tweets that are generally racist, prejudiced, ignorant - about everything from nationality to suicide - are her genuine views; she doesn't attempt to excuse them as black comedy/gallows humour).
So are the majority of people who vote on big brother kindred spirits of hopkins, ie equally as narrow minded and ignorant as she is? Perhaps this is all a big experiment (like the one she did ridiculing fat people) where she attempts to prove there IS truth in the middle 'engurland' stereotype, and she's going to expose it all in it's grotty/daily mail esque glory at some point? I really am stumped on this one.”

I agree totally, why would anybody want a nasty piece of work and so nasty and outspoken want somebody like Hopkins to win, I most certainly don't! I cannot stand the woman and I think that she is totally, totally FAKE !!!!!! Please get Hopkins out tonight!!!!
Darcyprincess
02-02-2015
Originally Posted by ForGodsSake:
“It's so easy for her to say something is "tongue in cheek" to validate what she says as a joke.
She is just a cruel, vile, crass, obnoxious, poisonous bully.”

Exactly this!!!!
SAFC_Derry
02-02-2015
Originally Posted by Tissy:
“Agree, she is cruel and always targets hms weaknesses
When that fails she resorts to childish name calling - quite a pathetic sad individual.

Hope she finds a planet someone with like minded people.”

I agree, what I can't comprehend is her being classed as entertaining. She is a coward who through her lack of whit or intelligence resorts to child like name calling or face pulling.
Darcyprincess
02-02-2015
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“Inside or outside she's a nasty piece of work.

I was prepared to give her the benefit of the doubt - I actually dislike her more now than I did before. Before it was 'general' abuse - I see now that she's capable of making it personal and she's not above using people (who she'd normally look down upon) to benefit herself.

Horrible person.”

I totally agree with you Penny, I also dislike Hopkins more than before and I'm astounded that ANYBODY actually likes her much less wants this woman to win! I think she uses people for her own means and because KATIE Price is not towing the line and has seen through her gameplan just like Nadia did, Hopkins is now isolating her and trying to get others to nominate her. What's the betting that even though Michelle liked Pricey she would have nominated her yesterday after Hopkins convincing her that she is not in their team as Michelle said and is basically the next person to vote for! Hopkins is truly a manipulating bitch!
Tissy
02-02-2015
Originally Posted by amyawake:
“Unfortunately it's not just obese people she dislikes though is it? Gingers, northerners, tattooed people...it's a very long list...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrit...ements-3787639”

Has she commented to Cami and Calum re their tattoos or are they acceptable because they're members of 'Her' group?
SAFC_Derry
02-02-2015
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“100% agree with that. I've mentioned it a few times on here but think it's probably a bit too deep.

I do think it's worrying that Hopkins views are so widely endorsed and she seems to be adored and feted by the majority. Unfortunately I think it is indicative of the political climate we're living in. It's not funny.”

Agree there is extremism on both sides, the difficult thing is how to deal with it. Vilifying or isolating it only hardens it's support. It should be pointed out that it is not acceptable and be inclusive and dealt with through debate, something well above my pay grade
bigBro2011
02-02-2015
Originally Posted by SegaGamer:
“During the last summer series they got pretty much every single one wrong.

I don't understand why people put faith in the bookies, they don't know anymore than we do, it's just guess work. There is a reason it is called gambling.”

why comment without having even a tiny amount of knowledge on the subject?


Replace guess work with implied probability ....just for a starting point


Bookmakers do not drive the markets fgs wight of money does......They dont care who wins as long as they price the event to a 120% book...


you are looking at it in a silly way , they only price up when the book opens and it takes next to nothing to start to move the line, fluctuations are a real thing and its done through WOM , false moves and corrections ONLY


they will rake it in this year just like every year , they are NEVER WRONG
humpty dumpty
02-02-2015
Originally Posted by jimdan:
“I agree that few people voice their true thoughts and quite often do so only when angry, irritated etc. However, I think you take a very negative view of Katie Hopkins intent when she voices her, and many others, thoughts.

I don't actually see her comments as meaningfully hurtful. They are only intended as social commentary albeit with a serious therapeutic effect. If no one were to mention the fact that Britain's were getting more and more obese through time and that obesity is a lifestyle choice then where the heck are we all going to end up?

Having to build bigger seats in airplanes, use more fabric for clothes, knock down and rebuild all public loos, use twice the materials to make seats, settees etc

Social commentary is not meant to be a popularity contest, it is intended as a serious jibe towards society in the hope that some good will come of its content. Exploiting various fields of communication like TV, newspapers, Reality Shows etc is merely using existing vehicles to effect change.

As for Katie P's love life, it may not bother you a fig, but caring journalists are united in the calamity of a Katie Price brand that most teenage girls find appealing but that choice of adoration brings with it leaking boobs, constant wrong choices of men and increasing social unrest not to mention excessive divorce rates. It is perfectly right that someone like Katie Hopkins speaks out against these role models who have far too great an influence on our children. Yes, she makes a serious point in her jibery.

As for Alicia, I think it is noble and brave of Katie to highlight the ever decreasing standards of education in Britain where English is bastardised to the extent that it is hardly recognisable and more and more television ad's contain inexcusable spelling mistakes not to mention presenters who's English, whilst adversely influencing our children, is hardly recognisable as the standard British language.”

My posts above were responding to two things - one about whether we agree with Katie H's opinons and the other was in response to your post where you said you found her behaviour comical.

As much as I think many of her ignorant, ill-informed and childish statements outside the house have been ridiculous....my comments are only on what I've seen of her in the house as thats what we're supposed to be talking about.

Of course we all have opinions on society and the rights and wrongs of it. Whether its publicly on TV or privately amongst our friends. I know I have plenty, and plenty that I voice and discuss too.

Now if you believe that when Katie H decided to use her 'entertainment slot' in the BB task to mock Alicias 'one braincell' that she was doing so in order to highlight the failings of the English education system; that when she announced to others in front of Perez that his back resembled a whales, that she was doing so in order to highlight the obesity crisis in Britain today; that when she sensed a nervous, lack of assertiveness with Patsy and decided to patronisingly interrogate her in order to get her more up tight and nervous, that she was doing so in order to highlight the importance of being a strong women in society; that when she felt the need to point out that Keiths jokes were boring, that she was doing so in order to highlight how comedy has progressed through the decades...well, we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one.

Because for me, all of the above examples (and there are plenty more) amount to nothing more than Katie H trying to mock/insult/patronise other people unecessarily. And I don't find it comical or entertaining. She does it either because she enjoys people feeling bad, or because shes so unkind and insensitive that she doesn't actually realise that they will feel bad, or because she thinks it will make her look entertaining. I'm not quite sure which one it is (possibly a combination) but either way it puts her character in a bad light for me. Rude, unkind, no tact or consideration and COMPLETELY UNECESSARY.

Having a teenage daughter myself, I'm very interested in the English education system, pupils failings and debates on how things can improve. I'm more than aware of how vacuous, superficial and vain many of our celebrities are - and that includes Katie Price and have many discussions with my daughter about it too. There are many experts on TV as well as friends at work/home who can debate important issues of the day. I may even agree with one or two of Katie Hopkins political viewpoints on the outside (not many, but there may be a few!) But this has nothing to do with what I've seen of Katie Hopkins character in the BB house and I've mentioned above about what I think of her. And as much as I hope that Katie P would never be a role model that my daughter would aspire to being, I feel exactly the same way about Katie H too.
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