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Old 03-02-2015, 08:52
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Was the letter not from his girlfriend and Cami Li had a letter from her boyfriend .
She had said in her interview that her and Callum had a code.
Maybe that letter meant more to Callum than we thought.
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Old 03-02-2015, 08:55
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I missed the end, was it signed love from google.
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Old 03-02-2015, 09:11
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Basically she was telling Calum by keeping his cool and taking everything that's thrown at him, he is showing he's a man.
Perhaps the deeper message of the poem to Callum is "dont fight battles you are not meant to be in"

Kipling's only son John failed the medical for the Army due to bad eyesight but Kipling used his connections to get him into the Irish Guards. John died at the Battle of Loos in the First World War age 18. He shouldn't have been there.
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Old 03-02-2015, 09:28
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A beautiful poem & very apt to his situation She was sending him a message.

I doubt if it was the first time his mother had quoted it to him - this poem may well have a history between them.

Interesting to see which HM's understood the significance of the words.

Perez certainly did !! Unfortunately, Calum went running to KH telling tales - which defeated the purpose of his mother sending it
You were doing so well with those first few statements then you come up with that last bit of nonsense - Perez twisted the poem to suit his own agenda - how low can you go Oh wait I forgot about the Aids comment!
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Old 03-02-2015, 09:49
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Dude had talent. Poetry AND cakes. I'm impressed
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Old 03-02-2015, 10:12
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I thought it was beautiful and spoke far louder than any well worn cliches.
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Old 03-02-2015, 10:13
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'If...' by Kipling.

I'm amazed so many of them thought it had genuinely been written by his mum.
That was soooo funny!! Perez going, 'Your Mom's so talented and poetic'. Missed opportunity for Hopkins in not reciting most of it as it was read aloud--esp the final lines. Hilarious! Then idiot Perez going 'It's a coded message', like Kipling psychically knew someday CBB would exist.
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Old 03-02-2015, 10:21
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Old 03-02-2015, 10:25
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I didn't hear the letters. Was Cami's the nutritional advice on the back of a Cornflakes box?
Cami's featured her dog [awww!] plus how her nieces call her 'Titi'--she forgot to explain 'Tia' means 'aunt' in Spanish so 'TiTi' is like 'auntie' so even BOTS concluded it referred to her always-exposed breasts!
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Old 03-02-2015, 10:27
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She might as well have just wrote:-

"Can't be arsed, dude you're not going to win. From Mum"
Very harsh, that--I'm sure she'd have signed off 'Love, Mum'.
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Old 03-02-2015, 10:29
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Goodbye Cami Li
Though we never knew you at all
Till you said to Emma
Should I slit this motherf****r's throat?
Cami Li was truly The People's Princess...if only we'd realised it in time. I feel an outpouring of impersonal grief now she's been taken from us too soon.
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Old 03-02-2015, 10:34
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I have different poems and passages that I share with the people I love. There are several with the children that in that situation would convey anything and everything that I would want to say to them that was personal. I thought it was a lovely thing for her to do, I'm sure it had some special meaning between them.

Well done Calum's Mum! xxx
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Old 03-02-2015, 10:55
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As Cami Li said "it's effin like Shakespeare."
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Old 03-02-2015, 10:58
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it's a beautiful poem, but how it relates to Callum is obviously something only a mother would imagine.


(I'm sure some of them believed she'd written it)
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Old 03-02-2015, 10:59
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You were doing so well with those first few statements then you come up with that last bit of nonsense - Perez twisted the poem to suit his own agenda - how low can you go Oh wait I forgot about the Aids comment!

It wasn't nonsense - just my opinion of the scenario

I was not discussing whether Perez was right/wrong to twist his personal interpretation of the poem into his particular agenda - but, instead.... the fact he understood that it did have a meaning - which seemed to pass by several of his HM's

Calum, then, went rushing to KH, tittle-tattling
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Old 03-02-2015, 11:00
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Was the letter not from his girlfriend and Cami Li had a letter from her boyfriend .
She had said in her interview that her and Callum had a code.
Maybe that letter meant more to Callum than we thought.
Their code was talking about their "sister" and "brother"
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Old 03-02-2015, 11:09
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That was soooo funny!! Perez going, 'Your Mom's so talented and poetic'. Missed opportunity for Hopkins in not reciting most of it as it was read aloud--esp the final lines. Hilarious! Then idiot Perez going 'It's a coded message', like Kipling psychically knew someday CBB would exist.

so funny, which is why Perez made himself look a real fool, telling Callum it was a coded poem- he really thought Callum's mum has written that to tell him something in code and of course he couldn't wait to imply it was KH and MV - every opportunity he tries to stir that pot
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Old 03-02-2015, 11:12
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Their code was talking about their "sister" and "brother"
Thanks

I misunderstood .
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Old 03-02-2015, 11:14
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so funny, which is why Perez made himself look a real fool, telling Callum it was a coded poem- he really thought Callum's mum has written that to tell him something in code and of course he couldn't wait to imply it was KH and MV - every opportunity he tries to stir that pot
Shame Perez is so Ignorant--he claims to be a College Graduate, too! His Acting classes were a total waste except he could work in Panto or chilll-drennnn-sss showssss be-cause he speakssss so slowly and dee-libb-errr-at-e-ly as if we're all thick, kids, or don't speak English. Maybe a nasty Sesame Street format??
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Old 03-02-2015, 11:34
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They would probably have thought it was a Disney poem then.
Of course, it could have been much much worse...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J94-_w9ARX0
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Old 03-02-2015, 11:47
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Old 03-02-2015, 12:32
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It wasn't nonsense - just my opinion of the scenario

I was not discussing whether Perez was right/wrong to twist his personal interpretation of the poem into his particular agenda - but, instead.... the fact he understood that it did have a meaning - which seemed to pass by several of his HM's

Calum, then, went rushing to KH, tittle-tattling
Not having a dig at you but why does everyone on here quote the mantra "just my opinion" as if somehow that's a defense - everything on here is just opinion

As I read your post it seemed to infer to me that Perez interpretation of the poem was correct - I may be wrong but that's how it came across to me. Everyone understood it had meaning poems do and everyone takes something different from them. But he was the one who made it an attack on the people he didn't like by pulling a single phrase from it. That's what I don't like.

And yes I dislike Perez but if KH or Michelle or Keith had done that my view would be the same.
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Old 03-02-2015, 12:40
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I thought it was beautiful and spoke far louder than any well worn cliches.
It's practically a cliche now itself, unfortunately, like Invictus (but better).
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Old 03-02-2015, 12:51
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That was soooo funny!! Perez going, 'Your Mom's so talented and poetic'. Missed opportunity for Hopkins in not reciting most of it as it was read aloud--esp the final lines. Hilarious! Then idiot Perez going 'It's a coded message', like Kipling psychically knew someday CBB would exist.
I've just watched it, think Perez said 'your mum's like a poet'.

Hopkins said 'It's a poem, I think it's by Kipling' so doubt very much she could recite it!

Shame Perez is so Ignorant--he claims to be a College Graduate, too! His Acting classes were a total waste except he could work in Panto or chilll-drennnn-sss showssss be-cause he speakssss so slowly and dee-libb-errr-at-e-ly as if we're all thick, kids, or don't speak English. Maybe a nasty Sesame Street format??
'If' is a product of colonial Britain, there's no reason why any American outside of those who studied (British) English literature would even have heard of it unless they were poetry buffs or came across it for some other reason.
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Old 03-02-2015, 13:01
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"If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools"


Very apt for this series.
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