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Old 03-02-2015, 11:54
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We can all be pretty sensitive when an analogy or something touches a nerve about people we know or something we have gone through. I am sorry if it did that to you but we can't stop people using analogies etc because of that if we did we could never say anything for fear it will upset someone.
I could understand if it was someone who was naive to the subject but he's a gay man and knows all about the virus and how many people have suffered. If anyone I feel sorry for him! Thank you for understanding though and I do completely see where your coming from.
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Old 03-02-2015, 12:03
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I just said I made a mistake it was anthrax not cancer.
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Old 03-02-2015, 12:05
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I could understand if it was someone who was naive to the subject but he's a gay man and knows all about the virus and how many people have suffered. If anyone I feel sorry for him! Thank you for understanding though and I do completely see where your coming from.
Perhaps that is why he used it, it was first thing he thought of, I don't think he did it to hurt anyone just a thoughtless comment.

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No problem it happens
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Old 03-02-2015, 12:19
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Precisely. He never compared his suffering of trauma to this condition but there are a lot of knee jerk reactions on here.
He thinks the trauma of the house was worse than the death of his father; now he thinks he shares the plight of AIDS suffferers. The man is histrionic.
I can well understand why the others want nothing to do with him.
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Old 03-02-2015, 12:23
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He thinks the trauma of the house was worse than the death of his father; now he thinks he shares the plight of AIDS suffferers. The man is histrionic.
I can well understand why the others want nothing to do with him.
Someone with sense using the word 'sufferers' rather than 'Victims'.
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Old 03-02-2015, 12:23
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Well said. I can only think some people deliberately "play thick".
It's called trolling I believe.
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Old 03-02-2015, 12:29
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You would wonder how do people deal with Perez in the real world? Does he have any friends.

He comes across as very unpalatable.
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Old 03-02-2015, 12:30
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He is such a selfish idiot. Me me me
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Old 03-02-2015, 12:40
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Now if you watched/listened properly you'll know that's not what he meant.

During the 80's people were very afraid of AIDS and didn't really understand how it was contracted. AIDS suffers were often shunned and alienated - he said that was how he was feeling.

Rather like EBOLA nowadays I'd think - but the Hopkins knows all about ridiculing and being cruel to EBOLA victims doesn't she.

The hypocrisy of the woman knows no bounds.
Its not about the AIDS victims it about how they were treated in the 80's people won't even shake their hands or use the same toilet seat.

Some people need to read this.

http://socialistworker.co.uk/art/246...%E2%80%99+myth
Absolutely.

The amount of posters choosing to completely ignore why he said it is laughable.

He feels he is being ostracised / left out / shunned. The same way AIDS sufferers were treated in the 80's.

What is so hard to understand about his analogy?
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Old 03-02-2015, 12:48
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Absolutely.

The amount of posters choosing to completely ignore why he said it is laughable.

He feels he is being ostracised / left out / shunned. The same way AIDS sufferers were treated in the 80's.

What is so hard to understand about his analogy?
Nothing.

It's very simple.
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Old 03-02-2015, 12:59
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Perhaps that is why he used it, it was first thing he thought of, I don't think he did it to hurt anyone just a thoughtless comment.

No problem it happens
Yes I think it's pretty obvious he used it because it's familiar to himself and of course Michelle. I think it's also worth stressing that he compared his alienation by others to the alienation of AIDS victims in the 80s. It wasn't so much about the disease but society's reaction.

I think if you take these 2 things into consideration you can see it was a bit crass but not deeply malicious.
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Old 03-02-2015, 13:22
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I would rather her not open her gobshite mouth, the shit that rolls from it is vulgar.
This from someone who feels that Perez can do no wrong! Before you make those sort of ill informed misjudged comments.....why not look at what Perez has actually said but I guess comparing his suffering to being an AIDS victim, being more traumatised by Nadia leaving and others showing their distaste for his behaviour, than the death of his father. Oh and of course wanting Cami and Chloe to have a lesbian relationship for the cameras, him wanting to shove his "huge dick" up Calum's arse, calling his HM's, BB and the viewers "mother****ers" to name but a few instances is the height of manners?

While I am at it........actually writing that people are gobshites and shit comes out of their mouths.....I see you must have got your money back from the same charm school as Perez
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Old 03-02-2015, 13:25
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This from someone who feels that Perez can do no wrong! Before you make those sort of ill informed misjudged comments.....why not look at what Perez has actually said but I guess comparing his suffering to being an AIDS victim, being more traumatised by Nadia leaving and others showing their distaste for his behaviour, than the death of his father. Oh and of course wanting Cami and Chloe to have a lesbian relationship for the cameras, him wanting to shove his "huge dick" up Calum's arse, calling his HM's, BB and the viewers "mother****ers" to name but a few instances is the height of manners?

While I am at it........actually writing that people are gobshites and shit comes out of their mouths.....I see you must have got your money back from the same charm school as Perez
I don't think anyone has said he is well mannered or charming even, but people are taking what he says rather more seriously than he means it when he says it and misconstruing what he means when he says it.
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Old 03-02-2015, 13:33
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I don't think anyone has said he is well mannered or charming even, but people are taking what he says rather more seriously than he means it when he says it and misconstruing what he means when he says it.
How do you know what he means?
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Old 03-02-2015, 13:39
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Personally my blood was boiling. I agree people were and STILL are ostracised. HIV research has come on in leaps and bounds but I have friends with the virus and they still get shit from shallow minded people. Perez statement made sense it was just extremely distasteful. As was the cancer statement.
I can understand why it might. I don't think that his intention was such though.
I am sorry your friends have to go through it still.
Sometimes though, right or strong a strong and maybe ill advised statement like those two get people talking, thinking and understanding to a point.
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Old 03-02-2015, 13:44
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I could understand if it was someone who was naive to the subject but he's a gay man and knows all about the virus and how many people have suffered. If anyone I feel sorry for him! Thank you for understanding though and I do completely see where your coming from.
HIV isn't just the 'gays' virus as it was once thought to be, it's everyone's virus and we're all capable of getting it.

Maybe in a small way and unbeknown and unintended way to Perez, he has opened up a small debate. (no he need not take credit for it) You were able to vent your frustration that you feel for your friends and we were able to remind people just how dreadful people can be to people who have diseases that others fear and more to the point don't understand.
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Old 03-02-2015, 13:44
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I don't think anyone has said he is well mannered or charming even, but people are taking what he says rather more seriously than he means it when he says it and misconstruing what he means when he says it.
Perhaps if it was one isolated incident but it isn't. He uses phrases, words and analogies that are deliberately inflammatory to cause as much antagonism and bad feeling as he can......and then tries to mitigate it by saying "I didnt mean it like that" or "its the way I felt" while all the time complaining that he is unhappy because people don't like him. Quite honestly, and this is only my opinion, everything he says is designed to have exactly that effect because he thrives on attention. Attention like publicity in his eyes is all good, no matter who it hurts or offends and I am fearful that one day he will take it too far and a black eye will be the least of his problems.
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Old 03-02-2015, 13:45
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How do you know what he means?
Well I think it was quite clear that he wasn't comparing it to actually having the disease.

He was comparing peoples reactions towards him. It's really only like saying 'I was treated like a Leper' - which is quite a common analogy isn't it? I have never heard anyone getting irate on behalf of people with Leprosy.

It was a tad dramatic. That is all.
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Old 03-02-2015, 14:18
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How do you know what he means?
Same way others do by watching the show and listening to what they say.
Well I think it was quite clear that he wasn't comparing it to actually having the disease.

He was comparing peoples reactions towards him. It's really only like saying 'I was treated like a Leper' - which is quite a common analogy isn't it? I have never heard anyone getting irate on behalf of people with Leprosy.

It was a tad dramatic. That is all.
Exactly !
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Old 03-02-2015, 14:27
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He's pointing out feeling excluded makes him feel different in a negative way similar to how gays felt in the 80s during the AIDS scare when people were afraid of them.

Next time you find the blatantly f***ing obvious confusing just let me know I'll explain it all for you.
hear, hear.
especially when you take into account Alexander's comments about not wanting Perez "breathing all in my food" as i have said in another thread, at the time Alexander said this, you could clearly see it was Nadia who was cooking and in fact leaning over the pot of food to stir it, Perez was the other side of the counter talking to Nadia. Alexander saying he doesn't want the "ass-faggot" breathing on his food suggests he's worried he might catch something from Perez in particular, after all Nadia was closer and he wasn't bothered about her "breathing all in my food" was he?

eta bbcrzy just reminded me about Alexander's comment about not wanting to catch Perez's "bird flu or something"
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Old 03-02-2015, 14:31
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If anyone else had said that he would have gone into meltdown!
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Old 03-02-2015, 14:33
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If anyone else had said that he would have gone into meltdown!
read my post above yours no one went into "meltdown" after Alexander's comments.
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Old 03-02-2015, 14:34
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If anyone else had said that he would have gone into meltdown!
Spot on.

I am fed up with the constant excuses for his shocking behaviour.
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Old 03-02-2015, 17:57
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Me me me. He is just the worst
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Old 03-02-2015, 18:05
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Of his own making, no one else.
Precisely the same argument that was used in the 1980s to ostracize people with AIDS.
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